ObaMao "pledges allegiance to"...cuba and che.

[calfoxwc]

if it walks like a marxist communist...and talks and acts like a marxist communist...

 

 

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/03/21/photos-obama-meets-with-cubas-castro-poses-for-photo-in-front-of-giant-sculpture-of-che-guevara/

[OldBrownsFan]

I could understand Obama wanting to normalize relations with Cuba due to all the concessions the Castro brothers have made...except they didn't make any concessions all the concessions came from Obama. Obama as a failed president is trying to leave some kind of legacy and in this case the mainstream media is fawning all over him again about his trip to Cuba.

[bbedward]

Lifting the trade embargo and improving relations with Cuba is a good thing,

 

We failed at toppling Castro, at the very least they'll no longer have a scapegoat for their economic failure (the US). Good things will come out of it - short and long term.

[OldBrownsFan]

“To those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history, but that we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist.”

These stirring words came in President Barack Obama’s first inaugural address. It’s taken seven years to make clear they were utterly meaningless.

The right side of history is whatever side the president is on, and America’s enemies don’t need to stop punching dissidents with clenched fists to get a hug.

Exhibit A to prove this is, again, the little state of Cuba, 90 miles from U.S. shores.

Antonio Rodiles, who is the leader of the Cuban democratic movement, was re-arrested for “disorderly conduct” on Sunday for speaking his mind in the open.

Rodiles was just here last week in Washington, D.C. (he was interviewed by The Daily Signal), and had high-profile meetings with members of Congress and at the State Department.

Meanwhile, the country’s dictator, Raúl Castro, donned this military uniform for an unannounced TV appearance last Friday to denounce the United States and make more demands.

Yes, demands.

Rodiles, and other pro-democracy activists, have said all along that Obama’s decision to grant the Castro regime recognition a year ago would prove to be a costly mistake for Cubans.

By extracting no conditions in exchange for relations, Obama has allowed Castro to act with impunity with his opponents.

http://dailysignal.com/2015/12/21/proof-that-obama-was-wrong-about-cuba/

 

[Westside Steve]

It is funny for all you lefties out there who hate corporate greed that your boy Obama took the Marriott big shots with him.

Even funnier that Raul Castro didn't bother to meet the fucker when he flew in.

 

WSS

[Clevfan4life]

And out comes the manufactured decades old tripe ignorant rage over a man no one truly bothered to learn about, ie guevera. Cause he was just a bloodthirsty marxist murderer who just killed people for the fun of it. Keep leting urselves get led around on a leadh like good little doggies. Beg for masters treats!! Go on, say arf arf boy!!

 

And gasp omg obama had a phot taken with gueveras likeness on a building in the background. Oh the rahe the rage

[Clevfan4life]

It is funny for all you lefties out there who hate corporate greed that your boy Obama took the Marriott big shots with him.

Even funnier that Raul Castro didn't bother to meet the fucker when he flew in.

 

WSS

 

Good for castro then if they're uninterested in reopening cuba to corporate american corruption. Those suits probably remind them of luciano and his minions. Good for him if hes saying no thanks barack. Im very sure that businesses are just salivating at the notion of re exploiting cuba like the good ole days when havana was little vegas and the whole country was essentially run by the american mob. That whole business was what led to the revolution in the first place.

[OldBrownsFan]

Cleve that arf arf stuff sounds like Hillary Clinton.

 

Our limp wristed prez in Cuba:

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/president-obama-raul-castro-share-awkward-embrace-article-1.2572294

[LogicIsForSquares]

And out comes the manufactured decades old tripe ignorant rage over a man no one truly bothered to learn about, ie guevera. Cause he was just a bloodthirsty marxist murderer who just killed people for the fun of it. Keep leting urselves get led around on a leadh like good little doggies. Beg for masters treats!! Go on, say arf arf boy!!

I get it. He was a swell guy who liked to murder a ton of people for disagreeing with him.

[Westside Steve]

Yeah Cleve Castro's a real hero. Much better than Meyer Lansky. Hahaha

 

WSS

[Clevfan4life]

oh we would have licked Che's asshole if he was somewhere else trying to overthrow some commies. But since he was against U.S interests, despite they being exploitative interests, we didn't like him. I've actually read his personal writings. I have zero doubt had he been some cross bearing crusader in ages past he would have been canonized long ago. And his actions following the successful overthrow in Cuba prove that he was what people thought he was. Castro was the fake.

[Clevfan4life]

I get it. He was a swell guy who liked to murder a ton of people for disagreeing with him.

 

But if he was murdering a bunch of mooslims in South America for "disagreeing with him", like I said we'd tongue fuck his man box. He'd have his own reality show here. But nope...he was just trying to help rid Cuba of the American mob and their puppets in the Cuban govt. Pox on all that right?

[Westside Steve]

oh we would have licked Che's asshole if he was somewhere else trying to overthrow some commies. But since he was against U.S interests, despite they being exploitative interests, we didn't like him. I've actually read his personal writings. I have zero doubt had he been some cross bearing crusader in ages past he would have been canonized long ago. And his actions following the successful overthrow in Cuba prove that he was what people thought he was. Castro was the fake.

Always pick the scumbag who has the most to offer the interests of the United States. Why be a fucking idiot?

 

 

WSS

[Clevfan4life]

Always pick the scumbag who has the most to offer the interests of the United States. Why be a fucking idiot?

 

 

WSS

 

exactly. Except Che wasn't a scumbag. I won't agree or disagree with the things he did. I wasn't there. I didn't witness what he witnessed firsthand. From outsiders lenses one could say chill bro that's a little harsh, but when you see things firsthand..he was a traveling Dr who treated leppers ffs....than perspective changes. I'm not candycoating the guy, i'm sure he was brutal.

[One Post]

Lifting the trade embargo and improving relations with Cuba is a good thing,

 

We failed at toppling Castro, at the very least they'll no longer have a scapegoat for their economic failure (the US). Good things will come out of it - short and long term.

A trade embargo is just talk and papers.it keeps Cuba in check of some sorts.

[One Post]

Well it hurts the democratic party in Fla. they hate Castro.

[Westside Steve]

 

exactly. Except Che wasn't a scumbag. I won't agree or disagree with the things he did. I wasn't there. I didn't witness what he witnessed firsthand. From outsiders lenses one could say chill bro that's a little harsh, but when you see things firsthand..he was a traveling Dr who treated leppers ffs....than perspective changes. I'm not candycoating the guy, i'm sure he was brutal.

Whatever. One man's Freedom Fighter is another man's scumbag.

 

WSS

[Clevfan4life]

Whatever. One man's Freedom Fighter is another man's scumbag.

 

WSS

 

che's own personal writings are interesting reading. I had always heard the name che and seen hipsters with those dumbass t-shirts he'd likely despise, but I didn't know fuck all about che until a few years ago. I didn't even know he was part of the Cuban rev with castro. I don't barely know anyone that I grew up with that did either. When we "peripherally" learned about Cuba in grade school and HS it was all about Castro, never Che. And that's because Castro is an inherently unlikeable fellow. So he's good evil commie foil material. Che on the other hand comes off like Jesus when you read his writings, especially "pre che" when he was just Ernesto Guevera traveling Dr to the poor. The kid could have been a superstar in the medical field, he had his life of privilege literally paved for him.

 

Watch the motorcycle diaries, from what I've researched that movie is a very accurate portrayal of Che when he was still the traveling Dr. He wasn't "che" yet.

[calfoxwc]

bs. really stupid bs. Cleve, why is it that you all too often seem to think that you are

in a horse race, while sitting astride a fallen tree?

 

http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/michael-j-totten/truth-about-che-guevara

 

Humberto Fontova’s Exposing the Real Che Guevara is an exception. It’s relentlessly critical, not only of the killer himself, but of his fans. He spends hundreds of pages debunking Castro’s state mythology with footnoted sources and interviews with eye-witnesses, but Che’s own words are enough to condemn him.

“A revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate.”

“We will bring the war to the imperialist enemies’ very home, to his places of work and recreation. We must never give him a minute of peace or tranquility. This is a total war to the death.”

“If the nuclear missiles had remained, we would have used them against the very heart of America, including New York City…We will march the path of victory even if it costs millions of atomic victims…We must keep our hatred alive and fan it to paroxysm.”

Here’s one more from Fontaine in France: “In his will, the graduate of the school of terror praised the ‘extremely useful hatred that turns men into effective, violent, merciless, and cold killing machines.’ He was dogmatic, cold, and intolerant, and there was almost nothing in him of the traditionally open and warm Cuban temperament.”

"And yet anti-establishment young people all over the world have Che’s face on their walls and their T-shirts. Most of them don’t know anything real about the man they admire. They have no idea he was one of the most violently illiberal establishment figures in the Western Hemisphere’s history. They admire the image, which is and always has been a fraud."

[Clevfan4life]

Yes, Che hit pieces are abound everywhere. I've read the mans own "verified" writings. Yes I've read his writings from his time as "che" the guerilla. He undoubtedly became something different than what he was when he was tending lepper camps. That being said, if I had witnessed some of the things he wrote about...it's very possible I could have been driven to the same rage that he was. I'm not calling him right or wrong cal, i'm saying he was a product of something that NOBODY here especially you, can even moderately relate to.

 

I just know more about this than you do so further discussion is pointless. You're going to paste link after link of the same Bautista fueled tripe that's been spewed since forever. The same shit I grew up leaning which is demonstrably false and misleading. Like I said, keep barking Cal....earn your masters tasty nom's. Arf arf, arf arf. Good boy.

[Clevfan4life]

If you cared to research for just a few minutes the things that were going on in South America in the 50's, 60's and 70's.....that the U.S had a lot to do with, if that was happening here someone like Che would have memorials all over this country for. When you're assassinating or more aptly facilitating the assassination of democratically elected leaders of countries because they wouldn't answer to some corporate American suit....you create savage's like Ernesto Che Guevera. They're not good men because they can't be.

[Westside Steve]

You are probably correct. I'm sure you know more about Che Guevara than most of us. Right or wrong comma isn't my place to decide. I will add this much. I'm sure there are people who have studied much more about Marx and Lenin then I have and would have a positive opinion on them and the Bolsheviks. Same with Malcolm X or Jesse James.

I have no doubt there are people who think Castro is the savior of his country. Doesn't mean you can prove right or wrong just that there are varying schools of thought.

WSS

[Clevfan4life]

Was marx not supposed to be a good guy? Ive never heard orherwise but i barely know shit about him. But yes alot of things are relative. With che though everything ive read from unbiased sources had him directing his anger at specific people. I mesn he was at war. He was never "in power" per se. So he didnt have people casually executed cause they looked funny, ala real mad men like stalin.

 

Its not black and white with che and the revolutioaries. The most powerful nation on earth was fighting a proxy war against them. Evidence of that was the CIA running out to africa to recover his body when he finally went down. Africa was and largely still is another place where the worlds major powers fight their proxy wars against each other to the extreme detriment of africans.

[calfoxwc]

you have a tribute to hitler on your tv? I mean, if you read his writings before he took power,

he talked about some good things, like

 

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/clives_lives/2007/02/adolf_hitler.html

 

He liked music. and the arts... say, what is it you blame for hitler's cruelty after he got power?

 

che was a hitler wannabe. And it wasn't a "hit piece" just like writing about the Holocaust.

 

You surely can't be serious.

[Clevfan4life]

you have a tribute to hitler on your tv? I mean, if you read his writings before he took power,

he talked about some good things, like

 

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/clives_lives/2007/02/adolf_hitler.html

 

He liked music. and the arts... say, what is it you blame for hitler's cruelty after he got power?

 

che was a hitler wannabe. And it wasn't a "hit piece" just like writing about the Holocaust.

 

You surely can't be serious.

 

Hitler was never Che, not even remotely close...if you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't have made the laughable comparison. Utterly laughable. I"m laughing. He liked music and the arts, ok....seems like a valid comparison to a guy who walked with the poor, tended to leppers, and gave up a guaranteed life of materialist luxury.

 

[Clevfan4life]

And what did Che do after the revolution was won? He could have ran Cuba instead of Castro, it's what people wanted. Castro was 2nd choice. He didn't want that kind of institutional power which further seperates him from "der fuhrer" doesn't it?

[bbedward]

Meh - I just want to go to Cuba, hang out on the beach, smoke a cigar and drink a mojito like you used to be able to do in the 40s/50s.

 

I don't really understand the appreciation for Che though. Guy was a totalitarian marxist - who was brutally violent except when he begged for his own life like a pussy. Line up all the war criminals in front of the firing squad without a trial, watch them all get executed while you sip a cocktail and smoke a cigar - that was more of who Che was.

 

He died trying to spread communism...by force (creating revolutions).

[Westside Steve]

 

Hitler was never Che, not even remotely close...if you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't have made the laughable comparison. Utterly laughable. I"m laughing. He liked music and the arts, ok....seems like a valid comparison to a guy who walked with the poor, tended to leppers, and gave up a guaranteed life of materialist luxury.

 

Of course so did Osama bin Laden.

 

the WSS

[calfoxwc]

a che worshipper. who knew.

 

weird.

[Clevfan4life]

Meh - I just want to go to Cuba, hang out on the beach, smoke a cigar and drink a mojito like you used to be able to do in the 40s/50s.

 

I don't really understand the appreciation for Che though. Guy was a totalitarian marxist - who was brutally violent except when he begged for his own life like a pussy. Line up all the war criminals in front of the firing squad without a trial, watch them all get executed while you sip a cocktail and smoke a cigar - that was more of who Che was.

 

He died trying to spread communism...by force (creating revolutions).

 

CIA story about how he died. They needef to kill the legend and anybody that tried to take up his cause. Pure fiction. We've done it with others too. Mossadegh, Roldos, arbenz, allende etc,etc