Pumpkin Eater Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 To discourage Trump voters in Colorado and Arizona from voting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted November 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 Even though she will end up losing those states Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 Sounds plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 To discourage Trump voters in Colorado and Arizona from voting. The corrupt media is also calling several states for Trump: http://www.270towin.com So, what is your point, exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 Florida later than PA since part of the panhandle is in the Central time zone. Big (legitimate) dust up over that a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 The corrupt media is also calling several states for Trump: http://www.270towin.com So, what is your point, exactly? It's pretty clear hes talking about on Tuesday while polls are open. If they call Florida for Hillary then people in the West would assume the race is over and not vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted November 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 Yeah that's exactly what I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 If they call Florida for Hillary then people in the West would assume the race is over and not vote Not very motivated if they do... And it still cuts both ways as HRC voters may relax as much or more than Trump voters are discouraged. Fact is with nearly 70% of the expected Florida vote expected to be early voting, the state may be an early call. But it all depends upon how close the count is and as PE pointed out earlier in my Target thread (and it finally sunk in), 538 does have the state as a toss-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 Didn't somebody change some kind of rule so that the news wasn't allowed to report results of states on the East Coast until voting was over? If not, they should. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 The corrupt media is also calling several states for Trump: http://www.270towin.com So, what is your point, exactly? Stuart Good question because you missed his point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 It's pretty clear hes talking about on Tuesday while polls are open. If they call Florida for Hillary then people in the West would assume the race is over and not vote Yeah that's exactly what I meant. My bad, I initially thought you were referring to network polls conducted before the election, like polls in battleground states. But, yeah, I can see your argument there. I think if a battleground state was called for either candidate before polls closed, that could have a negative impact on voter turnout from the opposing candidate's potential voting base. I think that might of happened to John Kerry in Florida in 2004, but i'm not 100% on that. Didn't somebody change some kind of rule so that the news wasn't allowed to report results of states on the East Coast until voting was over? If not, they should. WSS I don't think its a law, but more of a gentlemen's agreement between networks to not disclose exit poll data until the polls. Or, at least it was during the last presidential election. But yeah, I agree that there should probably be some sort of law to ban releasing exit poll data until all polls are closed. Some other countries around the world prohibit releasing exit poll results until all polls are closed, and some outright ban exit polling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Didn't somebody change some kind of rule so that the news wasn't allowed to report results of states on the East Coast until voting was over? If not, they should. Excellent question... From Florida: Please be aware that while Florida polls close at 7 p.m., Florida has two time zones. Voting will not be completed statewide until 7 p.m. Central / 8 p.m. Eastern, at which time, unofficial preliminary election results will be released. AKA... waitin' on the Panhandle... then begin releasing vote counts... Can't find answer as to when News Orgs begin announcing "and we can now project a winner" of individual states for the National race. But I am sure it is after all the polls in a given state are closed. I think the 2000 klusterfook (to borrow a phrase) included a Florida call before panhandle polls were closed... the first of a few erroneous calls that nite. As for making a national call... not turning up any restrictions, but the most recent hit was from 2008 survey of the networks by the NYT where all seemed good to go as soon as they were "sure"... http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/04/us/politics/04network.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 If the race is as close as it's been polled I can't see them calling Florida before 10pm anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 If the race is as close as it's been polled I can't see them calling Florida before 10pm anyway I think if Trump loses Florida, it'll be because of the Hispanic votes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 I think if Trump loses Florida, it'll be because of the Hispanic votes Lots of Cubans though which isn't exactly the same thing as Mexicans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Lots of Cubans though which isn't exactly the same thing as Mexicans I don't think Trump sees a difference. And when it comes to the negative effects of Trump's comments, I don't think it really matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 I don't think Trump sees a difference. And when it comes to the negative effects of Trump's comments, I don't think it really matters. Trust me, I can provide very accurate context on this. There's two types of Cubans-pro Cuba (liberal) and anti-Cuba (republican). Living in South Florida and knowing a lot of Cubans rich and poor this is a VERY mixed bag, In general, more are anti-Cuba (aka republican) believe it or not which is hurting the liberal cause due to Obama. I can speak to this knowing folks fairly known in the SoFlo Cuban community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Trust me, I can provide very accurate context on this. There's two types of Cubans-pro Cuba (liberal) and anti-Cuba (republican). Living in South Florida and knowing a lot of Cubans rich and poor this is a VERY mixed bag, In general, more are anti-Cuba (aka republican) believe it or not which is hurting the liberal cause due to Obama. I can speak to this knowing folks fairly known in the SoFlo Cuban community. Not from Florida but I've also heard that Trump has pretty strong Cuban support. Which is why I've heard the Hispanic vote will likely be more pro-Trump in Florida than in places like Nevada and Arizona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Not from Florida but I've also heard that Trump has pretty strong Cuban support. Which is why I've heard the Hispanic vote will likely be more pro-Trump in Florida than in places like Nevada and Arizona. Problem is though, Cuban support while strong isn't the whole story. Trump should badly lose every other minority group here which of course is a lot. Outside of Cubans the other strong ethnic groups will definitely not vote Trump.That's why as I've noted I think FL this year will serve as an incredible case study for future elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted November 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Supposedly Trump is doubling Romney's support amongst blacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Excellent question... From Florida: Please be aware that while Florida polls close at 7 p.m., Florida has two time zones. Voting will not be completed statewide until 7 p.m. Central / 8 p.m. Eastern, at which time, unofficial preliminary election results will be released.AKA... waitin' on the Panhandle... then begin releasing vote counts... Can't find answer as to when News Orgs begin announcing "and we can now project a winner" of individual states for the National race. But I am sure it is after all the polls in a given state are closed. I think the 2000 klusterfook (to borrow a phrase) included a Florida call before panhandle polls were closed... the first of a few erroneous calls that nite. As for making a national call... not turning up any restrictions, but the most recent hit was from 2008 survey of the networks by the NYT where all seemed good to go as soon as they were "sure"... http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/04/us/politics/04network.html Yeah I couldn't find any actual restrictions either. I would assume the news outlets would be loath to give up any means within their power to affect the election. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 From Florida: Please be aware that while Florida polls close at 7 p.m., Florida has two time zones. Voting will not be completed statewide until 7 p.m. Central / 8 p.m. Eastern, at which time, unofficial preliminary election results will be released. AKA... waitin' on the Panhandle... then begin releasing vote counts... ***************************************************************************************** The big mistake in Florida in 2000 Bush/Gore race was calling the race before all the polls in the largely republican panhandle ....I wonder how many votes that cost Bush suppressing the vote in the panhandle? Certainly the media have learned their lesson by now...and the panhandle will have to come in bigger than ever for Trump to win Florida with the heavy early voting of Latino/Hispanic voters who have already voted early and likely went for Clinton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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