Pro life orgs have to refer to abortion services ? liberal california = hellhole

[calfoxwc]

a child has DNA from BOTH PARENTS.

 

research first. A baby's heart begins to beat

a little over two weeks from conception.

[Clevfan4life]

 

research first. A baby's heart begins to beat

a little over two weeks from conception.

 

Which is an irrelevant factoid since ur side beleives that an abortion 24 hrs after conception is the same as a 3rd trimester

[MLD Woody]

Which is an irrelevant factoid since ur side beleives that an abortion 24 hrs after conception is the same as a 3rd trimester

Yeah. This.

 

You said its baby murder at conception. Which is insane

[MLD Woody]

a child has DNA from BOTH PARENTS.

 

research first. A baby's heart begins to beat

a little over two weeks from conception.

I never claimed otherwise

[Westside Steve]

It is an invasion of privacy on the woman because they disagree with her.

 

I would saw a forced ultrasound is much worse than "hey, you could get an abortion too"

Yes I assumed that's what you would say. Still, there's absolutely nothing horrendous about an ultrasound.

WSS

[Westside Steve]

At one cell It's "murdering a child"

And at 9 months minus 6 hours it's a tumor.

So there you go.

 

WSS

[StinkHole]

And at 9 months minus 6 hours it's a tumor.

So there you go.

 

WSS

Stuart

 

Or a parasite.

[MLD Woody]

And at 9 months minus 6 hours it's a tumor.

So there you go.

 

WSS

 

Both are equally Retarded

[MLD Woody]

Yes I assumed that's what you would say. Still, there's absolutely nothing horrendous about an ultrasound.

WSS

 

I said invasion of privacy. Horrendous is subjective.

[Westside Steve]

 

I said invasion of privacy. Horrendous is subjective.

Every part of every medical examination is invasion of privacy.

 

We know why conservatives want it and we know why the liberals do not.

WSS

[MLD Woody]

Every part of every medical examination is invasion of privacy.

 

We know why conservatives want it and we know why the liberals do not.

WSS

Yes but generally those medical procedures are required or elective.

 

And why do conservatives want it but liberals' don't?

[VaporTrail]

Here's two cents from the medical side of things. What we're being taught now is that patient autonomy is pretty much #1. If they've got it together mentally, then the physician is going to do what they can to address the patient's wishes. If a physician is not comfortable with an abortion, they are well within their right to not conduct abortion procedures. They must, however, put the patient in touch with providers who will perform the desired service.

 

Being a physician isn't about making choices for the patient, it's about informing them of the options that are available and letting the patient decide for themselves what they're going to do.

[Westside Steve]

Yes but generally those medical procedures are required or elective.

 

And why do conservatives want it but liberals' don't?

To support the opposite sides of the argument. Conservatives want the woman to see the fetus looking like an actual baby and possibly dissuade her from having the abortion. The pro-choicers want a disassociation between the fetus and the procedure. It's a simple as that Woody.

You think otherwise?

 

WSS

[VaporTrail]

To support the opposite sides of the argument. Conservatives want the woman to see the fetus looking like an actual baby and possibly dissuade her from having the abortion. The pro-choicers want a disassociation between the fetus and the procedure. It's a simple as that Woody.

You think otherwise?

 

WSS

 

I think it's unnecessary and serves as nothing more than an attempted guilt trip - it's not a doctor's job to guilt trip people into a procedure, and the times I've seen it done for other procedures, it's done nothing but antagonize the patient. There is no benefit for the patient in doing so, and as such it's an unnecessary medical procedure.

[calfoxwc]

OTH, it gives the woman a chance not to ruin her life to the point of suicide.

[OldBrownsFan]

OTH, it gives the woman a chance not to ruin her life to the point of suicide.

 

You have a few sociopathic women who can have multiple abortions and never feel even a twinge of guilt but all of the women I know who had an abortion felt extreme guilt over it.

[MLD Woody]

OTH, it gives the woman a chance not to ruin her life to the point of suicide.

 

... and on the other hand, farming increases your chances of committing suicide. We can't let people go around farming either.

 

 

 

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/867365

 

"The suicide rate was highest among farming, fishing, and forestry workers (84.5 suicides per 100,000 persons"

[StinkHole]

Here's two cents from the medical side of things. What we're being taught now is that patient autonomy is pretty much #1. If they've got it together mentally, then the physician is going to do what they can to address the patient's wishes. If a physician is not comfortable with an abortion, they are well within their right to not conduct abortion procedures. They must, however, put the patient in touch with providers who will perform the desired service.

 

Being a physician isn't about making choices for the patient, it's about informing them of the options that are available and letting the patient decide for themselves what they're going to do.

Stuart

 

You're a physician Vapor? That's fantastic!...let me guess, an anesthesiologist?

 

Eh bad guess...nitrous oxide, desflurane, isoflurane are not really vapors.

[Pumpkin Eater]

Yes but generally those medical procedures are required or elective.

 

And why do conservatives want it but liberals' don't?

Lol no one makes anyone get an abortion here. Duh.

[Westside Steve]

 

I think it's unnecessary and serves as nothing more than an attempted guilt trip - it's not a doctor's job to guilt trip people into a procedure, and the times I've seen it done for other procedures, it's done nothing but antagonize the patient. There is no benefit for the patient in doing so, and as such it's an unnecessary medical procedure.

First of course it's a guilt trip. Conscience should probably be part of the decision . Is it better to hide that part ? Does that make it a more informed decision? Second if you don't think Drs try to influence people about procedures you're out of your mind.

 

WSS

[MLD Woody]

Lol no one makes anyone get an abortion here. Duh.

The added procedure serves no medical purpose

[DieHardBrownsFan]

The VA doctors do that is for sure.

[Pumpkin Eater]

The added procedure serves no medical purpose

It's not nearly as invasive as dilating a woman's cervix and insterting torture devices into her uterus through her vagina and cutting her child to pieces.

[hammertime]

Do the crime , do the time.

 

Murderers will face,judgement at some point.

[tiamat63]

First of course it's a guilt trip. Conscience should probably be part of the decision . Is it better to hide that part ? Does that make it a more informed decision? Second if you don't think Drs try to influence people about procedures you're out of your mind.

 

WSS

 

All this proves is that personal influence needs to be removed from the exam room entirely.

[MLD Woody]

It's not nearly as invasive as dilating a woman's cervix and insterting torture devices into her uterus through her vagina and cutting her child to pieces.

Which is necessary for the procedure she elected to have

[Westside Steve]

 

All this proves is that personal influence needs to be removed from the exam room entirely.

It doesn't prove anything sir. It proves that the pro abortion proponents don't want conscience considered.

 

A great example would be showing women after pictures when they want breast reduction surgery specifically referencing the disappointment in the faces of the men that look at her.

 

WSS

[VaporTrail]

First of course it's a guilt trip. Conscience should probably be part of the decision . Is it better to hide that part ? Does that make it a more informed decision? Second if you don't think Drs try to influence people about procedures you're out of your mind.

 

WSS

 

There is no reason that the government should mandate the ultrasound be done. If churches want to guilt you into not getting an abortion, then they're free to put up bumper stickers and billboards of aborted fetuses and telling us how we support murder. Keep the medicine side out of it and as neutral a party as possible.

[tiamat63]

Vapor said what I was going to.

 

It's not the governments place to guilt trip anyone or make someone examine their conscience.

[calfoxwc]

then why require dr's to refer patients to abortion doctors?

 

that is gov forcing influence.