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Dude I fkd your mother. She was a whore of the worst kind. I thought she cleaned out after I shot in her nasty twat.

Cool story, i got one too....i sneak into ur house at night and go anal on ur wife whole u sleep upstairs. She always does atm afterwards too, such a good girl....never have to clean it myself.

 

 

Cool huh?

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Yeah because there isn't anything else going on. MSM. it's what they do. Ever watch the weather channel? It's defcon 2 when there's a snowflake in the air. They now name every snowstorm to try and make it significant and blow it out of proportion.

Other than the media is Castro's death even taken up 2minutes of everyone's time?

No.

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Yeah because there isn't anything else going on. MSM. it's what they do. Ever watch the weather channel? It's defcon 2 when there's a snowflake in the air. They now name every snowstorm to try and make it significant and blow it out of proportion.

Other than the media is Castro's death even taken up 2minutes of everyone's time?

No.

Yeah but I like to watch news. You cant turn fox news on either without someone pussy whining about castro. FFSbeven bbc america wont let it go. But the news i watched tonight spent nsybe a min or two on the osu stabbings but then 20+ minutes on castro

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Aaaannddd heres why they did that....

 

"In October 1960, a key incident occurred that led to the Cuban government nationalizing all three American-owned oil refineries in the nation. Cuba nationalized the refineries following Eisenhower's decision to cancel 700,000 tons of sugar imports from Cuba to the U.S.[18] and refused to export oil to the island, leaving it reliant on Soviet crude oil that the American companies refused to refine, which led to Cuba's nationalization response. The refinery owners were never compensated for the nationalization of their property"

Yup, that was in response to Castro buying armaments from the Soviets after we put in place an armament ban during the revolution, which played a bit of a role in Castro seizing power.

 

That nationalization that your "so totes cool" with equalled, at the time, 1.8 billion dollars worth of private American's money. Those American's included companies, corporations and private citizens. It is considered the largest seizure of American assests in our history.

 

So let's recap, your comrade Castro benefitted from our armament ban, got pissed when we wouldn't start selling again after gaining power, went to our enemy (who your comrade just so happened to be ideologically aligned with) to buy weapons from them, which pissed us off and resulted in us not importing sugar or refining their oil, putting Castro in a bind. If he was a smart or effective leader who cared for his people, he would've realized that he should've taken the L, make amends with the fucking superpower 90 miles away, regardless of how much it would've sucked, and hoped and prayed we would forgive him But no, what does he do? He steals 1.8 billion dollars worth of assests from us.

 

What the fuck did you think we were going do?

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Have u ever read of the lies the florida cubans have fabricated about the castro regime? And dont be stupid those are old batista ex pats they have a multitude of reasons for doing so. I rontbwhat to beleive when it comes to stories about castro becausebthey blew it out their ass alot about guevera.

Good lord man. Again, please go down to Little Havana and tell all you see about this. They truly need to know that they've been deceived their entire lives. Fuck what they've seen or what they went through to escape it.

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Since the U.S could no longer support the Bautista regime due them censoring the press in 1958, they put in place an arms embargo.

 

After Castro took over, we kept the embargo in place. He then turned to the Soviets for weapons.

 

I'm assuming you are referring to the Bay of Pigs in 61? If so, it shouldn't shock you after Castro's seizure of 1.8 billion dollars worth of American assests in 1960. Granted plans were in the works before that due to Castro's ideology leanings but he gleefully did everything in his power to justify it.

 

Let me ask you, do you really think that the United States of America was going to let that slide?

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He nationalied the oil fields after the bay of pigs from what i just read. In fact he tried to establish a relationship with eisenhower. That was our chance but you defied the will of this era's imperialists and didnt want to be our pleasure hub so fuck you we're gonna invade you. That devision set the tone for our relationship to tjis day. The cuban missile crisis would never have happened without the bay if pigs happening first

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Since the U.S could no longer support the Bautista regime due them censoring the press in 1958, they put in place an arms embargo.

 

 

 

There were american companies trying to send arms to Cuba for the rebels, that was the main reason for the embargo on the Bautista regime. It was mainly democrats in the house and senate that opposed relations with Bautista. On the surface the arms embargo was sold more as the U.S not taking sides in the revolution, which of course was horseshit because Eisenhower immediately started on plans to help overthrow Castro. Under no circumstances was the U.S "happy" Bautista was overthrown. He was going to be another strong man puppet to help keep those nasty commies in check. The same playbook we ran basically everywhere else in the known world. When Eisenhower suspended buying sugar from Castro, which at the time was Cuba's main export....that made Castro seek out the soviets.

 

It's all there just read a little. You're not gonna come away liking Castro, no one really does, but hopefully you can come to a slightly more nuanced understanding of how the world works on those levels. It isn't the black and white horseshit they spoonfeed the unwashed masses which is us.

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ah. soviet nukes because of the bay of pigs.

 

rabies. that has to be it.

 

I bet you think it was a huge pile of pigs don't you? I'll help you out, it was the attempted overthrow of the cuban govt planned by the U.S. Here's the wiki...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion

 

Now after you're done reading it, contemplate what you would do in that situation. You would cozy up to the only known counterweight in the world to the united states. And if they said they'd like to put missiles on your island just like the U.S does all around them in eastern europe....in exchange for them helping you.....you'd do it in a heartbeat. This isn't calculus Cal. It should be easy, i'm not really sure why you're struggling.

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I did. you rabidly are spawning a vile take to get attention.

 

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atrocities. fook your excuses.

 

Introduction -Fidel Castro’s greatest atrocities and crimes
1. Fidel Castro’s firing squads in Cuba
2. Fidel Castro sank the 13 de Marzo tugboat killing Cuban women and children
3. Fidel Castro’s shoot down of American civilian aircraft killing 4 people including 3 American citizens
4. Fidel Castro’s Cuban political prisoners
5. Fidel Castro’s Cuban forced labor camps, the UMAPs
6. Fidel Castro’s religious repression against Cubans
7. Fidel Castro separates Cuban families
8. Fidel Castro restricts the movement of Cubans
9. Fidel Castro’s foreign interventions resulting in thousands of deaths
10. Fidel Castro’s espionage

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There were american companies trying to send arms to Cuba for the rebels, that was the main reason for the embargo on the Bautista regime. It was mainly democrats in the house and senate that opposed relations with Bautista. On the surface the arms embargo was sold more as the U.S not taking sides in the revolution, which of course was horseshit because Eisenhower immediately started on plans to help overthrow Castro. Under no circumstances was the U.S "happy" Bautista was overthrown. He was going to be another strong man puppet to help keep those nasty commies in check. The same playbook we ran basically everywhere else in the known world. When Eisenhower suspended buying sugar from Castro, which at the time was Cuba's main export....that made Castro seek out the soviets.

 

It's all there just read a little. You're not gonna come away liking Castro, no one really does, but hopefully you can come to a slightly more nuanced understanding of how the world works on those levels. It isn't the black and white horseshit they spoonfeed the unwashed masses which is us.

That's adorable. You want to talk nuance, so let's talk nuance. Tell me, what did we stand to gain from having a Cuban leader that had a similar ideological view as the Soviet Union? Additionally, what did we stand to lose?

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That's adorable. You want to talk nuance, so let's talk nuance. Tell me, what did we stand to gain from having a Cuban leader that had a similar ideological view as the Soviet Union? Additionally, what did we stand to lose?

 

 

No i get it, american gets to dictate to the world what sort of govt they ought to have. Perfectly clear.

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what exactly did we have to lose at first? The guy tried to be friends with Eisenhower but as we've already established, you can't have your own ideas about governing unless it's sanctioned by the U.S. Castro wouldn't have had much of a relatonship with the soviets if it weren't for us trying to overthrow him. And frankly I could give a rats fuck who on this god damn planet wants to be capitalist, socialist or something inbetween like a brazilian tranny. I don't care.

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was this discussion about Castro's brutality? Did you see me defend them at any time?

 

Stuart

You may as well have. Did you read your own thread title... Why do people on the right still get worked up over castro?

 

Cal provided links as to why people still get "worked up" over Castro..

 

Question answered...now fuck off you buffoon.

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what exactly did we have to lose at first? The guy tried to be friends with Eisenhower but as we've already established, you can't have your own ideas about governing unless it's sanctioned by the U.S. Castro wouldn't have had much of a relatonship with the soviets if it weren't for us trying to overthrow him. And frankly I could give a rats fuck who on this god damn planet wants to be capitalist, socialist or something inbetween like a brazilian tranny. I don't care.

Castro attempted to make nice due to location and trade. It would've been cheaper and more expedient, and therefore better for him. (Think England's hopes for their relationship with Europe after Brexit. All the beneficial aspects, none of the negative aspects, or, to put it more simply, having your cake and eating it too.) However, due to his ideology, he was much more in line with the Soviets and more likely swayed by their appeals.

 

You brought up earlier how the U.S wanted to keep the previous regime as a puppet. Well, guess what the Soviets were thinking with Castro? Keep in mind that the Soviets would've had an awfully difficult, if not flat out impossible, time hitting us at home if war were to break out, as they had no allies to use as a beachhead or forward operating post. Us, with our alliances in Europe and Asia, would be able to pummel them from the start and force them on the defensive from the jump. The Soviets needed a counter, making Cuba, under the rule of an ideological similar regime, an easy mark and a flashpoint for us. While not completely related, why do you think the Soviets were the first to get to space just a few years after the missile crisis? It wasn't curiosity or the betterment of mankind.

 

As for your whole "sanctioned by the U.S" bit, you are grossly simplifying it. We act in valuable places. Why did we build the Panama Canal? Why have we placed so much focus (and funding) on the Middle East? Why did Obama attempt to pivot it Asia? Each and every one of the above examples either benefits us, or helps us to mitigate (reduce the risk) in those areas. Do you see us intervening in South Sudan? What about Nigeria? Hell, how about Africa as a whole? There's plenty of pretext to act there, especially to help the oppressed, but we don't act because it doesn't benefit us.

 

We, just like every other superpower that has ever existed, only intervene in a situation if it poses a risk, or provides a reward for us. (Starting to see a pattern?) Look back through the Cold War era and each and every conflict can be attributed to posturing (mitigating risk/gaining an advantage) for the next war. Korea? That's our beachhead in Asia and a launching point into eastern Russia, or potentially even China. Vietnam? If it fell to the Soviets, it would endanger our allies (who's resources we would've needed) in SE Asia, which would force us to divert power from concentrating on mainland Russia and potential hamper our war effort. Afghanistan? That could've provided us with yet another potential launching point into mainland Russia.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So tell me, who is the one who needs a more nuanced world view?

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ur making my point for me. Superpowers going around the world altering the destinies of people because they either have some resource we want or their land gives us some sort of tactical advantage.....was the recipe for what we're going through now. And it was predicted. I don't know where you got the idea I didn't understand how every superpower that's ever lived works. I even explicitly stated a page or so ago this was modus operandi for millenia's now. In no way shape or form does that mitigate the fact it's bullshit. In no way shape or form does it mitigate our relationship with the Bautista regime. If we really gave a fuck about the Cuban people we would have seen the eventuality of a revolution there and we should have removed Bautista and, oh I dunno, helped kick the american mafia out of Havana.

 

The reason we didn't do that is crystal clear to me. We are mostly similiar to every other oppressing superpower in recorded history.

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having a "carribbean vegas" was just too tasty for corporate america and they like their influence in Havana just fine the way it was. You know, 13 year old's forced into prostititution that sort of stuff. You can't do that here in the U.S, gotta do your dirty laundry in some land of puppets that do your bidding. Now you can fuck the little ones and it won't make it back home to your pastor.

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"Latin America’s relationship with the U.S. government has been difficult to say the least. The U.S. has been intervening in Latin America since President James Monroe established the Monroe Doctrine, a foreign policy that prevented European powers from colonizing any sovereign nation in “their backyard” (that was America’s job!). The Monroe Doctrine became an instrumental tool for Washington to advance American style Democracy and dominate governments in South and Central America and the Caribbean which brings us to Cuba.

Cuba was one of the last colonial possessions under Spanish rule just 90 miles south of Florida. As Spain’s Imperial power was in decline, Washington had imperial ambitions to expand its influence on Cuba. Cuba had the potential to produce unlimited profits for U.S. business interests. Even organized crime got into the picture when they became a major player in Cuba since the early 1930’s. The mafia controlled the gaming industry, prostitution and the drug trade in the U.S. mainland also had their sights on Cuba. The mafia managed to expand their operations to Cuba to avoid harassment from the U.S. government. Cuba was to be their base of operations as they were looking to expand into other Caribbean nations. During that time, Cuba was under the leadership of President Fulgencio Batista who had close political ties to Washington and its multinational corporations. Batista was also a good friend to organized crime. Cuba became a cesspool of corruption, illegal drugs and prostitution which became a playground (metaphorically speaking) for the rich and famous while the majority of ordinary Cubans lived in extreme poverty. This is an historical account of Cuba before 1959, a time period that explains why Cuba’s Revolution was a long time in the making."

 

 

 

So they still lived in extreme poverty during the capitalist regime of Batista. Now do you see why i put little stock in what Floridian ex pats have to say about Castro? They're not wrong per se, but the bullshit was going on before he got there.

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