DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 Was it the one where I said "I'll play" in reply to your "real American" criteria for Commies and Neo-Nazi's? Yeah I think so. And as I recall I agreed with you. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Trump has been into lots of fights but this one was a broadside from out of the blue by the pope against Trump. Trump actually had a good response I thought (at least he didn't call the pope a liar). I actually that might not be entirely true. Trump made a comment earlier in the week when asked about the pope visitng the border. Said he was clueless blah blah. I don't think he's wrong, i think the pope is wrong on this one. But technically Trump may have fired the first shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 What's bothersome, is that this pope is a socialist, a globalist, and "Judge not lest ye be judged".... this means, to put it far too simply... "Do not judge other's salvation/Christianity, for you also will have your salvation/Christianity judged by God" That's how I been a'learned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 What's bothersome, is that this pope is a socialist, a globalist, and "Judge not lest ye be judged".... this means, to put it far too simply... "Do not judge other's salvation/Christianity, for you also will have your salvation/Christianity judged by God" That's how I been a'learned it. I like this idea that the pope is the leader of catholics, the voice of god on earth...unless you happen to disagree with his views, then he's a worthless pope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 I like this idea that the pope is the leader of catholics, the voice of god on earth...unless you happen to disagree with his views, then he's a worthless pope. Funny how that works. Now all of a sudden the hardcore pro abortion, Pro fornication, Multi divorced gang are in love with the Pope. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Funny how that works. Now all of a sudden the hardcore pro abortion, Pro fornication, Multi divorced gang are in love with the Pope. WSS This pope never talks about abortion and instead focuses on global warming, slams evil greedy America at every turn while cozying up to communist dictators, tells gun owners and those who want to build a wall and take control of their borders they are not Christians, and pretty much is preaching all the left wing talking points of today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 The Pope is just the original mega church pastor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Let's drink from gold goblets in our own city state and talk to everyone about how they need to take better care of the poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 I was born and raised a catholic. Baptized, first communion, etc. However I haven't been to church in decades. I can't follow a religion that has a guy walking around in silk robes, living in luxury, surrounded by guards and staff tell me how to live. I'm taking some graduate level courses on the old testament now and have learned a lot more from them then I ever learned in Catholic school. After I'm done with the Old Testament, I will move onto the New Testament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 I was born and raised a catholic. Baptized, first communion, etc. However I haven't been to church in decades. I can't follow a religion that has a guy walking around in silk robes, living in luxury, surrounded by guards and staff tell me how to live. I'm taking some graduate level courses on the old testament now and have learned a lot more from them then I ever learned in Catholic school. After I'm done with the Old Testament, I will move onto the New Testament. Although my parents never went to church they considered themselves strong catholics and I did get baptized and had first communion in the church. For me when I decided to get serious about my faith was when I was in my 20's and decided to take CCD classes to learn all about the catholic faith. I didn't mean to do it but I found myself disagreeing and arguing with the priest who was teaching the classes on a number of catholic teachings and the answer would always be "we are the church who has been around for 2,000 years and all the other churches are only a few hundred years old". I would say the bible says *this* and he would say the church teaches *that*. So I left the church and now many years later I found that about every church has some part of a doctrine or creed that I can't be on board with 100 percent. The church I go to now I am on board with about 95 percent of the teachings which probably is as good as it gets. I just made the decision years ago to follow what I believe the bible is saying and take that over what any church teaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Funny how that works. Now all of a sudden the hardcore pro abortion, Pro fornication, Multi divorced gang are in love with the Pope. WSS The 'old world' attitudes to marriage, love, sex etc were turning off a lot of young people from within the church, and now new pope is saying 'let's not get too bothered about who has what genitals and where they put them' people are engaging with the more relevant parts of the religion. Also, who's not pro-fornication? It's fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 So you only believe in rules, if they fit your agenda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 The 'old world' attitudes to marriage, love, sex etc were turning off a lot of young people from within the church, and now new pope is saying 'let's not get too bothered about who has what genitals and where they put them' people are engaging with the more relevant parts of the religion. Also, who's not pro-fornication? It's fun! I haven't read that the new pope is a free love kind of guy. If so or if not it has no bearing on whether I'm joining the Catholic Church. If any organization based on principles waters down those principles in order to attract members then what's the use? I do understand his take on refugees and the super poor people around the world. Here in the US, as you may have seen, my opinion is like Mel Brooks in the history of the world. Fuck the poor. But there really are actual poor people around the planet that don't have free air-conditioned lodging cable TV cell phones transportation and access to the finest Hospital in the world. And that has nothing to do with refugees or their politics. There are lots of destitute human beings out there. If the Pope believes in a borderless planet good for him. Charity begins at home. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 I haven't read that the new pope is a free love kind of guy. If so or if not it has no bearing on whether I'm joining the Catholic Church. If any organization based on principles waters down those principles in order to attract members then what's the use? He's basically said "sure, the church says don't be gay, and stuff like that, but that's very far from being the biggest issue facing the world" - that kind of gist. I do understand his take on refugees and the super poor people around the world. Here in the US, as you may have seen, my opinion is like Mel Brooks in the history of the world. Fuck the poor. But there really are actual poor people around the planet that don't have free air-conditioned lodging cable TV cell phones transportation and access to the finest Hospital in the world. And that has nothing to do with refugees or their politics. There are lots of destitute human beings out there. If the Pope believes in a borderless planet good for him. Charity begins at home. WSS Yeah, he's been less of a hoarder than previous popes. To that end: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-01/pope-orders-audit-of-church-s-wealth-as-whistleblowers-pursued Pope Francis, galvanized by a scandal over Vatican finances, has ordered the most powerful bodies in the city-state to launch an unprecedented audit of its wealth and crack down on runaway spending. Francis has told the panel “to address the financial challenges and identify how more resources can be devoted to the many good works of the Church, especially supporting the poor and vulnerable,” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 The pope seems to save his harshest criticism for this country and I would just point out if things are so bad then why are so many people wanting to come here? I think the pope is sincere but sincerely wrong about socialism. Capitalism with it's faults produces the highest standard of living for it's people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 To my mind, he's doing what the pope should be doing. I'm sure we're not going to turn the world in to a theocracy, but that's not what the world needs from the pope. The world needs to be reminded that the world is bigger than the four walls at home, or whatever walls you have around your country, that there are genuinely poor people, as you said, suffering through poverty, drought, famine, disease and through no fault of their own, while we in the developed world throw away a banana if it has a brown spot on it. There are things I disagree with him for sure, like his condemnation of condoms, for example, which would be massively beneficial in stopping the spread of AIDS/HIV in africa, but the devout christians they are they listen to the pope, so no condoms, and endless babies and aids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 I like this idea that the pope is the leader of catholics, the voice of god on earth...unless you happen to disagree with his views, then he's a worthless pope. Just like how the president is an unamerican POS if you disagree with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/02/18/reports-chicago-court-hear-case-knock-cruz-off-white-house-ballot/80586608/ I'm guessing it gets tossed out or passed on to some court with more clout, but you never know, it might get interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 . Capitalism with it's faults produces the highest standard of living for it's people. This is true, but it has to be safeguarded. You let capitalism run away with itself and it crumbles a society sure as my hairy ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Interesting logic being used as well - basically, he's saying that if Cruz wins the nom, the dems will just try this anyway (unlikely but I guess you never know) and they'd give it a go somewhere more likely to rule against Cruz, so better to do it in Illinois (apparently)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 This is true, but it has to be safeguarded. You let capitalism run away with itself and it crumbles a society sure as my hairy ass. Yeah I have come to see that. For example I want people to be able to create and grow businesses but I don't want to see them get wealthy moving businesses out of the country. I want our country and our people to benefit from the economic ripple effect new businesses create. I don't want to see our companies leave the country so they can make more profit moving out of the country and pay employees a few dollars an hour, no health care, no retirement and not having to deal with our environmental standards. That puts American workers at an unfair disadvantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 To my mind, he's doing what the pope should be doing. I'm sure we're not going to turn the world in to a theocracy, but that's not what the world needs from the pope. The world needs to be reminded that the world is bigger than the four walls at home, or whatever walls you have around your country, that there are genuinely poor people, as you said, suffering through poverty, drought, famine, disease and through no fault of their own, while we in the developed world throw away a banana if it has a brown spot on it. There are things I disagree with him for sure, like his condemnation of condoms, for example, which would be massively beneficial in stopping the spread of AIDS/HIV in africa, but the devout christians they are they listen to the pope, so no condoms, and endless babies and aids. Yes you're correct that's what a religious leader should be doing. And yet some guys want to physically attack Street Preachers for making them uncomfortable. I guess it depends on which side of the political aisle they preach. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Yes you're correct that's what a religious leader should be doing. And yet some guys want to physically attack Street Preachers for making them uncomfortable. I guess it depends on which side of the political aisle they preach. WSS Right, but the street preachers that people are displeased with are not saying the same thing though, are they? "people, we need to come together to help those in desperate need, regardless of politics or borders!" vs "slut! you're going to hell for having sex! hey faggot, you won't like it when it's a molten poker instead of a cock in your ass!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Right, but the street preachers that people are displeased with are not saying the same thing though, are they? "people, we need to come together to help those in desperate need, regardless of politics or borders!" vs "slut! you're going to hell for having sex! hey faggot, you won't like it when it's a molten poker instead of a cock in your ass!" Hmm maybe I'm not frequenting the same street corners as you and Cleve but none of the evangelists I've come across lately have been quite that harsh. But you do have a point. Would you still think it was alright to beat up a street preacher if he was yelling at you about income inequality? I mean I'm assuming you make a pretty good living, many times higher then people in third world? If the preacher were screaming at you for not giving more away is it different that embarrassing you about having random sex? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Hmm maybe I'm not frequenting the same street corners as you and Cleve but none of the evangelists I've come across lately have been quite that harsh. But you do have a point. Would you still think it was alright to beat up a street preacher if he was yelling at you about income inequality? I mean I'm assuming you make a pretty good living, many times higher then people in third world? If the preacher were screaming at you for not giving more away is it different that embarrassing you about having random sex? WSS We've seen plenty of examples of that kind of street preacher - usually in an article from the blaze, complaining about free speech when people start giving the shit - and those are the ones that bring scorn upon themselves. As for me, I earn a decent wage, yes, and I'm comfortable with my charitable contributions. If someone were to start yelling at me about it, in the name of some religion or other, I'd probably take it upon myself to actually have a conversation with them. Either way, isn't it more telling we're not seeing videos of preachers yelling about income inequality showing up on the blaze or wherever? Are there no such preachers? Or do people generally agree and don't give them shit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Just saying that none of the evangelists I talk to, and there are a few, give me crap as depicted. Usually they just want me to sign up. Not financially but to read and believe and interpret the Bible in the fashion they believe is true. As for the fornication part the good Lord has blessed me with old age and extra weight which makes it easier to be celibate. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Just saying that none of the evangelists I talk to, and there are a few, give me crap as depicted. Usually they just want me to sign up. Not financially but to read and believe and interpret the Bible in the fashion they believe is true. As for the fornication park the good Lord has blessed me with old age and extra weight which makes it easier to be celibate. WSS Absolutely, most preachers here just sort of hang around trying to distribute fliers and leaflets. Occasionally you'll get some proclaiming the end times, repent now etc. but they're mostly ignored. Either way, they're not the ones that get people's blood boiling, and end up with that good old 'freedom of speech versus being a dick' debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Reminds me - you should definitely check out the tv series I posted about deutschland 83. Though, actually maybe not if it's subtitled :S sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Reminds me - you should definitely check out the tv series I posted about deutschland 83. Though, actually maybe not if it's subtitled :S sorry. Yeah. No problem. Sometimes I stand by the big screen and pause every few seconds I can read the subtitles but often the screen menu covers it up. Tried to watch the Lillehammer series, not happening. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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