jbluhm86 Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 I just started following this story a few days ago, and I was wanting to get everyone's view on it. Brief rundown of the developing Apple vs F.B.I. battle and it's potential national security/due process freedom implications: http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-versus-the-fbi-why-the-lowest-priced-iphone-has-the-us-in-a-tizzy-faq/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted February 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 Open letter from Apple CEO Tim Cook, on Apple's position: http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/ Response from FBI Director James Comey, on FBI's position: https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-director-comments-on-san-bernardino-matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 This will ultimately be decided by the judicial system. I think we will always walk a fine line between privacy and security. I think we should always err on the side of privacy. Slowly but surely we seem to be losing what it means to be American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Hey the NSA hates Linux because of privacy so that's a good enough reason for me to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 I know it's not apple and it's not about this case but this is why I don't trust the government and I side with Apple in this case, despite not being an apple user. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/03/nsa_xkeyscore_stasi_scandal/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 20 million government employees had their information stolen by the Chinese in the Office of Personnel Management leaks, myself included. If they can't keep that data safe why the fuck would I trust them with a backdoor to everyone's phones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 20 million government employees had their information stolen by the Chinese in the Office of Personnel Management leaks, myself included. If they can't keep that data safe why the fuck would I trust them with a backdoor to everyone's phones? I'm in that club also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 I keep wondering why Apple can't just break into THIS ONE PHONE, USED BY DEAD TERRORISTS. and do it quietly. Then put it up under physical lock and key somewhere, out of the gov's reach. Apple has now made it a public selling point, hahaha. Except the victims of those terrorists are not laughing. Just quietly investigate this ONE DAMN PHONE, and do not give the key to getting the data to the gov. Look, let's say Apple's security on phones runs something like this: A randomly generated key... that goes into encryption mode, and it encrypted by a secret set of 1-26 scrambled alphabet key sets, also chosen randomly. Make it a thousand ? different combinations, whatever that it, I forget the algorithm to determine that. Then scramble that encrypted key by 1000 sets of alphanumeric randomly chosen 1-52 sets of letters and numbers. The result is a superduper secret key. The source code itself is compiled. Eventually, someday, it could be figured out with a superrcomputer? how to decompile the program, isolate the variables containing the different randomly generated values, and undo the security. Apple already knows how it set the security up, and how the secret logic in the programming reads. Then,the gov STILL WON'T HAVE ANY IDEA HOW TO DO WHAT APPLE DID. The gov will eventually start off on a program to crack the Apple security on it's own, since Apple won't help them on this ONE PHONE, USED BY DEAD TERRORISTS. Apple's public battle to refuse to get into ONE DEAD TERRORIST's PHONE, will be the undoing of all those American's privacy. Idiots. I don't get it. The gov won't care if they go through seven thousand apple phones to figure out how to get into them..... I don't see the problem. Apple keeps secrets, the gov keeps secrets, yet this asinine battle is being made in public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 I'm in that club also. I got fucked on that deal as well. Did they send you the letter offering identity theft protection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Again I don't care. Amazon.com and Facebook probably know more about us then the NSA. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 I got fucked on that deal as well. Did they send you the letter offering identity theft protection? I have two different theft protections. One from CSID and ID Experts. It says they got my fingerprints also. It says "Federal experts believe the ability to misuse fingerprint data is currently limited. However, this could change over time as technology evolves." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 "Of course no one can prevent all identity theft..." WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 I side with Apple. Slippery slope to allow the government through special encryption back doors. Hey the NSA hates Linux because of privacy so that's a good enough reason for me to use it. The NSA asked Torvalds to do the same thing they want apple to do - add a super secret back door that only the government can get through. Torvalds said "no" of course, but it doesn't work as well with Linux being licensed under the GPL and completely open source. If they added a super secret back door literally everybody would be able to see how it works. SELinux has been largely backed by the NSA, but for other reasons. Linux is secure by design (userspace is loosely coupled to the kernel space, open source) - the NSA doesn't like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 No they sure don't. I side with Apple 100% on this. I mean, I have literally nothing to hide and I still surf on a VPN with Webrtc disabled even on Linux because Fuck the Government. We can't trust them, nor should we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 You're right. It's a lot easier to spy on people when they can't see your source code and reverse engineer it. Can you imagine, being able to apply their same methods to spy on them? Who watches the watchmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 You're right. It's a lot easier to spy on people when they can't see your source code and reverse engineer it. Can you imagine, being able to apply their same methods to spy on them? Who watches the watchmen http://satwcomic.com/i-spy-with-my-little-eye The big story around here these days is that America have been spying on civilians in European countries without informing the government. It all started when Norway found out about it, and then other countries started looking into it and found that Americans had indeed been spying on civilians in their country. But there was one thing America didn’t count on: A nation just as terror-paranoid as them. Denmark to be exact. There the government found out about the spying and sent out Danish agents to spy on the American agents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 http://satwcomic.com/i-spy-with-my-little-eye I have no problem with doing intelligence on European countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 I have no problem with doing intelligence on European countries. Go for it. Was more just about the comedy value of it - denmark is spying on the US... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted February 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Go for it. Was more just about the comedy value of it - denmark is spying on the US... I think any country that has a halfway decent intelligence agency is using it to spy on other countries, regardless of whether they are friend or foe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 https://medium.com/@jamesallworth/the-u-s-has-gone-f-ing-mad-52e525f76447#.k0qz8fpb9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Side with Apple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 I side with Apple. Slippery slope to allow the government through special encryption back doors. The NSA asked Torvalds to do the same thing they want apple to do - add a super secret back door that only the government can get through. Torvalds said "no" of course, but it doesn't work as well with Linux being licensed under the GPL and completely open source. If they added a super secret back door literally everybody would be able to see how it works. SELinux has been largely backed by the NSA, but for other reasons. Linux is secure by design (userspace is loosely coupled to the kernel space, open source) - the NSA doesn't like that. Torvalds denies that and says it was a joke that was misinterpreted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Torvalds denies that and says it was a joke that was misinterpreted You need a little more tin foil hat. It's probably been tried, but fails for the obvious reasons of open source and principle. A couple sneaky things have slipped through the cracks before (like setting UID=0, which is the uid of root). Most code that gets into mainstream linux is reviewed, criticized by 5, 10, 15 people. CC'd to everybody's relevant email, then merged in by Linus after all that and is always available for the world to see - so it can't happen with Linux like it can with Windows. My last job I had a boss who always used to rip on open source software. I told him we need to dispel with this fiction once and for all that open source software is less secure, open source software is more secure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 I'm a FOSS guy but I don't mind using some proprietary software if it's useful to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 So these pricks at the FBI hacked it without Apple's help. What a surprise, trying to get some proprietary software they didn't even need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 So these pricks at the FBI hacked it without Apple's help. What a surprise, trying to get some proprietary software they didn't even need. Maybe they did get Apple's help but they got it on the DL to avoid the bad publicity. Apparently they got help from an "unidentified third party" - maybe somebody with connections to Apple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 I don't think apple had to do with it after all that. Maybe they took john McAfee up on his offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 The gov will eventually start off on a program to crack the Apple security on it's own, since Apple won't help them on this ONE PHONE, USED BY DEAD TERRORIST ***************************************************** I hope they can still stop an impending attack before it's too late. Seems that Apple's pseudo-principle backfired, like I was talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 The gov will eventually start off on a program to crack the Apple security on it's own, since Apple won't help them on this ONE PHONE, USED BY DEAD TERRORIST ***************************************************** I hope they can still stop an impending attack before it's too late. Seems that Apple's pseudo-principle backfired, like I was talking about. Not at all. Apple stuck to their guns. The feds were always going to crack that phone, it was just a matter of time. Nobody's blood will be on Apple's hands and as we all know, any tool like that even used correctly always finds its way into the wrong hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 Apple should still be prosecuted for hindering a terror investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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