calfoxwc Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 I don't mind processing fees if they are legit. The idea that they can be raised high to make money off it, for other reasons, or to price the registration/licenses fees so high as to make them unpayable... is the slippery slope that liberals in gov will happily slide down as far as our 2nd Amendment goes, and maybe SUV's and pickup trucks.... and racists could use that slippery slope to exclude the poor from voting, etc. It's using economics as a weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 The best part of voter ID is somehow the 90 year old woman at the polls will be able to spot a fake. If people want to commit fraud they'll find a way to do it. Based on national voting statistics there is more of a problem with people not participating than there is with the people that do. Not a very good argument sir. Tax cheats child molesters crack pushers and rapists will find a way to do it. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be against the law does it? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Not a very good argument sir. Tax cheats child molesters crack pushers and rapists will find a way to do it. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be against the law does it? WSS Steve going full on Cal, nice. Good analogy between voter fraud and child molestation. The question is to what lengths should the federal government go to try to eliminate voter fraud. IMO, none. Of the issues that need to be solved concerning the election of candidates it doesn't rank in my top 5, campaign finance, term limits, participation, electoral college vs popular vote & gerrymandering because I'll save you from asking. Illegals electing Democrats is another tin foil hat theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Steve going full on Cal, nice. Good analogy between voter fraud and child molestation. The question is to what lengths should the federal government go to try to eliminate voter fraud. IMO, none. Of the issues that need to be solved concerning the election of candidates it doesn't rank in my top 5, campaign finance, term limits, participation, electoral college vs popular vote & gerrymandering because I'll save you from asking. Illegals electing Democrats is another tin foil hat theory. Oh please. Okay if you're so offended by the comparison you pick any of the hundreds of things that require identification, and tell me why we should eliminate them. Because, you know, people are going to cheat anyway. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Oh please. Okay if you're so offended by the comparison you pick any of the hundreds of things that require identification, and tell me why we should eliminate them. Because, you know, people are going to cheat anyway. WSS You aren't talking about eliminating something that already exists you are talking about adding a requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 You aren't talking about eliminating something that already exists you are talking about adding a requirement. So? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 So? WSS Obviously you feel this is an important issue, I don't rank it very high. I also don't think it will be effectively enforced or solve an enormous problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Obviously you feel this is an important issue, I don't rank it very high. I also don't think it will be effectively enforced or solve an enormous problem. Obviously I don't. I don't think there's much of a problem I don't think this will be much of a solution. I think it's a strawman for politicians on both sides but especially your side, Democrats, who are hyperventilating over it. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Obviously I don't. I don't think there's much of a problem I don't think this will be much of a solution. I think it's a strawman for politicians on both sides but especially your side, Democrats, who are hyperventilating over it. WSS You likened the stance of saying voter fraud isn't a big issue to letting child molesters run free. Not sure if you are just trying to counter everything I say but you may want to read the thread again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 You likened the stance of saying voter fraud isn't a big issue to letting child molesters run free. Not sure if you are just trying to counter everything I say but you may want to read the thread again. A little bit of bombast which you misinterpreted anyway, relax. If it makes you feel better why erect stop signs because some people are going to run them anyway. Why have the speed limit of 35 when somebody is going to go 38.Why require identification for any of the dozens of things it's required for now? If in fact voting is so special and sacred and important. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 A little bit of bombast which you misinterpreted anyway, relax. If it makes you feel better why erect stop signs because some people are going to run them anyway. Why have the speed limit of 35 when somebody is going to go 38. Why require identification for any of the dozens of things it's required for now? If in fact voting is so special and sacred and important. WSS Not worked up at all but I don't think you are grasping my position. Based on voter turnout I'd say voting isn't sacred. Looking at the few swing states I'd argue in the majority of states a persons vote doesn't matter depending on your party affiliation. Photo identification is not a federal voting law, sorry. If we've solved the larger issues our democratic process faces, I'd support a free voter ID requirement. I think we typically have fruitful discussion but lately it seemed like you've been Calified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Not worked up at all but I don't think you are grasping my position. Based on voter turnout I'd say voting isn't sacred. Looking at the few swing states I'd argue in the majority of states a persons vote doesn't matter depending on your party affiliation. Photo identification is not a federal voting law, sorry. If we've solved the larger issues our democratic process faces, I'd support a free voter ID requirement. I think we typically have fruitful discussion but lately it seemed like you've been Calified Well I'm sure you meant that as an insult and that's your right. But please if everything else about the political system was fixed you would then Support voter ID? Why would that be if its a bad thing now? And remember what I said it's a straw man now for both sides, follow the money, or the votes or whatever. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Well I'm sure you meant that as an insult and that's your right. But please if everything else about the political system was fixed you would then Support voter ID? Why would that be if its a bad thing now? And remember what I said it's a straw man now for both sides, follow the money, or the votes or whatever. WSS If everything was corrected in our political system I'd support voter ID. It is a costly endeavor but if would create less griping, I'm for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 If everything was corrected in our political system I'd support voter ID. It is a costly endeavor but if would create less griping, I'm for it. Come on pal, we both know that it would not. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Come on pal, we both know that it would not. WSS Of course it is. Let's say the easiest way is to add an endorsement to the States' driver license or non-driver ID cards. The cost of producing documents will be in the hundreds of millions. You'd have to shorten driver license renewal periods and require those people to go into local DMV offices more often to update their photo. That increases the amount of workers needed at the local level and would increase state/local tax burden http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/State-picks-high-bid-for-driver-s-licenses-4035353.php Then there is hiring/training competent poll workers since an ID card isn't effective if there is no verification. You would have to staff local Board of Election offices with the equipment to spot a forged document whereas now you have volunteers from the community that earn a daily wage. You'd have toAbsentee ballots would have to be notarized, which incurs an individual cost. You'd also have to create a mechanism for quickly resolving disputes, so if I hand the inspector a driver license that shows me with hair and glass, however, I'm now bald with contacts. It would cost more than you think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 So your main concern is just that it would be too expensive? I actually don't know, but what do people use now for identification to get food stamps or registrations or bullets or welfare or subsidized housing or bus rides or just about anything else? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 So your main concern is just that it would be too expensive? I actually don't know, but what do people use now for identification to get food stamps or registrations or bullets or welfare or subsidized housing or bus rides or just about anything else? WSS No simply a cost benefit analysis. What do we gain for what we have to spend. With the exceptions of few programs, food stamps being one, the cost for the registration is passed to the consumer. I don't think that any party will support a "pay to play" voting system. And before we go back down the rabbit hole of "fuck it, we don't need any laws then". It is not about the theory of illegals voting being ok, just simply there are so many more serious arenas where we turn a blind eye that I don't see this as a priority at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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