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I would seriously bet you a crisp $20 bill that won't happen in any major respected poll outside of the LA Times. I do actually give kudos to ol' Trump for doing this but (asking seriously here) do you really think it's going to change anyone's mind about the dude? I'll even give you the ones I always look at (and everyone else does too): http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

 

The simple reason Trump is going to lose is the same reason Obama won. Trump surged in the primaries because the minority vote wasn't voting in them. I guarantee just like Obama this population will be in droves and they won't be voting for Trump. I literally don't care anymore, I hate both of these clowns almost equally so I'm not playing favorites. But Trump isn't going to win.

Obama Trump won in 2012 2016 because the biggest selling point Mitt Romney Crooked Hillary had is that he wasn't Obama Trump. No one actually liked Romney Crooked Hillary enough to want to vote for him, and Obama Trump had a rabid fan base voting for him because he was black an asshole who doesn't care who he offends.

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Donald Trump has pulled ahead of Hillary Clinton again nationally, according to one poll released Thursday.

According to Rasmussen’s latest polling, Trump is at 40 percent, Clinton is at 39 percent, Libertarian Gary Johnson is at 7 percent and Green Party candidate Jill Stein is at 3 percent. Three percent in the poll are supporting someone else while 7 percent say they are still undecided.

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Obama Trump won in 2012 2016 because the biggest selling point Mitt Romney Crooked Hillary had is that he wasn't Obama Trump. No one actually liked Romney Crooked Hillary enough to want to vote for him, and Obama Trump had a rabid fan base voting for him because he was black an asshole who doesn't care who he offends.

 

And this "rabid fan base" population is less than the population (minorities and never trump people) I referred to in this comment. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we see a record number of Hispanic votes, and I think we know which way they will pick.

 

I really hope you guys don't think this is a "never Trump" thing because it's not. It's just what the United States is a population of people. I'm not voting for either, and I don't care what that means for the future of the office. I cannot vote for either person in good faith. I can just see through all the crap and realize Trump is going to lose, and it likely won't even be close.

 

Until the GOP realizes old rich white dudes who make seemingly racist or otherwise out of touch comments (remember 47% of the population won't vote for me so I don't care?) DON'T WIN, expect more democrats in the white house.

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The fact that trump hasnt already closed this deal gven

How much people loathe hillary at this point, speaks volumes how much people font like trump. Ed seemingly cannot accept this plainly evident reality.

 

Me personally im not voting for either of them. If trump wins great, show me something in 4 years. If he remains the asshat he's been ill literally go door to door campaining for whatever runs against him in 4 years.

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The fact that trump hasnt already closed this deal gven
How much people loathe hillary at this point, speaks volumes how much people font like trump. Ed seemingly cannot accept this plainly evident reality.

Me personally im not voting for either of them. If trump wins great, show me something in 4 years. If he remains the asshat he's been ill literally go door to door campaining for whatever runs against him in 4 years.

 

You're the type of guy who'd bitch about Trump bringing the parents of people killed by illegal immigrants on stage, but cheer and cry when Obama brings the parents of people killed by guns on stage to push gun control.

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I already bet Tour a case of beer, but I'd be willing to do another.

 

Can't say no to free beer.

 

 

Where do you live? I'm a big craft beer guy-I'll go a 12 pack of South Florida's finest against a 12 pack of the best local brews in your area.

 

I thank you in advance for those my friend.

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Where do you live? I'm a big craft beer guy-I'll go a 12 pack of South Florida's finest against a 12 pack of the best local brews in your area.

 

I thank you in advance for those my friend.

 

Cleveland, we have many of the best breweries of course - we need our beer.

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0-2. Wanna make a 3rd unfounded assumption so you can go sit back in the dugout?

 

Tbh fam your political opinions seem to change on the daily.

 

One day you're talking about white privilege, one day you're a libertarian and the next you're a socialist, talk about gun control then go buy an ar-15 the next day.

 

I don't think they're unfounded.

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Ive "never" advocated a gun ban. What u falsely remember of my talk of gun control is of pissibly introducing more stringent qualifications akin to what tje military requires. But even with that those were just ideas i was throwing around.

 

And ive been open and honest how my views on guns have slid somewhat to the right because of #zombiesarecoming

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I'm looking forward to sipping some cold texas beers after November 8th.

 

Expect Trump to take the lead in the polls by the end of next week, and never look back.

 

One way or the other that is likely to happen... maybe even in time for Thanksgiving. Just found a local micro that does some nice porters...

 

Trump is virtually tied in the latest fox poll, who is A rated by 538.

 

Good... I can use 538. Odds for HRC have dropped from 4:1 to 3:1 over the past week.

 

And theres a lot of undecideds.

 

Agree... and these are the last to get engaged.

 

I know Trump is doing nothing to gain them, but do they know that?

 

Meanwhile HRC is "reaching" beyond them to disenfranchised GOP. Could be folly...

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Good... I can use 538. Odds for HRC have dropped from 4:1 to 3:1 over the past week.

 

 

Trump is certainly trending upwards, pretty big climb in only a few short weeks.

 

I suspect Hillary's camp is in a war room frantically figuring out how to stop that trend.

 

Trump's biggest weakness are the words "dangerous" and "unpresidential" He's been doing his best to prove otherwise, and succeeding so far.

 

The first debate will enormous, likely being the most watched in history.

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Where do you live? I'm a big craft beer guy-I'll go a 12 pack of South Florida's finest against a 12 pack of the best local brews in your area.

 

I thank you in advance for those my friend.

 

Saved for November. I can't for the life of me see why you guys think this will be a lock for Hillary. You've already ruled out so many possibilities, including a strong debate performance by Trump. You're assuming that the size of the silent Trump voters will be negligible (see Brexit as to why it won't be). You're assuming that the polls and trends from previous years will hold true for this year.

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They're also assuming all the blacks will come out in droves to vote for some fat old white bitch like they did for Obammy. Won't happen.

 

While I believe that Trump is going to win in a landslide, I think that they'd have a solid case against that argument. I just don't think there is enough evidence at this moment to call it a cut and clear hillary victory.

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Saved for November. I can't for the life of me see why you guys think this will be a lock for Hillary. You've already ruled out so many possibilities, including a strong debate performance by Trump. You're assuming that the size of the silent Trump voters will be negligible (see Brexit as to why it won't be). You're assuming that the polls and trends from previous years will hold true for this year.

 

I said it before (and validated it in this thread) but strong debates on either side just don't matter. People either Hate Trump, Hate Hilldawg, or hate both. There's no inbetween like there often is in other elections, and someone "winning" a debate I seriously doubt will have any impact.

 

I'm not too sure Brexit and this are the same thing either. Great Britain has a 87% white population, whereas the U.S. is around 63%. You are STRONGLY underestimating (and so has the GOP for over a decade now) what the minority vote means in this country. I know this isn't the best way to do it, but let's assume that even 40% of the white population will vote Trump and 20 some odd % Hillary. What do you honestly think the minority vote will look like, especially in the Hispanic demographic? Black and Hispanic voters my guess will be over 95% for Hillary. That's the type of thing that swings the elections and the reason Obama was two-term president and Hillary will win easily this November.

 

If I've said it once I've said it 100 times. Until the GOP realizes old, rich white people will no longer win in this country they will not control the White House.

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I said it before (and validated it in this thread) but strong debates on either side just don't matter. People either Hate Trump, Hate Hilldawg, or hate both. There's no inbetween like there often is in other elections, and someone "winning" a debate I seriously doubt will have any impact.

 

I'm not too sure Brexit and this are the same thing either. Great Britain has a 87% white population, whereas the U.S. is around 63%. You are STRONGLY underestimating (and so has the GOP for over a decade now) what the minority vote means in this country. I know this isn't the best way to do it, but let's assume that even 40% of the white population will vote Trump and 20 some odd % Hillary. What do you honestly think the minority vote will look like, especially in the Hispanic demographic? Black and Hispanic voters my guess will be over 95% for Hillary. That's the type of thing that swings the elections and the reason Obama was two-term president and Hillary will win easily this November.

 

If I've said it once I've said it 100 times. Until the GOP realizes old, rich white people will no longer win in this country they will not control the White House.

Which really is hilarious because Hillary is bought and paid for and controlled by old rich white people. And beholden to them. She only pandas to the dregs.

 

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Does the GOP need to reach out more to minority voters yes but if that involves embracing hate groups like black lives matter and cater to that group like the they did at the DNC convention then no thanks...that is a bridge too far.

 

Give Trump credit for trying at least.

 

Of course the headlines that run about it are like: "Trump is shamelessly pandering to minorities", "Trump thinks minorities are stupid", or "What can Trump do for minority communites? Nothing"

 

But the idea that inner city minority communitites have been voting Democrat for 50 years and they're worse off than they ever were is probably the best line of attack Trump can take.

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I said it before (and validated it in this thread) but strong debates on either side just don't matter. People either Hate Trump, Hate Hilldawg, or hate both. There's no inbetween like there often is in other elections, and someone "winning" a debate I seriously doubt will have any impact.

 

I'm not too sure Brexit and this are the same thing either. Great Britain has a 87% white population, whereas the U.S. is around 63%. You are STRONGLY underestimating (and so has the GOP for over a decade now) what the minority vote means in this country. I know this isn't the best way to do it, but let's assume that even 40% of the white population will vote Trump and 20 some odd % Hillary. What do you honestly think the minority vote will look like, especially in the Hispanic demographic? Black and Hispanic voters my guess will be over 95% for Hillary. That's the type of thing that swings the elections and the reason Obama was two-term president and Hillary will win easily this November.

 

If I've said it once I've said it 100 times. Until the GOP realizes old, rich white people will no longer win in this country they will not control the White House.

 

You're a little late if you think that the GOP is the party for old, rich white people - those folks are the never Trumpers. Trump has hijacked the party and taken all of their favored candidates out of contention. It's not the old, rich white people who are going to give Trump the election; it's the pissed off, poor white people. If he increases the voter turnout in that demographic as much as I think he will, he really will only need marginal gains among minorities, women, and the college educated to get the win.

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You're a little late if you think that the GOP is the party for old, rich white people - those folks are the never Trumpers. Trump has hijacked the party and taken all of their favored candidates out of contention. It's not the old, rich white people who are going to give Trump the election; it's the pissed off, poor white people. If he increases the voter turnout in that demographic as much as I think he will, he really will only need marginal gains among minorities, women, and the college educated to get the win.

One of the latest polls had Trump polling at just over 20% of African Americans nationwide..

 

That would be significantly more than Romney or McCain got

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Saved for November. I can't for the life of me see why you guys think this will be a lock for Hillary. You've already ruled out so many possibilities, including a strong debate performance by Trump. You're assuming that the size of the silent Trump voters will be negligible (see Brexit as to why it won't be). You're assuming that the polls and trends from previous years will hold true for this year.

 

Ditto on the "saved" part... but not sure it's necessary. Plenty of evidence all over for "I told you so" time... either way.

 

As for the rest... no, not a lock. Have to get odds a good bit higher than 3:1 for anything to be a lock... at least in my "book".

 

Debate impact? Always possible one candidate or another will implode spectacularly, but the far more likely outcome will be that each side will see there candidate as having won at least 2 of the 3. The only rising certainty I see is that they will be one-on-one as Johnson's run into double digit support seems to have stalled and reversed.

 

Assumptions about "silent" voters seem to be all be coming from the right. The rest of us are simply skeptical and see it as a rationalization of the current polls.

 

"Brexit" was tantamount to an immigrant ban by a country with a limited immigrant experience. Its applicability to the US is tenuous at best.

 

Poll trends... I will only say that there is a reason moves become trends. Before we would likely resolve any disagreement over their applicability to this atypical election, the election will resolve it.

 

If I've said it once I've said it 100 times. Until the GOP realizes old, rich white people will no longer win in this country they will not control the White House.

 

Yet Trump is having issues retaining the young, college educated, white vote... a demographic that Romney won easily. In fact:

 

Trump May Become The First Republican In 60 Years To Lose White College Graduates

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-may-become-the-first-republican-in-60-years-to-lose-white-college-graduates/

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Assumptions about "silent" voters seem to be all be coming from the right. The rest of us are simply skeptical and see it as a rationalization of the current polls.

 

 

Yet Trump is having issues retaining the young, college educated, white vote... a demographic that Romney won easily. In fact:

 

I'm a Trump supporter, but I'm pretty sure most people here would consider me to be far from right wing. Like I said, he won't need to win college educated if he increases turnout among poor whites. In previous elections, only 25% of impoverished people voted. There are 20 million impoverished whites. I expect Trump to tap into that demographic much like Obama did for blacks.

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Does the GOP need to reach out more to minority voters yes but if that involves embracing hate groups like black lives matter and cater to that group like the dems did at the DNC convention then no thanks...that is a bridge too far.

 

That the GOP sees BLM as a "hate group" is the reason they cannot reach out.

 

One of the latest polls had Trump polling at just over 20% of African Americans nationwide..

 

Found one at 20% in Florida, but none nationwide.

 

And Ipsos puts him ahead in Wisconsin, and neck and neck in Michigan. Wisconsin has been blue since the 80s.

 

The landslide is coming

 

Wisconsin odds are 3:1 HRC... Michigan's are 4:1.

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