OldBrownsFan Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 One of the things I usually hear about homosexuality is that gays were born that way. The bible clearly lists homosexuality as a sin so the bible must be wrong because they were born they way they are and have no control over it and science has proven it. Apparently science has not: "Well, this will cause a few liberal heads to explode, especially in light of the fact that liberals take great pride in their adherence to science as the be all and end all of every discussion. Now science is meddling with one of their pet causes: sexual orientation." The cultural Marxists would have us believe that gender is fluid and sexual orientation is something people have no control over. Yeah. About that. A report by two renowned researchers on Monday has concluded that there is no scientific basis to believe that gay or transgendered people are “born that way.” http://www.redstate....w-liberal-left/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 The human brain is a complex thing, I don't think it's known exactly what pre-birth and post-birth factors end up making a person gay. But if girls like this came all up on you and there was no movement, I think it's pretty obvious that gay is not a choice for many people. That speaks for sexual orientation. As far as gender, I don't know. It's all just how some people are wired, I don't see why it's still a debate. What is this even advocating for? Are they saying that straight camps are good or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 The whole idea of homosexuality being a choice is basically Retarded. I mean, given how much shit people take for it - remembering Die Hard casually dropping in to conversation that he thinks one such guy in his navy days was killed for being gay, because that's what happens - who would *choose* to be gay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Richard Speck and every member of NAMBLA were born that way. That's just a stupid reason for or against. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsKidd Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Beat me to it... I read this and find it to be very compelling against the LBGTQFMNOPQRST agenda... However, I wonder how much media attention it will get... if any. I saw it first on Yahoo, a shocker, and now I can't find it on their first page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 And that's why it's not the argument. Gay marriage shouldn't be legal because they didn't choose to be gay. It should be legal because it literally doesn't harm anyone else and there is no good case against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsKidd Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 The human brain is a complex thing, I don't think it's known exactly what pre-birth and post-birth factors end up making a person gay. But if girls like this came all up on you and there was no movement, I think it's pretty obvious that gay is not a choice for many people. That speaks for sexual orientation. As far as gender, I don't know. It's all just how some people are wired, I don't see why it's still a debate. What is this even advocating for? Are they saying that straight camps are good or something? In a nutshell, there is no scientific evidence for being "Born that way". That children who portray trans-gendered actions normally grow out of such actions. That parents who try and push/nurture their children to being transgendered can cause more harm mentally down the road. That sex reassignment surgery does not provide the mental stability that is assumed. That the media and government agenda is in fact wrong and should seriously reconsider many of the legislation and agendas pushing for certain rights and recommends that serious research and study be given instead of giving into the agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 OBF, does this mean you aren't a creationist anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 In a nutshell, there is no scientific evidence for being "Born that way". That children who portray trans-gendered actions normally grow out of such actions. That parents who try and push/nurture their children to being transgendered can cause more harm mentally down the road. That sex reassignment surgery does not provide the mental stability that is assumed. That the media and government agenda is in fact wrong and should seriously reconsider many of the legislation and agendas pushing for certain rights and recommends that serious research and study be given instead of giving into the agenda. [citation needed] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 They are perverted. That's why they are gay. Just like some sickos can't get it up without causing someone else pain, they are a sick fuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 The whole idea of homosexuality being a choice is basically Retard. I mean, given how much shit people take for it - remembering Die Hard casually dropping in to conversation that he thinks one such guy in his navy days was killed for being gay, because that's what happens - who would *choose* to be gay? Good lord diehard is a walking scumbag. And we're supposed to respect this guy cause he served. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Good lord diehard is a walking scumbag. And we're supposed to respect this guy he served. Everyone that's ever been in the military is a hero. Don't question it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Richard Speck and every member of NAMBLA were born that way. That's just a stupid reason for or against. WSS Do you see how bringing nambla and the predation of non consenting children into this discussion about consenting adults.......is kind of douchey steve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Everyone that's ever been in the military is a hero. Don't question it. Unbeleivably my estimation of diehard has reached new lows. In comparison stuart comes off like a lifelong browns backer now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Do you see how bringing nambla and the predation of non consenting children into this discussion about consenting adults.......is kind of douchey steve? It's the continued equating of homosexuality with paedophilia and bestiality and necrophilia and ever more heinous things that perpetuates in the minds of the easily manipulated the idea that being gay automatically makes you a sexual predator who should be locked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 The whole idea of homosexuality being a choice is basically Retard. I love that the Retard autocorrect is still alive and well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 I love that the Retard autocorrect is still alive and well... I'd forgotten about it until I posted, but yeah, it's good for the chuckles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted August 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 The human brain is a complex thing, I don't think it's known exactly what pre-birth and post-birth factors end up making a person gay. But if girls like this came all up on you and there was no movement, I think it's pretty obvious that gay is not a choice for many people. That speaks for sexual orientation. As far as gender, I don't know. It's all just how some people are wired, I don't see why it's still a debate. What is this even advocating for? Are they saying that straight camps are good or something? I think one of the things they are saying is this: "Logically, it would appear that McHugh and Mayer are suggesting that if your 6-year old girl likes climbing trees and playing baseball more than she likes Barbie Dolls and princess dresses, that’s not your signal to start hormone therapy treatments to prevent her from developing as a normal female. Likewise, if your 8-year old son likes to help Mom in the kitchen, you don’t take out a second mortgage on your home to pay for his reassignment surgery and introduce him to all your friends as “Monica.” Kids go through phases. Given time and appropriate love and care, they grow out of them. The parent who rushes to use their children to make a statement for social justice probably have no business with kids and are likely the reason those kids are messed up." *For me personally I just have heard that argument a number of times that gays are born that way so Christians who say the behavior is wrong (per the bible calling it a sin) we are the ones who are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 I have met little kids who were clearly gay and not from families where mom and dad foster the idea of wanting a gay kid. Quite the contrary, they were devoutly religious. My step brother is gay and grew up in our house where everyone gave each other hell for just about anything. Probably why he stayed in the closet for as long as he did. Call it what you will but the kids are born that way and not groomed to become Liberace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsKidd Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 [citation needed] Read the journal... Here is a synopsis if you don't want too. http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/ryan-t-anderson/nearly-everything-media-tell-you-about-sexual-orientation-and-gender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted August 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 The whole idea of homosexuality being a choice is basically Retard. I mean, given how much shit people take for it - remembering Die Hard casually dropping in to conversation that he thinks one such guy in his navy days was killed for being gay, because that's what happens - who would *choose* to be gay? I have a relative who was in the marines in the 60's and he said for entertainment they would go out and beat up gays on the weekends. He saw it as great fun. I am sure Diehard is right about a gay person getting killed back then. That is horrible and I am glad we have come a long ways today from that kind of hate against gays. I just will not condone or put my stamp of approval on that behavior. For me it would be the same as condoning adultery. It is a behavior expressly condemned as sinful behavior in the bible. Most Christians though are well aware we are all sinners and love the sinner and hate the sin. That is where I am at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Do you see how bringing nambla and the predation of non consenting children into this discussion about consenting adults.......is kind of douchey steve? No. Why do you ask? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 No. Why do you ask? WSS I ask cause its douchey. And frankly i thought you were above that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 I ask cause its douchey. And frankly i thought you were above that. No you didn't. You don't even know what consent means. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Just let the gays be gay. You wanna be a woman? I dont give 3 fucks as long as you're up front about having a dick. Don't want to get catfished or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Stuart The idea that someone chooses his sexual orientation sounds ridiculous. No one chooses to be heterosexual. I am straight because I am straight, Cleve is gay because he is gay. Did anyone here ever come to a point in your life when you chose which way you were gonna roll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Stuart The idea that someone chooses his sexual orientation sounds ridiculous. No one chooses to be heterosexual. I am straight because I am straight, Cleve is gay because he is gay. Did anyone here ever come to a point in your life when you chose which way you were gonna roll? Well...I choose not to be a Steelers fan. So there's always that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 No you didn't. You don't even know what consent means. WSS Yeah i did. I literally absolutely though you were above equating consenting adults in a homosexual relationship and nambla folks. Was i wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Yeah i did. I literally absolutely though you were above equating consenting adults in a homosexual relationship and nambla folks. Was i wrong? Once more you have no idea what the cliche means. It pisses you off but you need to pretend that there's something more to it. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 A. Cleve - you are supposed to respect his SERVICE. B. What is one perversion of normalcy that is completely not like other perversions of normalcy? Steve makes a solid point. Same category, legitimate suspicion between gayness and other perversions of normalcy. It's just self-serving liberal to try to disassociate one from another when it's in the same category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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