MLD Woody Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Really Ed? I was all for giving Trump a chance. Drain the swamp and what not. But not to bring in people that are just as bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Perfect match Woody. Global Warming is way too exaggerated as the earth warms itself as it has for years. Let the liberals ride their bicycles to Starbucks while I drive to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 dang, I love this appt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myron_Ebell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Perfect match Woody. Global Warming is way too exaggerated as the earth warms itself as it has for years. Let the liberals ride their bicycles to Starbucks while I drive to work. Cuz fuck those "experts" anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 say, why not just have "experts" say we need to tax food really high and make a lot of money to send to... poor countries..... you know. redistribute Rich countries wealth to poor countries. Any kind of stupid tax will work. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/11/19/uk-researchers-tax-food-to-reduce-climate-change/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Ebell also did lobbying work for Monsanto where he stated that chemicals they were putting on soy beans were not effecting bee populations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 In the 1990s, while serving as Policy Director at the Frontiers of Freedom Institute, Ebell worked as part of a team to make regulating the tobacco industry "politically unpalatable".[33] In 2011, as part of its "Control Abuse of Power" (CAP) project, the CEI launched lawsuits challenging the constitutionality of the 1998 tobacco Master Settlement Agreement (MSA).[34][35] You can call the next election. Trump is already loading the dems up with ammo. If the dems manage to run someone who's not the most corrupt politician to ever run for office, it's a smoke out..no pun intended. If he can't even get big tobacco right, wow..just wow. I guess we should still be allowing the tobacco industries to market to children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Generally, the participating manufacturers agree not to "take any action, directly or indirectly, to target Youth within any Settling State in the advertising, promotion or marketing of Tobacco Products, or take any action the primary purpose of which is to initiate, maintain or increase the incidence of Youth smoking within any Settling State." (§III(a)) The restrictions specified included bans on outdoor billboards, advertising on transit vehicles, as well as restrictions on sports marketing, event sponsorships and promotional products. That was part of the agreement Ebell fought. Trump is really surrounding himself with the "best and brightest" huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Still waiting to hear from Ed on this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Really Ed? I was all for giving Trump a chance. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Really Ed? I was all for giving Trump a chance. Drain the swamp and what not. But not to bring in people that are just as bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/science/myron-ebell-trump-epa.amp.html Oh, don't want to piss off Pierre. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 "Mr. Ebell, whose organization is financed in part by the coal industry," And the swamp just got 10 ft higher, beleive me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 I take it that the "W" stands for woodpecker? I ta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Really Ed? I was all for giving Trump a chance. Drain the swamp and what not. But not to bring in people that are just as bad. He's bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming. My question is what exactly should we be doing about global warming? We can't hamstring ourselves economically for the environment while India and China say fuck it and do whatever the hell they want and take advantage of whatever niche we'd be leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 He's bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming. My question is what exactly should we be doing about global warming? We can't hamstring ourselves economically for the environment while India and China say fuck it and do whatever the hell they want and take advantage of whatever niche we'd be leaving. Woody is our alarmist in chief and even he has no idea what to do about it. The left just want somebody to whine and wring their hands over it, not really to take any action. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 He's bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming. My question is what exactly should we be doing about global warming? We can't hamstring ourselves economically for the environment while India and China say fuck it and do whatever the hell they want and take advantage of whatever niche we'd be leaving. Right, but we can do that without a Climate Denier, pesticide harm Denier, and tobacco industry protector, that takes money for all of these, in charge of the EPA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Woody is our alarmist in chief and even he has no idea what to do about it. The left just want somebody to whine and wring their hands over it, not really to take any action. WSS I've given suggestions on what I think we could do, and yes, it involves regulation and taxes. Your responses on the subject have always been "we can't do anything, so why bother." Groundbreaking stuff. Jack shit will get done while we're still having to debate if climate change is happening. And now with this guy in charge, we are taking giant steps back. Fuck all of those scientists and experts any. What do they know? It's snowing outside! And fuck you trying to discredit me by calling me an alarmist. I haven't once come in here yelling about the world ending tomorrow. I'm listening to the experts on the subject, that say we're affecting the climate, and we should start doing something about it, to avoid negative consequences down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Oh he's a pesticidal denier too? What u think about that cal? Being the natural farmer u claim to be..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 I've given suggestions on what I think we could do, and yes, it involves regulation and taxes. Your responses on the subject have always been "we can't do anything, so why bother." Groundbreaking stuff. Jack shit will get done while we're still having to debate if climate change is happening. And now with this guy in charge, we are taking giant steps back. Fuck all of those scientists and experts any. What do they know? It's snowing outside! And fuck you trying to discredit me by calling me an alarmist. I haven't once come in here yelling about the world ending tomorrow. I'm listening to the experts on the subject, that say we're affecting the climate, and we should start doing something about it, to avoid negative consequences down the road. Waaaaaaaa, waaaaaaaaaaa, waaaaaaaaaa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 I've given suggestions on what I think we could do, and yes, it involves regulation and taxes. My issue with it is that the government and corporations will never do anything for long-term good at the expense short-term profits. We aren't going to see major attempts to slow manmade climate change until the climate makes it too expensive to fill up your tank or put food on your plate. As such, it's at the bottom of my list of priorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 My issue with it is that the government and corporations will never do anything for long-term good at the expense short-term profits. We aren't going to see major attempts to slow manmade climate change until the climate makes it too expensive to fill up your tank or put food on your plate. As such, it's at the bottom of my list of priorities. So don't do anything about it until it is a real problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erie Dawg Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 1.5 trillion dollars annually. Seems excessive. Wonder how much everyone else kicked in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 In fairness Woody jack shit has gotten done over the last 8 years of Obama rule. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 In fairness Woody jack shit has gotten done over the last 8 years of Obama rule. WSS The Paris agreement is something. We also generate more renewable energy now. It is hard to do much when you have to fight ignorant politicians at every turn. Ex: Which gets back to my point. It will be hard to do much when a sizable (and now controlling) portion of our govt. doesn't even believe it's an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 "And someday we may see this as the moment that we finally decided to save our planet." Hallelujah WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 So don't do anything about it until it is a real problem? Practically, I think that's where we are. We've got wind farms, solar farms, and nuclear power plants all over the country. We're working on fusion, but nowhere near a practical solution. A huge amount of greenhouse gas comes from the meat industry, and unless we either collectively go vegan (fuck that) or start using insects as a major protein source (much more open to this, but people will think it's disgusting), nothing is going to change. The other major culprit is the auto industry, and we seem to be making progress towards an electric car. What else should we be doing? If we back off shale and fracking, then we're living off the whims of the assholes in OPEC. I'm okay with taking steps toward combating it, but I don't think any serious changes will fly with the majority of taxpayers, therefore, it's at the bottom of my priorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 Practically, I think that's where we are. We've got wind farms, solar farms, and nuclear power plants all over the country. We're working on fusion, but nowhere near a practical solution. A huge amount of greenhouse gas comes from the meat industry, and unless we either collectively go vegan (fuck that) or start using insects as a major protein source (much more open to this, but people will think it's disgusting), nothing is going to change. The other major culprit is the auto industry, and we seem to be making progress towards an electric car. What else should we be doing? If we back off shale and fracking, then we're living off the whims of the assholes in OPEC. I'm okay with taking steps toward combating it, but I don't think any serious changes will fly with the majority of taxpayers, therefore, it's at the bottom of my priorities. Which is all well and good, but putting a climate denier in charge of the EPA moves us backwards. We don' have to tell everyone they need to be vegan, but we could at least agree it is a real thing and move forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erie Dawg Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 He's bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming. My question is what exactly should we be doing about global warming? We can't hamstring ourselves economically for the environment while India and China say fuck it and do whatever the hell they want and take advantage of whatever niche we'd be leaving. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 So, Vapor, you've been a fairly ardent Trump fan, does him 'bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming' make a difference for you? I mean, most people in government do actually have some idea what it's about, even if it's not their job, while this guy is heading up the environment agency? You can see also the other things he's involved in - coal, tobacco, deregulation etc - do you think this guy will be a force for good in terms of protecting the environment, the air, the rivers etc? Is he going to bang the drum for consequences for companies that dump waste irresponsibly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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