VaporTrail Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 The part about him not liking women/muslims/mexicans/immigrants is actually quite important, since between them they make up well over half the population. He seems to be trying to govern for (or at least appeal to) white men, and actively seeking to alienate everyone who's not that. Yet he won the Hispanic vote in Nevada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Well then. Obama hates white people. Obama hates people who work for a living. Obama hates Christians. Are those all relevant? WSS If true, of course, and the same applies to trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 If true, of course, and the same applies to trump. If true? Is that the question? Do you think Donald Trump hates Muslims and women and Mexicans? Yes or no? If you don't believe that it's no more of an issue than asking if Obama does. Except that you like Obama and you don't like Trump. So no I don't think those are valid campaign points on either side. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-boasts-success-women/story?id=37661711 I'd say, for the most part, people aren't buying that narrative. Trump has won the biggest percentage of women's votes in 11 states, according to ABC News' exit polling data in the 15 state Republican primaries and caucuses so far this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dste Ace Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Oh just a few. He hates women, he hates Mexicans, he hates immigrants, he hates Muslims. Some of the business propositions he's been involved with have failed. He isn't nearly as mealy-mouthed as the opposition thinks a politician should be. Meaning that often his remarks lack the political correctness the opposition seems to love. One of his supporters punched a protester who was screaming obscenities and flipping the bird. He's a nationwide celebrity. He has funny hair. His name is Trump. Can you think of better ones? Which are yours besides that you just don't like the guy personally? WSS Disclaimer: not a Trump supporter. However: Honestly, I don't think Trump "hate" Mexican, Muslims, etc. so much as that he is playing to the room. To me, the establishment's (both D's and R's) campaign against him boils down to the fact that Trump's popularity is based on the (valid?) perception that the other candidates are on the take whereas he (Trump) can't be bought. In the first debate Rubio went on a diatribe about Trump being a horrible human being, etc., etc., while the other candidates nodded approvingly. Trumps reply? "Funny, you didn't mention any of that when you were in my office two years ago asking me for $1 million." Everyone immediately looked at the floor and that was the end of that. Rubio asked Trump why Hillary Clinton attended his wedding. Trump: "Because I paid her to be there". Not many people running for national office will come right out and burn down the room in full view of the voters. The "establishment"---both Right and Left---view Trump as a threat to the usual way of doing business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Disclaimer: not a Trump supporter. However: Honestly, I don't think Trump "hate" Mexican, Muslims, etc. so much as that he is playing to the room. To me, the establishment's (both D's and R's) campaign against him boils down to the fact that Trump's popularity is based on the (valid?) perception that the other candidates are on the take whereas he (Trump) can't be bought. In the first debate Rubio went on a diatribe about Trump being a horrible human being, etc., etc., while the other candidates nodded approvingly. Trumps reply? "Funny, you didn't mention any of that when you were in my office two years ago asking me for $1 million." Everyone immediately looked at the floor and that was the end of that. Rubio asked Trump why Hillary Clinton attended his wedding. Trump: "Because I paid her to be there". Not many people running for national office will come right out and burn down the room in full view of the voters. The "establishment"---both Right and Left---view Trump as a threat to the usual way of doing business. Leaving Trump out of it, it just sickens me that politics has come to "playing the room". Playing the room is what a comedian should do to get the best audience, not a person running to be the damn leader of our country. The fact that the campaign has come down to penis and hand size should be a somber, sad truth of the world we live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dste Ace Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Leaving Trump out of it, it just sickens me that politics has come to "playing the room". Playing the room is what a comedian should do to get the best audience, not a person running to be the damn leader of our country. The fact that the campaign has come down to penis and hand size should be a somber, sad truth of the world we live in. I voted for the first time in the 1980 elections. (for Ronald Reagan) I honestly don't believe any of the remaining candidates are worthy of the office of President of the the United States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Leaving Trump out of it, it just sickens me that politics has come to "playing the room". Playing the room is what a comedian should do to get the best audience, not a person running to be the damn leader of our country. Playing the room is exactly what politicians have done for years; this is not a new phenomenon. The fact that the campaign has come down to penis and hand size should be a somber, sad truth of the world we live in. Good god, would you listen to yourself? "Them talking about hand/penis size is the problem with the world." Surely, this is a much sadder and more somber sign than killing 150,000 Iraqis for oil money. Much, much worse than ISIS beheading hostages with C4 necklaces. Much worse than ISIS packing hostages into a car and launching an RPG into it. Worse than rapes and sexual assaults happening in Europe. Worse than us giving billions to Israel to bully Palestinians because they're terrorists, while we turn a blind eye to the Saudis who export Wahhabism. Yep. This is much worse than US state governments restricting access to abortion. Worse than continued proxy wars between the East and West that led to the current mess that exists in all over the world. Nope, all that shit pales in comparison to the spat of personal insults Rubio and Trump are spewing towards each other. Give me a break. Those petty squabbles have breathed fresh life into what are typically boring debates, and they really have zero effect on the bigger picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Leaving Trump out of it, it just sickens me that politics has come to "playing the room". Playing the room is what a comedian should do to get the best audience, not a person running to be the damn leader of our country. The fact that the campaign has come down to penis and hand size should be a somber, sad truth of the world we live in. LOL Yes damnit I long for the good old days of American politics. 500 years ago was it? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Playing the room is exactly what politicians have done for years; this is not a new phenomenon. Good god, would you listen to yourself? "Them talking about hand/penis size is the problem with the world." Surely, this is a much sadder and more somber sign than killing 150,000 Iraqis for oil money. Much, much worse than ISIS beheading hostages with C4 necklaces. Much worse than ISIS packing hostages into a car and launching an RPG into it. Worse than rapes and sexual assaults happening in Europe. Worse than us giving billions to Israel to bully Palestinians because they're terrorists, while we turn a blind eye to the Saudis who export Wahhabism. Yep. This is much worse than US state governments restricting access to abortion. Worse than continued proxy wars between the East and West that led to the current mess that exists in all over the world. Nope, all that shit pales in comparison to the spat of personal insults Rubio and Trump are spewing towards each other. Give me a break. Those petty squabbles have breathed fresh life into what are typically boring debates, and they really have zero effect on the bigger picture. If you can find me a time where politicians, on live television, have talked about having a big penis than I'll retract my statement. Appeasing the masses and bickering like 5th graders whose balls just dropped hitting puberty are two way, way different things. Don't even get me started on the bullshit, straw man fallacy of "this problem isn't bad because of all of this which are worse". Here's a no brainer thing for ya, events in the world aren't mutually exclusive. Shitty things going on the world doesn't make another event less shitty. If you can honestly look at the state of the debates going on in the GOP and think "boy, this is the epitome of presidential politics" than I just feel sorry for you. This isn't even about Trump as it is everyone in the group. It's a sad reality that has hit about of a low point as it possibly can. But wait, what about the starving kids in Africa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 If you can find me a time where politicians, on live television, have talked about having a big penis than I'll retract my statement. Appeasing the masses and bickering like 5th graders whose balls just dropped hitting puberty are two way, way different things. Don't even get me started on the bullshit, straw man fallacy of "this problem isn't bad because of all of this which are worse". Here's a no brainer thing for ya, events in the world aren't mutually exclusive. Shitty things going on the world doesn't make another event less shitty. If you can honestly look at the state of the debates going on in the GOP and think "boy, this is the epitome of presidential politics" than I just feel sorry for you. This isn't even about Trump as it is everyone in the group. It's a sad reality that has hit about of a low point as it possibly can. But wait, what about the starving kids in Africa! http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-22072992 Another French President Jacques Chirac said: "She was one of the most feared figures on the international stage."He went on to say: "What made her great in my view was above all her conviction... She never doubted being in the right." At the same time he once asked about Margaret Thatcher: "What does she want from me, this housewife? My balls on a plate?" Well would you look at that? You can retract your statement any time. What you're pissing and moaning about is literally a non-factor for every single economic and international situation that Trump might run into during his presidency. If, somehow, him talking about his hand/dick size ruins our diplomatic plans, I'll be the first to eat my words. If you think that them talking about their balls is in any way comparable to what's going on in the world, then you're the one you should be feeling sorry for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-22072992 Well would you look at that? You can retract your statement any time. What you're pissing and moaning about is literally a non-factor for every single economic and international situation that Trump might run into during his presidency. If, somehow, him talking about his hand/dick size ruins our diplomatic plans, I'll be the first to eat my words. If you think that them talking about their balls is in any way comparable to what's going on in the world, then you're the one you should be feeling sorry for. American politics my friend is what I clearly said...was that hard to follow? A french dude saying something doesn't mean squat to me. Edit: those things really aren't even close either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 lol! "this example doesn't count so I'm going to ignore it!" By all means continue to cry me a river because politicians are using inappropriate language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 lol! "this example doesn't count so I'm going to ignore it!" By all means continue to cry me a river because politicians are using inappropriate language. I plainly stated what i wanted to see and you did not provide that. Im amazed that it is that hard to understand. I could care less about bad language, but again critical reading has gone to the wayside. What I said clearly is that the fact that debates have sunk to talking about penis size is really sad. It has nothing to do with your golden boy. I cannot wait to hear back that somehow my words are different than I meant when i wrote them, and that it was put of context somehow. Heck that would be pretty Donald Trump of me.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 What I said clearly is that the fact that debates have sunk to talking about penis size is really sad. And this is exactly why I'm calling you out. You are making a mountain out of a molehill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Actually you can thank the media for the over coverage of the minutae about somebody's dick. If you want to bemoan the state of politics, mourn for the passing of Edward R Murrow and Walter Cronkite. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dste Ace Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Actually you can thank the media for the over coverage of the minutae about somebody's dick. If you want to bemoan the state of politics, mourn for the passing of Edward R Murrow and Walter Cronkite. WSS "And that's the way it is..." Back in the 70's when 60 Minutes began hitting it's stride and was consistently finishing first in the ratings, the president of CBS News knew that that success was a double-edged sword. He said that we would look back on that moment with pride and regret; regretful because the entertainment division of the networks had realized that the news division was capable of making money for the network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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