calfoxwc Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 http://www.ammoland.com/2016/11/im-wyatt-earp-and-progressivism-ends-now/?utm_source=Ammoland+Subscribers&utm_campaign=ab744bdddc-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6f6fac3eaa-ab744bdddc-20770865#axzz4Po6kywq5 About how we got to progressivism, and how we need to not go back there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 http://www.ammoland.com/2016/11/thank-you-for-your-historic-vote/?utm_source=Ammoland+Subscribers&utm_campaign=ab744bdddc-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6f6fac3eaa-ab744bdddc-20770865#axzz4Po6kywq5 http://www.ammoland.com/2016/11/historic-election-night-second-amendment/?utm_source=Ammoland+Subscribers&utm_campaign=ab744bdddc-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6f6fac3eaa-ab744bdddc-20770865#axzz4Po6kywq5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 Progressivism isn't dead.... One not really conservative anomaly candidate beating the worst Dem candidate doesn't equate to the end of progressivism. So we'll never progress as a society from here on out? We'll never let gays marry? We'll stay where we are or go backwards? If this happened in the past, would you be cheering that blacks would stay second class citizens or women couldn't vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 Let him have his time woody. He still thinks trump is some constantinian like president who's going to throw sodomites in jail and start burning witches again. Despite the fact the guy is about as antithesis to jesus's teachings as anyone you could pull off the st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 Conservatives rule the country. More governors are conservative and I think more state legislators are conservative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 Conservatives rule the country. More governors are conservative and I think more state legislators are conservative. And when the pendulum swings, again, liberals will be shouting that they now run this bitch. Ur all monkeys. I think a few of u see whats going on but most of u.....just dont get it and never will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 the vast majority of governors are Republican now. Republicans control the presidency...soon.. and both houses of Congress. Progressivism doesn't solve problems, it makes changes for their own benefit, and when their changes fail, they just find some stupid misdirecting blame to put somewhere else, usually on "we didn't get to do enough of what we did"... Progressivism is a utopian false "god" to liberals. Eight years of Clintons, and eight years of obamao, and the inner cities are still destitute, plaqued by violent crime, more terrorists flooding in beecause of the utopian/stupidass ideal of theirs, that open dangerous borders are somehow an upper sophisticated progressive improvement overall.... Just radical hateful, anti-everything bs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 U forgot 8 years of bush.....or do u not remember there was a two term president in between clinton and obama? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 And nothing changed during those 8 years either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 Conservativism, by definition, doesn't solve problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 Conservativism, by definition, doesn't solve problems. It does if u stfu, kill ur soul and know ur damn role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 Makes the great impostor in the sky very happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 U forgot 8 years of bush.....or do u not remember there was a two term president in between clinton and obama? why would I bring up Bush into a discussion about progressiveism? He wasn't a progressive. idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 why would I bring up Bush into a discussion about progressiveism? He wasn't a progressive. idiot. Yeah. Why would he bring up the thing that hurts his argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 there goes woodypeckerhead again. He can quelch his birdbrainness for a while, but it keeps leaking out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 why would I bring up Bush into a discussion about progressiveism? He wasn't a progressive. idiot. Because ur conveniently leaving out 8 years of non progressivism where also nothing changed. Bringing us to the inevitable conclusion that some problems are far far far more complicated than "proggressivism vs conservatism" can explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 you are changing the subject, as usual. The subject is progressivism, which has morphed into huge government solves all problems. That Bush didn't solve those problems either, means he just maintained the status quo. He was not a progressive. Giant gov creates a lot of problems, and hasn't solved any of them. So, tyr to keep up, Cleve - Progressivism - very bad, no solutions. Bush, maintain status quo - not good, no solutions. So, in effect, we had clinton, super marxist/progressive that solves no problems, obaMao - a super marxist/leninist/sombeitch/racist hatemongering piece of crap work, ... vs Trump - who may very well drain the swamp. That is the crossroads. Let the corruption skyrocket out of control forever.... or elect the one guy who is brash enough to actually change things for the American people. Trump won, THANKFULLY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 Ok, so apparently bush was slightly too left for u as well. Fair enough....so how bout Reagan? Did anything change under him either? No it didn't. Which brings me back to ur ridiculously over simplistic assertion progressivism solves nothing. It's almost too laughable to debate because anybody who's even marginally serious about this issue has never framed it as prof vs cons. That argument is for jokers and clowns to have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 How about taking some time and learning the meanings of words you use? You don't make sense with your rambling. Both Bush and Reagan had dem Congresses. obaMao had a dem controlled Congress for two years, and his progressivism still failed. you can't run your mouth about progressivism being the way to go, and then trying to bail on it, and say other presidents didn't solve problems, either. You progressives failed. Liberalism FAILED. Your obaMao was worse than doing nothing. Reagan and Bush were never racists. Obamao was. Reagan and Bush were never socialists - Obamao was. Reagan and Bush defended our Constitution - Obamao had a dim view of it, and undermined it. You can't brag on progressivism being the ultimate problem solver anymore. It's toast. That is why Trump won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Wow u dont read well do u? This is why why having intelligent conversation with u is meaningless, u straw man every everything. Its all u can do because you have no real personal convictions therefore not the ability to properly disseminate others actual positions. U just queefed right through my assertion that this issue has nothing to do with prog vs cons. But since u only have bullets pre loaded for that discussion its all you have to shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Conservativism, by definition, doesn't solve problems. So all conservatism is bad and all Progressive policies are good? And if you're in accurate theory works there that would also mean conservatism also causes no problems. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Progressivism isn't dead.... One not really conservative anomaly candidate beating the worst Dem candidate doesn't equate to the end of progressivism. So we'll never progress as a society from here on out? We'll never let gays marry? We'll stay where we are or go backwards? If this happened in the past, would you be cheering that blacks would stay second class citizens or women couldn't vote? HRC was the most centrist candidate the Dems could offer. Bernie Sanders is way more progressive, and everyone is saying he would've beaten Trump because he appeals to the demographic that put Trump over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Yes bernie would have stomped on trump but as much ad i like him, still him wiining would be more a referendum on trump than people being all onboard with everything bernie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 HRC was the most centrist candidate the Dems could offer. Bernie Sanders is way more progressive, and everyone is saying he would've beaten Trump because he appeals to the demographic that put Trump over the top. Bernie appealed to the working class, union people. Hillary and the rest of the party ignored them. Even reportedly Bill said they needed to target that demographic but he was ignored too. -- I didn't really pay attention to this thread but the people that swayed the election were not progressives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Bernie appealed to the working class, union people. Hillary and the rest of the party ignored them. Even reportedly Bill said they needed to target that demographic but he was ignored too. -- I didn't really pay attention to this thread but the people that swayed the election were not progressives. True. What I'm saying though is that Bernie would've gotten the votes of the progressives as well as the union people, hence why he'd have won the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 True. What I'm saying though is that Bernie would've gotten the votes of the progressives as well as the union people, hence why he'd have won the election. Not quite sure that an open borders guy an abortion anytime for any reason guy is going to appeal to the blue collar unions. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 15, 2016 Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 So all conservatism is bad and all Progressive policies are good? And if you're in accurate theory works there that would also mean conservatism also causes no problems. WSS No, I never said all of one as good or all of one was bad. Follow along. Conservatism wouldn't cause problems, it would sustain them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted November 15, 2016 Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 Cleve and Woody.. That's a special brand of stoopid Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 15, 2016 Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 Cleve and Woody.. That's a special brand of stoopid Wow! Explain what I have said in this thread that's stupid. Just don't stumble over yourself too much. Fair warning... you might not find the right meme online as a response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 15, 2016 Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 No, I never said all of one as good or all of one was bad. Follow along. Conservatism wouldn't cause problems, it would sustain them. So for instance If You Think Public Safety is a problem and someone in government wanted to round up all violent criminals and execute them in the street that would be a liberal solution? If in fact that you believe change is good, and always good, well... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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