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Pro life orgs have to refer to abortion services ? liberal california = hellhole

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calfoxwc Grand Master

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and the libs would love for all of our country to be california.
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Liberty Counsel has filed its opening brief with the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals inMountain Right to Life v. Kamala Harris that challenges California's Assembly Bill 775, which imposes onerous notification and disclosure requirements on pro-life crisis pregnancy centers.

Liberty Counsel represents three pro-life crisis pregnancy centers in Southern California, all of which offer women experiencing crisis pregnancies resources, counseling, advice, and alternatives to abortion. All of the centers are faith-based and will not refer women for abortions.
Pressured by the abortion industry, liberal lawmakers are forcing these pro-life centers to promote the availability of abortion services in nearby facilities.

Under the California law, all licensed and unlicensed pregnancy counseling centers in the state are required to post the following government-prescribed message in their facilities and in their advertising or be fined $500 for the first violation and $1,000 for each additional violation:
"California has public programs that provide immediate free or low-cost access to comprehensive family planning services (including all FDA-approved methods of contraception), prenatal care and abortion for eligible women."

Centers not licensed by the State of California must post a notice that they are not a licensed medical facility. Licensed crisis pregnancy centers must alsoprovide women the phone number to social services.
AB 775 requires that these faith-based, crisis pregnancy centers utter a state-drafted, pro-abortion message and encourage women to commit human genocide. This unbelievable government mandate is an example of the evolution of political correctness. This law forces pregnancy help centers and staff to be puppets of the state and advertise the state's abortion message. This forced speech violates the First Amendment.
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Abortion is wrong. Trying to save a baby is not. So yeah it's way different.

You beleive abortion is wrong. For every woman that regrets having one there is at least 1-2 others who will say at the time it was the best call for both mother and child. Some women will tell you they were able to maintain a better position in life so when they were ready to have children they did and those kids were better off for it.

 

Left to conservative men though abortion becomes illegal on both cases of rape and health of the mother. And women slide back to being baby chattle.

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You don't like it. Therefore you think this is some great intrusion.

 

But there is a much bigger intrusion that you are fine with, because it leads to what you want.

 

 

 

Some of you read like a book. You lack any self awareness and just spout off the buzzwords you're told to

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but "less of a person" doesn't mean "okay to murder", no matter how you judge.

 

Is a 10 year old autistic child less of a person than a scientist?

 

and, that means the autistic child's live should be able to be ended just because?

 

Less civil rights out of helplessness to a degree?

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Sure, call it a range of "humanity".

 

Start with a sperm cell. End with a full, functioning adult. Where on that scale do you draw the line?

 

I see nothing wrong with aborting a first trimester fetus. Using a bunch of nouns and adverbs to make it seem like an actual child is just word play. It is an echo chamber effect to make you seem right, without adding anything to the debate.

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Posted Today, 08:55 AM

at conception a unique individual with its own unique DNA has been started. Killing this person is murder.PE

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Exactly. That DNA identifies the mammal as a human being. At the earliest stages, the DNA signals

sex, physical characteristics, etc.

 

At the earliest stage of

helplessness, it's all the more important to protect children's rights to live, and grow.

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I will go so far as to say it is a necessary evil and a kid got spared living in horrid conditions, facing abuse of all sorts, and likely a life of being a criminal that we all have to deal with. Ugly business but I prefer the process be an option.

on the extreme worst case scenarios, it's a hellish question. A very sickly, heroin addiction, damaged DNA child..

 

a hellish question. I think more of the biological "parents" should face capital punishment for what they

knowingly did to the child, than capital punishment for the child.It's become a widespread cover for irresponsible,

selfish behavior. Do I admit to understanding the issue in terms of rape? absolutely. But that can be resolved in

a few days, or a week. It isn't a matter of development of a healthy, fully formed child, even to the pba horror that

obamao accepts 100%.

In my view, that is condoning irresponsible behavior to get votes... carried to the horrific extreme. Abortion across

the board is pandering for votes.

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A question for double standard hypocritical libtatds.. explain how is taking the life of a child in the womb not murder, but if someone murders a pregnant woman and the fetus dies it is considered a double homicide?

 

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law which recognizes a child in utero as a legal victim, if they are injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb".[1]

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and they rail against capital punishment for very dangerous, violent criminals...

 

but they support all capital punishment for innocent unborn healthy children.

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Worse than forcing a woman to get an ultrasound before being allowed to get an abortion?

In honesty it's probably just to force her to realize that this fetus is actually human. For the pro-abortion attitude to work it's imperative that we think of a fetus as nothing more than a wart.

 

Here's a comparison. People who are gung-ho death penalty might be given pause to consider that stance if they were forced to stand in the room and look at the person's face as he died.

 

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or, people who are against the death penalty would change their mind if they watched a security

video of a violent, horrific torturous crime.

 

More information gives a far better op to make a correct decision.

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In honesty it's probably just to force her to realize that this fetus is actually human. For the pro-abortion attitude to work it's imperative that we think of a fetus as nothing more than a wart.

 

Here's a comparison. People who are gung-ho death penalty might be given pause to consider that stance if they were forced to stand in the room and look at the person's face as he died.

 

WSS

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But there are states that require a half dozen or so witnesses to be present. For me it would be easier to watch an unremorseful murderer die than an innocent child that never had a chance.

Could never watch its limbs being torn apart.

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MLD Woody Grand Master

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Posted Today, 08:55 AM

 

at conception a unique individual with its own unique DNA has been started. Killing this person is murder.PE

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Exactly. That DNA identifies the mammal as a human being. At the earliest stages, the DNA signals

sex, physical characteristics, etc.

 

At the earliest stage of

helplessness, it's all the more important to protect children's rights to live, and grow.

A sperm cell can do a lot of that too

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In honesty it's probably just to force her to realize that this fetus is actually human. For the pro-abortion attitude to work it's imperative that we think of a fetus as nothing more than a wart.

 

Here's a comparison. People who are gung-ho death penalty might be given pause to consider that stance if they were forced to stand in the room and look at the person's face as he died.

 

WSS

It is an invasion of privacy on the woman because they disagree with her.

 

I would saw a forced ultrasound is much worse than "hey, you could get an abortion too"

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