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Why do people on the right still get worked up over castro?

Clevfan4life

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Cleve - if you weren't suck a stupid asswhole flamer, we could have a

discussion with you...

 

but if this political board was a raccoon, you would be rabies. You're nuts.

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Other countries still traded with them. Castro's shitty economic policies are what fucked them over.

Do u seriously think that the U.S never leaned on those countries? Because cuba has come before the UN many times complaining of exactly that. Especislly on major energy exploration deals with european firms that the state dept got nixed. But i guess cuba was supposed to subsist solely on cigar exports?

 

Cmon guys ur smarter than this. You know full damn well that when the biggest economy in the world embargoes a small ass country like cuba, its over for the little guy. Arguing that point is asking me to debate special needs adults who still wear diapers, no interest on my part

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Wow.

 

 

 

Just wow.

 

 

 

You should go to Little Havana and inform all of the Cuban refugees of that.

 

If the world embargoed us we'd be in the same boat after a few decades. The lesser educated/skilled would be fleeing just tje same to go drive taxi's somewhere. And u can bet they would have nothing good to say about the elites that ran things here

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If the world embargoed us we'd be in the same boat after a few decades. The lesser educated/skilled would be fleeing just tje same to go drive taxi's somewhere. And u can bet they would have nothing good to say about the elites that ran things here

Yeah I'm sure the refugees are just making up the whole "my relatives were imprisoned and/or killed for dissenting" thing.

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They're still waiting to be reimbursed from Castro nationalizing their refineries in the 60s.

Aaaannddd heres why they did that....

 

"In October 1960, a key incident occurred that led to the Cuban government nationalizing all three American-owned oil refineries in the nation. Cuba nationalized the refineries following Eisenhower's decision to cancel 700,000 tons of sugar imports from Cuba to the U.S.[18] and refused to export oil to the island, leaving it reliant on Soviet crude oil that the American companies refused to refine, which led to Cuba's nationalization response. The refinery owners were never compensated for the nationalization of their property"

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Yeah I'm sure the refugees are just making up the whole "my relatives were imprisoned and/or killed for dissenting" thing.

Have u ever read of the lies the florida cubans have fabricated about the castro regime? And dont be stupid those are old batista ex pats they have a multitude of reasons for doing so. I rontbwhat to beleive when it comes to stories about castro becausebthey blew it out their ass alot about guevera.

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Fidel Castro’s greatest atrocities and crimes – Part 1

Fidel Castro is often portrayed as the “benevolent” dictator of Cuba, such portrayals are unarguably wrong. The evidence of his bloodthirsty and murderous nature is unequivocal and available for anyone who wants to know the truth. Unfortunately such evidence is rarely discussed by the news media and at schools. There’s perhaps no more grizzly atrocity committed by Fidel Castro than the firing squads which he implemented. Beginning as a rebel, before he would eventually take power in Cuba, Fidel Castro used firing squad executions to enforce discipline, punish followers deemed disloyal or intimidate potential opposition. At the beginning of the Castro regime there was a reign of terror typical of revolutions in which the firing squad was used prominently but the executions continued for decades.

 

The Cuba Archive which documents deaths and disappearances resulting from Fidel Castro’s Cuban revolution has documented 3,615 firing squad executions conducted by the Cuban state since Castro took over on January 1, 1959.

 

Most of Castro’s firing squad victims were afforded only a perfunctory show trial the outcome of which was predetermined, some didn’t even get that. Ernesto “Ché” Guevara is a popular culture icon, his face adorns posters and t-shirts around the globe. Most people don’t realize that he was Fidel Castro’s chief enforcer and had a personal hand in at least 100 firing squad executions, often delivering the coup de grace personally. In response to questions about Castro’s firing squads Guevara once said, “To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary. These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution. And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate.”

 

http://babalublog.com/fidel-castros-greatest-atrocities-and-crimes/fidel-castros-firing-squads-in-cuba/

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Not my claim, boss. You post the link.

In November 1991, the Cuban ambassador, Ricardo Alarcon, in a speech to the UN General Assembly, cited 27 recent cases of trade contracts interrupted by US pressure. The British journal Cuba Business claimed that British Petroleum was seemingly dissuaded by US authorities from investing in offshore oil exploration in Cuba despite being initially keenly interested. The Petroleum economist claimed, in September 1992, that the US State Department vigorously discouraged firms like Royal Dutch Shell and Clyde Petroleum from investing in Cuba. This pressure did not work in all cases. According to the Mexican Newspaper El Financiero, the US ambassador to Mexico, John Negroponte travelled to meet two Mexican business men who had signed a textile deal with Cuba on October 17, 1992. Despite the representation, the deal went ahead and was eventually worth $500 million in foreign capital. All of this happened before the signing of the Cuban Democracy Act.[33]

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To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary. These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution. And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate.

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I understand that sentiment. I dont nevessarily condone it but i understsnd him. He wanted to purge and cleanse certain exploitative outside influences in south america. I agree in principle this was necessary, i just would have gone about it differently. But after reading the things that che himself witnessed personally......its hard. Cause i know all of u would go grab ur guns if those foreign influences were at work here. And id join u

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The Fidel Castro Myth Debunked: The Death Of A Tyrant, Not A Hero

 

What's especially galling is the suggestion -- present in almost every story on Castro's demise -- that he took an impoverished, oppressed nation and turned it into a kind of socialist paradise, with education, social services and health care for all.

This is an utter and complete lie. But don't take our word for it.

 

"One feature of the Cuban social structure is a large middle class," the Geneva-based International Labor Organization said in a 1957 report. "Cuban workers are more unionized (proportional to the population) than U.S. workers. The average wage for an 8 hour day in Cuba in 1957 is higher than for workers in Belgium, Denmark, France and Germany. Cuban labor receives 66.6%. In the U.S. the figure is 70%, in Switzerland 64%. 44% of Cubans are covered by Social legislation, a higher percentage than in the U.S."

Remember, this is before the revolution.

 

Numbers taken from the most comprehensive global data base available — created by the late economist Angus Maddison — show that in 1958, real GDP per person was $2,406. At the time, that was second highest in Latin America. But by 2008, that had risen to just $3,764 a person, a mere 1.2% annual growth rate. Cuba has the worst economy in Latin America, outside Haiti and Nicaragua.

And much of that "growth" was due to massive subsidies from the former Soviet Union, which traded badly needed oil to Cuba for sugar at highly favorable exchange rates. Cuba's growth was a mirage, although in recent years modest market based reforms have helped increase incomes for some Cubans.

 

Before the revolution, Cuba had the 13th-lowest infant mortality rate in the world. It was lower than France, Belgium and West Germany. Today, it ranks about 40th. That still looks respectable, until you consider how it was accomplished: Cuba has one of the highest abortion rates in the world. At the first sign of any trouble when a woman is carrying a baby, it is aborted -- regardless of the parents' wishes.

That's why their infant mortality rate isn't even worse.

 

But surely health care for all is a major accomplishment, right?

No. As has been noted in many other places, Cuba has three separate health care systems. One for paying customers from places like the U.S., who go to Cuba for discount treatments of cosmetic surgery and the like.

There's another for Cuba's ruling Communist elite, also a good system. This is the health care system visiting journalists are taken to see, and that they later glowingly report on.

 

But there's still another system for the rest — the average Cubans. It is abysmal, and even that might understate how bad it is.

"Cubans are not even allowed to visit those (elite) facilities," according to the Web site The Real Cuba. "Cubans who require medical attention must go to other hospitals, that lack the most minimum requirements needed to take care of their patients."

It goes on: "In addition, most of these facilities are filthy and patients have to bring their own towels, bed sheets, pillows, or they would have to lay down on dirty bare mattresses stained with blood and other body fluids."

 

As for doctors, well, they make an average of about $25 to $35 a month. Many have to work second jobs to make ends meet, using substandard equipment. Drug shortages are rife. As a result, one of Cuba's ongoing problems is that doctors leave as soon as they can for other countries, where they can make a decent living.

 

The country has over 30,000 doctors working overseas officially. Why? Out of kindness? No. The Castro regime earns an estimated $2.5 billion a year in hard currency from doctors working elsewhere, which means Cuba's poor must go without decent care or access to doctors.

 

As for "universal literacy," please. Primary and secondary schools are little more than Marxist indoctrination centers, where students are taught only what the state wants them to know. That's how they keep people quiet.

Then there's Cuba's higher education, in which "universities are training centers for bureaucrats, totally disconnected from the needs of today's world. To enter the best careers and the best universities, people must be related to the bureaucratic elites, and also demonstrate a deep ideological conviction," notes Colombian journalist Vanesa Vallejo, of the PanAm Post, a Latin American news site.

 

Nor is it "free." In fact, those who graduate from college must work for a number of years for the government at a substandard wage of $9 a month. They are in effect slave labor. As with most "free" things the socialists offer, the price is very high and nonnegotiable.

In sum, Castro took a healthy country and made it sick. Those who glorify him deserve the scorn they get for propagating such a longstanding lie.

 

"A less megalomaniacal ruler would have considered (Cuba's pre-revolution economy) a golden goose landing in his lap," wrote Humberto Fontova, a Cuban exile and author of "Fidel: Hollywood's Favorite Tyrant." "But Castro wrung its neck. He deliberately and methodically wrecked Latin America's premier economy."

 

How about race relations? By Cuba's own estimates, roughly 36% of the country is black or "mixed." Other estimates put it much higher, as high as 50%.

 

Nonetheless, a study five years ago by the online journal Socialism and Democracy found "black and mixed populations, on average, are concentrated in the worst housing conditions" and tend to work in lower-paying, manual-labor jobs.

We'll save for a later date Castro's many crimes and 58 years of silent war against the U.S., his allowing Soviet nuclear missiles on his soil in order to threaten the U.S., his repeated intervention in other countries, his assassinations, and his obscene theft of hundreds of millions of dollars of Cubans' wealth to line his own pockets.

 

Suffice it to say, as Castro departs the scene for the last time, he leaves a Cuba far worse off in almost every way than the one he took over in 1958. Donald Trump, with his impeccable anti-PC skills, summed it up about right, calling Castro a "brutal dictator."

"Fidel Castro's legacy is one of firing squads, theft, unimaginable suffering, poverty and the denial of fundamental human rights," Trump said in the statement. Exactly right.

 

Don't believe Trump? OK, here's Fidel's daughter, in an interview with the Miami Herald, describing dear old dad: "When people tell me he's a dictator, I tell them that's not the right word," Alina Castro said. "Strictly speaking, Fidel is a tyrant."

 

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/the-fidel-castro-myth-debunked-the-death-of-a-tyrant-not-a-hero/

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what in the hell am I missing here?

I honestly didnt see anyone give more than half a Fuck that he's dead. Libbs, rights no one cared, other than a group in Florida. Glad to see him pass and hope for a better government is about all.

Do you watch news? They're still talking about him im sick of it. Left news right news im over it.

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