gftChris Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Actually Stuart NAMBLA members are homosexual males. They are not necessarily pedophiles as I believe pedophiles actually are attracted to children who are prepubescent. A whole different group. WSS NAMBLA then is presumably falling foul of the age of consent - which applies to everyone regardless of sexuality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 NAMBLA then is presumably falling foul of the age of consent - which applies to everyone regardless of sexuality.However you choose to spin it sir. NAMBLA is specifically homosexual and not necessarily a pedophile organization. Keeping in mind that pedophilia involves prepubescent children.A distasteful organization to be sure but not because of any natural or scientific reason, just because it pisses us (all of us I would bet) off. We are a judgemental and paternalistic society. Same reason some people are outraged about homosexuals. I don't think any of them or at least not many are deeply religious and actually believe strongly in the little-known biblical codicil. If they did they would be a lot more into vows of poverty and giving everything to the pool which is mentioned a helluva lot more often. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 However you choose to spin it sir. NAMBLA is specifically homosexual and not necessarily a pedophile organization. Keeping in mind that pedophilia involves prepubescent children. A distasteful organization to be sure but not because of any natural or scientific reason, just because it pisses us (all of us I would bet) off. We are a judgemental and paternalistic society. Same reason some people are outraged about homosexuals. I don't think any of them or at least not many are deeply religious and actually believe strongly in the little-known biblical codicil. If they did they would be a lot more into vows of poverty and giving everything to the pool which is mentioned a helluva lot more often. WSS No, we don't disapprove of NAMBLA because of some paternalistic outrage. We have an age of consent for sex which is set the way it is for good reasons, and they apply whether it's man/boy, man/girl, woman/boy, woman/girl. It just happens that there's an advocacy group for man/boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 No, we don't disapprove of NAMBLA because of some paternalistic outrage. We have an age of consent for sex which is set the way it is for good reasons, and they apply whether it's man/boy, man/girl, woman/boy, woman/girl. It just happens that there's an advocacy group for man/boy.Oh please. I understand that some folks who pound the table and shout science when deriding people of faith have a hard time admitting the are compelled to make up reasons to support their own emotions and prejudices.There is a perfectly normal and natural point in the life of any mammal where they become sexual beings. It makes us angry to think that our 14 year old might have desires but that's life. If consent was really a big deal to you you find some way to Outlaw masturbation by 14 and 15 year olds. Or you might make it illegal for anyone to have sex with someone whose IQ isn't within 15 points of their own. Or education and income levels further apart than maybe 15 or 20%. Or maybe an 18 year old woman should be locked up for having sex with a 60-something year old man who would obviously have a harder time resisting. He can't consent. Just man up and admit that NAMBLA pisses you off grosses you out and stirring up your natural feelings of anger and protectiveness. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Now why would we outlwaw fapping again? Because 14 year olds arent old enough tongive consent to their right hand? And thats the same as consent with adults now is it steve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Now why would outlawbfapping again? Because 14 year olds arent old enough tongive consent to their right hand? And thats the same as consent with adults now is it steve? Gee whiz Cleve a 14 year old couldn't possibly understand the ramifications of sexual activity and whatever he is fantasizing about will certainly damage him for life. No one can completely understand the horrible effects of sexual activity until they are 16 17 or 18. We know that right? "Says so in the scriptures." WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Dont scriptures say "if theres grass on the infield....." Anyway, yeah big difference between fantasies and actual sexual activity steve. Jr cant knock up his keyboard can he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Dont scriptures say "if theres grass on the infield....." Anyway, yeah big difference between fantasies and actual sexual activity steve. Jr cant knock up his keyboard can he? Scriptures was an inside joke. So it's pregnancy that concerns you? So sex should be prohibited for anyone under the age of oh, well you pick the arbitrary number. So a 16 year old gets a 15 year old pregnant they should both be in prison? Or at least Juvenile Hall until they are 18? What about if he's jerking off thinking of his 26 year old teacher? Should he be in therapy? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsKidd Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 What is sad, is that there is a report published, not by the blaze, not by some liberal media, but published by actual scientific study that reports a unbiased conclusion, and this conversation devolves to fapping and NAMBLA. Why am I not surprised. This report has been widely absent from media reports, nothing on social media or any other outlet that I can find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 What is sad, is that there is a report published, not by the blaze, not by some liberal media, but published by actual scientific study that reports a unbiased conclusion, and this conversation devolves to fapping and NAMBLA. Why am I not surprised. This report has been widely absent from media reports, nothing on social media or any other outlet that I can find. Threads evolve.Could be worse, could be about video games. And it does speak to the sacred cows of the liberal, and probably conservative set. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Scriptures was an inside joke. So it's pregnancy that concerns you? So sex should be prohibited for anyone under the age of oh, well you pick the arbitrary number. So a 16 year old gets a 15 year old pregnant they should both be in prison? Or at least Juvenile Hall until they are 18? What about if he's jerking off thinking of his 26 year old teacher? Should he be in therapy? WSS I feel like ur trying to find some sort of angle to justify banging ur 14-16 year old neighbor. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 I feel like ur trying to find some sort of angle to justify banging ur 14-16 year old neighbor. Thoughts?Oh dear me, no. Just trying to get you fuckers to admit that the reason you're against it is it that pisses you off. Me too.14 year olds are sexual creatures. Sorry I wish nobody thought about it until they were 18 but that ain't the case. Here in the USA there are a quarter million babies born to teenage mothers a year. Under your morality that means that at least a half million human beings need to be in jail. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Ok steve lemme draw you a picture. You have a 16 yr old daugjter and she gets pregnant. Obviously ur upset no matter what, but u telling me that you would be just as upset if it was her 17 yr old b/f vs some predatory 40 year old that told her he'd get her in movies or some shit like that. Same thing as a 17 yr old kid who let his hormones get the better of him? Not for me it isnt. Adults have no business with teenagers. If teens get each orher pregnan tjats obviously a problem but it stemmed from a natural relationship, they're peers. Some 40 year old cruising through catholic school parking lots is not a peer of those girls. Did i just ruin something for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Oh dear me, no. Just trying to get you fuckers to admit that the reason you're against it is it that pisses you off. Me too. 14 year olds are sexual creatures. Sorry I wish nobody thought about it until they were 18 but that ain't the case. Here in the USA there are a quarter million babies born to teenage mothers a year. Under your morality that means that at least a half million human beings need to be in jail. WSS Locking up teens for banging other teens? As for 18 being the age, I think that is just the arbitrary number that was determined to decide that was the age for when your brain should be developed enough to understand decisions like the ramifications of your vote, joining the military, getting a loan, etc. That is why it is the age of consent. Nothing to do with feelings. Hell, marriage age was somewhere between 14 and 18 up until the early 20th century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 And the reason we dont allow that anymore is that men used to in essence sell off their daughters to the highest bidder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 And the reason we dont allow that anymore is that men used to in essence sell off their daughters to the highest bidder. Ah the good ol' days of dowrys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Ok steve lemme draw you a picture. You have a 16 yr old daugjter and she gets pregnant. Obviously ur upset no matter what, but u telling me that you would be just as upset if it was her 17 yr old b/f vs some predatory 40 year old that told her he'd get her in movies or some shit like that. Same thing as a 17 yr old kid who let his hormones get the better of him? Not for me it isnt. Adults have no business with teenagers. If teens get each orher pregnan tjats obviously a problem but it stemmed from a natural relationship, they're peers. Some 40 year old cruising through catholic school parking lots is not a peer of those girls. Did i just ruin something for you? No not really, I've always thought you were kind of a moron and this doesn't change anything. Look dunce I find NAMBLA just as disgusting and distasteful as you do, if indeed you do. I'm just saying that consent has nothing to do with it. We don't demand consent in any other facet of Our Lives Many of which I have listed before. it makes us angry because we are paternalistic and protective. Not because there's any real reason. But some of you guys can't just accept that you need to pretend there's some sort of scientific basis. Likee people who hate queers need to pretend it says so in the Bible. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 "In 1875, England raised the age to 13 years; an act of sexual intercourse with a girl younger than 13 was a felony. In the U.S., each state determined its own criminal law and age of consent ranged from 10 to 12 years of age." WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Alright steve i thought it was obvious i was giving you mostly good natured shit but u seem to be menstruating lately. Maybe some midol? Back to topic, there's so many reasons to disallow girls 12-13 to marry it boggles my mind that it needs explaining. Maybe u really are just that stupid. Its more than just "paternalistic" feelings you dumbshit. We as a society came to tje conclusion some time ago that women werent baby chattel you ignoramus. Letting men knock up 13 yr old girls or younger even is a disgusting remnant of the old testament where females were seen as property of their fathers. If u dont understand the difference between a girl engaging in relations with her teenage bf vs a 50 yr old man ur right proper fucked in the head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Old Testament? How about Dearborn Michigan? et cetera. Here's one for you while you are preaching the hidebound Dogma of the legal system, How come a 19 year old American serviceman can't buy a shot of Jack Daniels? The law is omnipotent and all-knowing is it not? That's the natural order correct? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Finally googled "Stuart" as a derogatory term... at least I got something out of the continuation of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Old Testament? How about Dearborn Michigan? et cetera. Here's one for you while you are preaching the hidebound Dogma of the legal system, How come a 19 year old American serviceman can't buy a shot of Jack Daniels? The law is omnipotent and all-knowing is it not? That's the natural order correct? WSS Shot of jack=pounding a 12 year old. I get it now. Its a whole bunch of west side steve dipped straight of the toilet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Shot of jack=pounding a 12 year old. I get it now. Its a whole bunch of west side steve dipped straight of the toilet Dude you're often stupid, now you're boring too. And again just for the hell of it NAMBLA doesn't care about 12 year old girls. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Ok im boring but im 100% right in pointing out your incessant use of specious arguments and false equivalencies. In the past i thought u were just being a wily ole coyote but now i realize you really beleive ur dumb stupid stevens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 You can't point out one that's been incorrect. Until that happens TTFN. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Ive been doing nothing but pointing out ur false equivalencies for days now. Ur ridiculous assertions that initially leaves one incredulous they come from someone that can tie his own shoes in the morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Like I said citation needed no straw man please. What argument have I made that you believe has been proven to be incorrect? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 All of them, literally. You know i wasnt the one that came up with rhe typical steve right? Like other people had been saturated with your constant specious arguments and spurious corrolaries that they eventually were like "oh steve is being typical steve today". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 I think it's pretty apparent that you have nothing. You haven't really counted anything I've said aside from just ad hominem attacks and such. I'm giving you the opportunity to put your money where your mouth is. Pick one of my arguments or statements that you believe is patently incorrect and that you have debunked in this thread. Not just something that upset you. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Oh please. I understand that some folks who pound the table and shout science when deriding people of faith have a hard time admitting the are compelled to make up reasons to support their own emotions and prejudices. There is a perfectly normal and natural point in the life of any mammal where they become sexual beings. It makes us angry to think that our 14 year old might have desires but that's life. If consent was really a big deal to you you find some way to Outlaw masturbation by 14 and 15 year olds. Or you might make it illegal for anyone to have sex with someone whose IQ isn't within 15 points of their own. Or education and income levels further apart than maybe 15 or 20%. Or maybe an 18 year old woman should be locked up for having sex with a 60-something year old man who would obviously have a harder time resisting. He can't consent. Just man up and admit that NAMBLA pisses you off grosses you out and stirring up your natural feelings of anger and protectiveness. WSS I had to go back about one page to find ur stupid shit. Took me seconds. Archiving your stupid shit would require a bot im dead serious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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