calfoxwc Posted March 7, 2016 Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 RECORD 61 MILLION IMMIGRANTS IN USA...Automatic voter registration takes hold on West Coast... Border ranchers outraged by lack of security...'Everyone scared'...POLL: 61% believe immigration jeopardizes USA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Even worse than big, serious trouble!?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Even worse than big, serious trouble!?!?!? Big serious trouble 2: bigger, seriouser trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Cal isms aside do you really feel like this isn't a huge problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 That there are immigrants, or some are illegal? Or that people are scared of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 ah, but if we had a rep president, we'd have liberals flocking here to be terrified at the big serious trouble with illegal immigration. Â I criticized Bush for not shutting down the border while he was pres. Â Liberals just flippity-flippity on issues, depending on political expediency... Â like dragonflies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 I think we are in big serious trouble or as Trump would say *bigly* trouble. Trump if elected could potentially be a very good president. I think he would secure the southern border finally and probably negotiate better trade deals. I have some real issues with his temperament. His rants on twitter and childish insults are not the marks of wisdom from a 60 plus year old man and more like a jr, high schooler. Tarrifs sound good but could it start off a trade war? Other countries could retaliate back with tarrifs of their own against the U.S. What is going on right now should have some significance to us Browns fans. We think one man (QB) is going to come in and turn the whole thing around but it never works that way. Some people (well Trump's own son's have said it) that everything Trump touches turns to gold. He has the Midas touch. His past bankruptcies, Trump Casinos, Trump Steaks, Trump Airlines, Trump vodka, Trump Go.com, Trump University and a host of other failed ventures says otherwise and he has had many investors lose money over his dealings. Â The nation is in trouble and in 08 ran to the Obama pied piper of hope and change which never panned out. Now they flock to Trump to make America great again. It's possible Trump could pull it off. Reagan came into office on his promises which I doubted at the time as I saw him more as a hollywood actor but he did deliver on his promises. I'm not a Trump supporter but I would vote for him this fall if the only choice between him and Clinton or Sanders. Then I will hope he does succeed because if he can deliver on his promises we will all be better off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 I want Trump. It would be an excitingly different 4-8 years. Much better then a Hillary Presidency which would be boring beyond imagination. Seeing her ugly face and hearing her shouting shrill voice would drive people over the edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 The cartels have major trafficking routes all across the border - from Brownsville to Tijuana. Â I think the drug/human trafficking is the biggest problem - securing the border would be more effective than the war on drugs has been in 30 years (also much cheaper) Â There's other problems - like we can't vet people who come over illegally, can't test for diseases. Millions of terrorists who wanna destroy the USA may find the southern border the easiest route in. Â I'm all for a happy world with open borders, but the world isn't a happy place. Â --- Â As far as Trump, 0.2% of his businesses have failed - and countries like China have tariffs on our imports, they don't trade fairly - they take advantage. You can't sell to China easily, but we happily let them flood our markets. Europe is also looking to put tariffs on some Chinese imports. Â The trade war argument is like - big bubba has me bent over against my will but if I try to fight it he might hit me back so I'll just lay here and keep taking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 ah, but if we had a rep president, we'd have liberals flocking here to be terrified at the big serious trouble with illegal immigration. Â I criticized Bush for not shutting down the border while he was pres. Â Liberals just flippity-flippity on issues, depending on political expediency... Â like dragonflies. What liberals? Who are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Making some amount of drugs legal would probably help too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Making some amount of drugs legal would probably help too Probably not those that are coming from south and central america, I would imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 That there are immigrants, or some are illegal? Or that people are scared of them? That drug cartels that are known to hack people's heads off with tree saws for passively not supporting them can cross the border at will without ever being opposed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Could they not just go to Canada and come down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 I don't know. I dont live in Canada. You think they just let whoever cross the border no questions asked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Making some amount of drugs legal would probably help too Which ones? And why not the rest? Â WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 On paper Trump makes a lot of sense. He does. Unfortunately he's a raging cockhole that in the end would do vastly more harm than good. It's almost a travesty. Plus I feel like a lot of the shit he gets quoted on was specifically for the people he talked to that day. So I really have zero faith in the mans principles. I will not vote for unprincipled slob who mouth queefs all over the internet and in debates. If he had dialed down the asshole about 4 months ago he'd probably still easily win the rep nom and he'd already be leading in the gen. The race would essentially be over if he hadn't said such a vast trove of stupid shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Which ones? And why not the rest?  WSS I imagine the more you legalize, the less of an influence gangs and shit will have. But then you have to balance that out with very dangerous substances being legal  I am not sure where I draw the line. Weed? Obviously fine. Crack? Idk.  I'd like to think people can control themselves, but based on our obesity epidemic, that obviously isn't true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 On paper Trump makes a lot of sense. He does. Unfortunately he's a raging cockhole that in the end would do vastly more harm than good. It's almost a travesty. Plus I feel like a lot of the shit he gets quoted on was specifically for the people he talked to that day. So I really have zero faith in the mans principles. I will not vote for unprincipled slob who mouth queefs all over the internet and in debates. If he had dialed down the asshole about 4 months ago he'd probably still easily win the rep nom and he'd already be leading in the gen. The race would essentially be over if he hadn't said such a vast trove of stupid shit  "He's mean and I don't like the way he talks so he's dangerous"  I disagree - if he could accomplish 10% of what he talks about doing the country will be significantly better off.  He panders - especially to religious nuts, so what? Hillary panders, copies all of Bernie's positions, and even has begun to take Trump's talking points (related to Nabisco). Bernie says white people don't know what it's like to be poor (pandering?)   Hillary, Cruz, Rubio, and Kasich are incredibly dangerous people to elect as POTUS (especially Cruz). Donald Trump is not.  One of two who wants to repeal NAFTA, has a common sense foreign policy that doesn't continue endless proxy wars or a world war, secure the border, stop getting bent by china, secure border. The health care plan isn't bad either for a free market plan - bring in competition, allow individuals to deduct premiums. He's been talking about some of these things forever, especially the bad trade deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Â "He's mean and I don't like the way he talks so he's dangerous" Â I disagree - if he could accomplish 10% of what he talks about doing the country will be significantly better off. Â He panders - especially to religious nuts, so what? Hillary panders, copies all of Bernie's positions, and even has begun to take Trump's talking points (related to Nabisco). Bernie says white people don't know what it's like to be poor (pandering?) Â Â Hillary, Cruz, Rubio, and Kasich are incredibly dangerous people to elect as POTUS (especially Cruz). Donald Trump is not. Â One of two who wants to repeal NAFTA, has a common sense foreign policy that doesn't continue endless proxy wars or a world war, secure the border, stop getting bent by china, secure border. The health care plan isn't bad either for a free market plan - bring in competition, allow individuals to deduct premiums. He's been talking about some of these things forever, especially the bad trade deals. Â 1) It's not he's mean, it's that he's borderline retarted. <---deliberate misspelling to avoid Stockton autocorrect 2) He says he wants to do a lot of stuff. Again if he was a more serious individual I might take him at his word. A lot of people "want' to do things but can't because of the political climate in DC. Like Bernie, he wants to do a bunch of shit that won't fly...but at least he's authentic. I genuinely believe he has his own personal convictions. Trump I see as someone who says he wants to repeal NAFTA as he's talking infront of a bunch of workers that lost their jobs. But does he actually give a shit? Would he actually repeal NAFTA if he had some theoretical magic pen and could do it overnight. I think he would consult with his rich buddies first like Icahn and ask "if I do this could you guys potentially lose money?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Â 1) It's not he's mean, it's that he's borderline retarted. <---deliberate misspelling to avoid Stockton autocorrect 2) He says he wants to do a lot of stuff. Again if he was a more serious individual I might take him at his word. A lot of people "want' to do things but can't because of the political climate in DC. Like Bernie, he wants to do a bunch of shit that won't fly...but at least he's authentic. I genuinely believe he has his own personal convictions. Trump I see as someone who says he wants to repeal NAFTA as he's talking infront of a bunch of workers that lost their jobs. But does he actually give a shit? Would he actually repeal NAFTA if he had some theoretical magic pen and could do it overnight. I think he would consult with his rich buddies first like Icahn and ask "if I do this could you guys potentially lose money?". Â He's certainly not retar.ded, much of what he's doing now is in his book - word for word on how to get people to pay attention to you and manipulate the media. There's moments like this among others where you can find him being reasonable. He also has to compete with Ted Cruz - who is genuinely insane - for the tea baggers. That UN project is 3 years behind schedule and has almost cost them 3 billion, as predicted by Trump. Â He has been talking about the bad trade deals since forever, also - it's not a new talking point for him by any stretch of the imagination. His business is different from the traditional banker/lawyer/wall street people who tend to have more of a vested interest in continuing to exploit cheap labor and dodge the corporate tax rate. Â You had to be a little crazy to win the GOP nomination, but now that it's GE season he's already been shifting a bit more moderate (like he's been his whole life) and slightly more presidential. And you think about it - this guy has been in the spot light for 30+ years, big name and big deal - the worst they can find about him is a subcontractor he hired hired some polacks who overstayed their visa, and that on his hacked voicemail - people in the evil liberal media were thanking him for donations to various children's charities - IE "He's in tight with the liberal media! Grab your pitchforks!". Â Plus he's the only one not in the illuminati or skull and bones or whatever high-power secret group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 I can't shake the feeling that Cruz isn't 100% genuine either, and he's pandering to the religious right since he's the only one left. It might be authentic but I be surprised. Bernie Sanders has a bunch of crazy shit but I think he believes it and as soon as Hilary heres it she repeats it and I don't think she does believe it. Listen to what she has to say and you will realize she's the Donald Trump of the left. (even so he says what pops into his head and she hears something and repeats it) Â That doesn't mean I vote for Bernie just because he's honest however. Â WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Bernies's actually a good dude though and genuinely wants to be president for the sole purpose of bettering the avg persons life and not just pandering to the wealthy. He might be the first politician in my lifetime that i can unequivocably say I believe him. You can make that argument that in the long run his policies would do more harm than good, and maybe have fair points. I just feel Bernie has "real" principal whether he's misguided in certain areas or not. I do feel he's dead on the money right about alot of things though. But Trump i just feel wants to be president almost out of boredom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 - the worst they can find about him is a subcontractor he hired hired some polacks who overstayed their visa, and that on his hacked voicemail - p  uh that's not even close to the worst thing. In fact, if all we could draw on was just the past year....I can think of many things off the top of my head that he's said just in the past few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Â uh that's not even close to the worst thing. In fact, if all we could draw on was just the past year....I can think of many things off the top of my head that he's said just in the past few months. So you don't like what he says, I'm talking about his plans and what he's talked about and done for the last ~30 years. Â I'm anti establishment and anti TPP among other things, Trump fits the bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 So you don't like what he says, I'm talking about his plans and what he's talked about and done for the last ~30 years. Â I'm anti establishment and anti TPP among other things, Trump fits the bill You can have Goff or Trump, pick one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 You can have Goff or Trump, pick one After 10 Superbowl victories with the Browns, I'll vote for Goff to be POTUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 I'd like to see Wentz be drafted by the Browns, and be president in the offseason right now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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