Tour2ma Posted August 13, 2016 Report Share Posted August 13, 2016 Hey... it worked in the Primary! This is dangerous ground upon which The Donald is now treading. "The only way we can lose, in my opinion -- I really mean this, Pennsylvania -- is if cheating goes on." By contrast his little "2nd Amendment" sarcasm was tame... but put the two together. #WordsMatter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted August 13, 2016 Report Share Posted August 13, 2016 The left sure fights voter ID laws tooth and nail. If ID is given free to anyone needing one how can anyone be against voter ID except they want to have voter fraud? If ID is given for free that takes away the argument of trying to suppress voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 13, 2016 Report Share Posted August 13, 2016 There is always more detail and context behind voter ID laws. But you're right, if the ID is free and easily attainable I don't see the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted August 13, 2016 Report Share Posted August 13, 2016 Electronic voting booths need a makeover. Private companies make them, nobody knows how they work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 Something 'the left" has been saying for years, bb... There is always more detail and context behind voter ID laws. But you're right, if the ID is free and easily attainable I don't see the issue. And there's the rub... the difficulty and cost of many restrictive laws have been placed one step away from the actual ID in many states.Copies of birth certificates are one example. The elderly who were mid-wifed into the world may not have one. But assume one exists... in Ohio the cost of securing a replacement is $75... not a trivial sum for a substantial segment of the population. Cost in Texas is the same.But once all the preliminary costs and hurdles are met, the cost of "a free ID" in TX is in fact $0 and is good for 6 years. The odd thing about our EIC? It is good for absolutely nothing else than voting, i.e., it is not a personal ID. TX does provide those for non-drivers for $16.And this does not even include the accessibility of the IDs in many states. Many have closed license offices in "certain" areas and/or reduced operating hours. If working "poor" has to take time off and travel some distance, that adds to the "cost" of their maintaining their right. The left sure fights voter ID laws tooth and nail. If ID is given free to anyone needing one how can anyone be against voter ID except they want to have voter fraud? If ID is given for free that takes away the argument of trying to suppress voters. Facts are that in person voting fraud, the only fraudulent voting IDs have a chance to impact, is virtually non-existent with something like 11 successfully prosecuted cases since 2000 out of 400mm votes cast. If there's a true concern about voter fraud absentee and other mail-in means are the target rich environment, if one exists.If you want a point of agreement... here's one. I do not understand the rationale behind "same day registration". Exception would be in states, like Florida, where registration drive rules became so prohibitive that they tacitly outlawed the efforts.As for Voter Laws... they're falling like flies with NC, TX, Wisconsin and Kansas being the latest. Of these only two, NC and TX, were covered by provisions in the Voting Rights Act to have changes in their laws reviewed by the DOJ prior to implementation... the provision set aside by the sitting SCOTUS plus Antonin.And the laws falling are not not just ID laws. Reduced numbers of early voting days including elimination of weekend voting and reduced numbers of polling places primary in "urban" areas are all being undone. Some too late to have prevented their implementations in years past... the reason the special review provisions were set into law to begin with.And FYI the old provision did not just target "red states" or those of the old Confederacy. Both Cali and NY were on the list. Woody should be proud that Michigan also was a covered state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 About 764,000 results (0.63 seconds) Search Results Obama Likely Won Re-Election Through Election Fraud - Rachel ...Townhall.com/.../obama_likely_won_reelection_through_election_fraud Nov 11, 2012 - There were many factors that hurt Mitt Romney and favored Barack Obama in the ... Presidents rarely win reelection when the economy is in the tank. ... The most realistic explanation is voter fraud in a few swing states. ... then voting their ballot for them, has been happening in big cities since the 1950's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 I'm not from Michigan. But good for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 not having to require an id, coupled with massive illegal immigration and "refugees" from Muslim countries... sets the stage for massive voter fraud. Only a dishonest fool would deny it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 If you can believe, anything is possible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 Something 'the left" has been saying for years, bb... Not so much left vs right, more so depends on who the apparent beneficiary is. Like, the left will scream about Diebold rigging Ohio in favor of Bush - a pretty valid complaint, I may add. But you know, a mysterious Microsoft voting cloud is all fine and dandy - no chance at all that M$' campaign contributions or clinton foundation contributions could ever, ever alter the integrity of the mysterious Microsoft voting cloud system that nobody knows how it works except a few people at Microsoft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bbedward Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 http://blockchaintechcorp.com/blockchain-apparatus/blockchain-voting-machine/ Blockchain voting machines are the only way to make them secure and trustworthy. Until then, paper ballots are the only acceptable option. --- Trump's concerns about 'rigged' election are not just valid, it's likely. We don't know what the source code on these machines looks like - we don't know anything about them. They're easy to hack and install malware on - they've been known to do things like flip votes "misclick" Corporations behind voting machines have invested millions of dollars into the Clintons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 I've gotten replacement birth certificates at least twice when I passport. It might have cost 5 bucks. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 How long ago, Steve? About 764,000 results (0.63 seconds) Less than 1,000,000 ain't shit... Only a dishonest fool would deny it. Ain't no denying it anymore... Fuck you, cal... Now bitch about how I attacked you... Trump's concerns about 'rigged' election are not just valid, it's likely. We don't know what the source code on these machines looks like - we don't know anything about them. They're easy to hack and install malware on - they've been known to do things like flip votes "misclick" Corporations behind voting machines have invested millions of dollars into the Clintons. Individual machines? Yes, but you have to have physical access to them. Not like hacking a server... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 not having to require an id, coupled with massive illegal immigration and "refugees" from Muslim countries... sets the stage for massive voter fraud. Only a dishonest fool would deny it. can't deny it, Tour. Nope. You can't. Make you mad bro? Can't dance around that one? Have a nice dancing day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 No motherfucker.... you called me a liar. That is an uncrossable line you one-knee, piece of shit. Pleasant dreams... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 We need block chain open source voting machines or no voting machines - nothing in between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 Birth certificate? Within a few years. But back to my old saw, if you are too stupid too irresponsible or too destitute to get an identification together I'm not much interested in your vote to begin with. But seriously how did they know who to give your social benefits to? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MLD Woody Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Birth certificate? Within a few years. But back to my old saw, if you are too stupid too irresponsible or too destitute to get an identification together I'm not much interested in your vote to begin with. But seriously how did they know who to give your social benefits to? WSS or you're poor... in which case fuck you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 or you're poor... in which case fuck you Yeah, like I said I used the word destitute but that means poor.. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 I read that as just deprived as a person, Aka normal poor people shaming that happens on here. If I did misread your intent, my apologies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 If I did misread your intent, my apologies See how it's at least halfway done, cal? You whiny lil' bitch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Yeah, like I said I used the word destitute but that means poor.. WSS They all have ID. It's meant to get the illegal alien vote for the democrats. Plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 See how it's at least halfway done, cal? You whiny lil' bitch... Ahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 No motherfucker.... you called me a liar. That is an uncrossable line you one-knee, piece of shit. Pleasant dreams... Now, Toursies, where did I call you a liar? You're just wrong, and you dance around admitting the truth about stuff. That isn't a lie, it's just being wrong. Just recently, I said something like "oops, my bad". I think it was to Cysko. You are just like heck was - always arrogantly right, and can't handle being wrong. And sometimes, you ARE wrong. Have a nice pouty day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 I think you're mad, bro, because you were talking about voting fraud virtually doesn't really happen. Then I posted this: Posted 15 August 2016 - 03:04 PM About 764,000 results (0.63 seconds) Search Results Obama Likely Won Re-Election Through Election Fraud - Rachel ...Townhall.com/.../obama_likely_won_reelection_through_election_fraud Nov 11, 2012 - There were many factors that hurt Mitt Romney and favored Barack Obama in the ... Presidents rarely win reelection when the economy is in the tank. ... The most realistic explanation is voter fraud in a few swing states. ... then voting their ballot for them, has been happening in big cities since the 1950's. and if you think philly voters voted for Obamao one hundred percent, I sneeze in your direction. In 59 Philadelphia voting divisions, Mitt Romney got zero votes www.philly.com/philly/.../20121112_In_59... Philadelphia Media Network Nov 12, 2012 - Miriam Hill, Andrew Seidman, and John Duchneskie, Philadelphia ... In the entire 28th Ward, Romney received only 34 votes to Obama's 5,920. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Now, Toursies, where did I call you a liar? You're just wrong, and you dance around admitting the truth about stuff. That isn't a lie, it's just being wrong. Just recently, I said something like "oops, my bad". I think it was to Cysko. You are just like heck was - always arrogantly right, and can't handle being wrong. And sometimes, you ARE wrong. Have a nice pouty day. Now you're calling me a liar? I'm coming to canton with an army of horn worms to turn loose on your crops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Now you're calling me a liar? I'm coming to canton with an army of horn worms to turn loose on your crops. lol... just don't call him any bad names or he'll wet himself and run to Steve... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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