miktoxic Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 and who are the people that were praising the firing of the last regime and are now befuddled with what's happening in the FO now? geez. and some thought we'd just magically jump to 10 and 6 with the hiring of an 8 and 8 head coach and some brainiac suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 OK all you Chicken Littles, note this: If the Browns could get one of the following OTs, the loss of The Schwartz could be mostly negated: Jeff Allen KC Byron Bell Tenn Donald Penn Oakland Jermon Bushrod Chicago Russell Okung Seattle Tyler Polumbus Denver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 and who are the people that were praising the firing of the last regime and are now befuddled with what's happening in the FO now? geez. and some thought we'd just magically jump to 10 and 6 with the hiring of an 8 and 8 head coach and some brainiac suits. No one thinks that. Adhering to the "build through the draft and maintain your core players" mantra is what some are upset about, Schwartz was a key young player. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 I agree with everything said on the ESPN podcast posted on the Browns page after Schwartz signed. They may have a "idea" about value, but the increase of the cap appears to have shocked/amazed them at the contract sizes signed on the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 No one thinks that. Adhering to the "build through the draft and maintain your core players" mantra is what some are upset about, Schwartz was a key young player. Thanks. Got true details from both sides on Schwartz Deal being pulled?? mind blowing minds are swelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Other than KC deal is a 5-yr job, not seeing details on $$$... yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Rumor is that the Browns may have pulled the offer to Schwartz because they have their eye on a different ROT that would actually be a better deal for them....analytics wise. (maybe one of the guys listed above?) So, e.g., they may feel they can get a guy just about as good as Schwartz for a couple of million or so per year less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Theirs been mingling since combine & few hours before the start, we pull out for some nickels & dimes on a guy like Schwartz that may want to stay here. Can't wait to hear this All Star Sushi Foooowwweeeeee!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Gipson to Jags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Rumor is that the Browns may have pulled the offer to Schwartz because they have their eye on a different ROT that would actually be a better deal for them....analytics wise. (maybe one of the guys listed above?) So, e.g., they may feel they can get a guy just about as good as Schwartz for a couple of million or so per year less. there are a number of them still out there....not like Schwartz was the only one....BUT, of the 3 players that left, Mitch is the one Im sorry to see go.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Gipson to Jags why of course.. just went to the hard liquor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runyon27 Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Rumor is that the Browns may have pulled the offer to Schwartz because they have their eye on a different ROT that would actually be a better deal for them....analytics wise. (maybe one of the guys listed above?) So, e.g., they may feel they can get a guy just about as good as Schwartz for a couple of million or so per year less. Why are we so concerned with saving a couple million dollars when we have like 40 million in cap space. What exactly are we saving this money for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Rumor is that the Browns may have pulled the offer to Schwartz because they have their eye on a different ROT that would actually be a better deal for them....analytics wise. (maybe one of the guys listed above?) So, e.g., they may feel they can get a guy just about as good as Schwartz for a couple of million or so per year less. Hence the comments from Berea about how important it was to keep our own. Sorry Gip, not buying that argument today. They fucked this up and no amount of repainting is going to change the crumbling underneath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 What exactly are we saving this money for? Blockbuster Day 2 signing frenzy??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 No one thinks that. Adhering to the "build through the draft and maintain your core players" mantra is what some are upset about, Schwartz was a key young player. Thanks. "maintain core players" uhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Blockbuster Day 2 signing frenzy??? Sign Sanu to $45 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 "maintain core players" uhhh I was saying people have been harping on that, and are upset because the Browns are shedding their core guys -- all young, except Mack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Gotta keep your 3-13 core guys for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Rumor is that the Browns may have pulled the offer to Schwartz because they have their eye on a different ROT that would actually be a better deal for them....analytics wise. Yeah - Ron Yary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Gotta keep your 3-13 core guys for sure. I like the sarcasm but the two highest paid players are a 31 year old LT and a concussion prone DB at $24 million. If "blowing this up" was truly what this is all about people better not get upset when Thomas gets moved for a 6th rounder on draft day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 I like the sarcasm but the two highest paid players are a 31 year old LT and a concussion prone DB at $24 million. If "blowing this up" was truly what this is all about people better not get upset when Thomas gets moved for a 6th rounder on draft day. Haden has one of the most inflated, bad contracts in the NFL. Hasn't been a top 5 corner (or even sniffed that territory) in 2 years since he signed it. If anyone needs to go, it's him next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Haden has one of the most inflated, bad contracts in the NFL. Hasn't been a top 5 corner (or even sniffed that territory) in 2 years since he signed it. If anyone needs to go, it's him next. Gotta think the guaranteed money makes him impossible to trade. Don't think the Browns will cut him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL Mitchell Schwartz Chiefs deal: $33 million, $15M gtd, $7M signing bonus, salaries $750K, $4.9M, $5.7M, $6M, $6M Mitchell Schwartz base salaries fully gtdin 2016, 2017; 2018 gtd for injury at signing, full gt if on roster third day 2018 league year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Make-Believe Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL Mitchell Schwartz Chiefs deal: $33 million, $15M gtd, $7M signing bonus, salaries $750K, $4.9M, $5.7M, $6M, $6M Mitchell Schwartz base salaries fully gtdin 2016, 2017; 2018 gtd for injury at signing, full gt if on roster third day 2018 league year Going by these numbers, it's entirely possible that the Browns' rumored offer was more lucrative than the one he eventually signed for. And even if it wasn't, am I the only one that would have been completely fine with these terms? I know, I know. I have to have patience. But if we're bringing in a rookie QB, we need to be able to protect him. And in my opinion, letting Schwartz go for a little over $6M/yr is... sloppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 No one thinks that. Adhering to the "build through the draft and maintain your core players" mantra is what some are upset about, Schwartz was a key young player. Thanks. Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL Mitchell Schwartz Chiefs deal: $33 million, $15M gtd, $7M signing bonus, salaries $750K, $4.9M, $5.7M, $6M, $6M Mitchell Schwartz base salaries fully gtdin 2016, 2017; 2018 gtd for injury at signing, full gt if on roster third day 2018 league year Now I'm pissed- I'd be 100% happy with those numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Now I'm pissed- I'd be 100% happy with those numbers. I'm just incredulous at the whole damn day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 I guess the difference was the guaranteed money. I hope the teams that our fa's go to lose plenty of games, especially to the Browns. We'll see how it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 And even if it wasn't, am I the only one that would have been completely fine with these terms? Nope... already posted that a 3-yr, $7.5mm average with 60% guaranteed was fine by me and if 5-yr, then $8mm and 50% was OK. Would have put Mitch solidly atop the RT pay scale... a position he earned. Plus when there is no injury history or work ethic concerns, you pay up front... a schedule which would also fit with a rookie QB deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 I'm just incredulous at the whole damn day. Sashi should have been chasing their cars and hoping they come back. "WITH YOUR HELP WE CAN GET TO 4-12!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 if players want to go to a winning team, they would go for $1 more...or less. It ain't over til we SAY it's over. https://youtu.be/V8lT1o0sDwI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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