glad obaMao is gone, or he'd invite her to the WH

[calfoxwc]

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/02/16/suspected-illegal-immigrant-accused-of-drunk-driving-in-collision-that-kills-former-missionary/

 

how many times to we have to have this happen before even liberals

start to figure we have to stop illegals from coming here?

[calfoxwc]

maybe these stupid kids should read more about crimes by so many

of these illegals....

 

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/02/16/high-school-basketball-team-makes-pointed-political-statement-before-championship-game/

[marcus]

My personal experience with the illegal community compels me to disagree with you Cal. Don't get me wrong they commit heinous crimes as well but not on the scale that conservatives are making it out to be. Nor should it be ignored by the liberals. However, it comes back to stopping the Washington blame game and coming up with a comprehensive solution.

[jbluhm86]

Well, there's still time for Obama to invite her to the star chamber that he, George Soros and the rest of the lizard people running the shadow government operate out of, so no worries.

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

Just met a guy stopped in traffic on his motorcycle one day and was hit by an illegal going 55 in her car at the time of impact.

 

He is lucky to be alive, but will never work again and always be in pain. Nothing happened to her. No insurance.

Clearly this is the best reason we should kick out every illegal. Because your friend and his accident.

 

I'd send the case files to Trump.

[calfoxwc]

My personal experience with the illegal community compels me to disagree with you Cal. Don't get me wrong they commit heinous crimes as well but not on the scale that conservatives are making it out to be. Nor should it be ignored by the liberals. However, it comes back to stopping the Washington blame game and coming up with a comprehensive solution.

I'm not sure about the scale, except on a scale of acceptability, it rates very, very high

on the "NOT ACCEPTABLE" side. I don't understand why we "need" to let ALL illegals in,

so fast, and let the undesirables in as well.

Note: under obaMao's reign as marxist king sombietch, significant crimes were committed,

and STILL the illegals were released.

It seems to be the "same old, same old" - liberals/leftists ignore the crime, and conservatives

are concerned - voluntarily letting murders, rapists, assaulters, etc etc etcetc.....

just doesn't seem rational, without some devious "flood voter demographics" ulterior motive,

to name just one.

It also seems concerning, that holder/obamao fought like all hell to kick a German

couple out of our country. Really? I thought it was about "open borders" ?

 

But fight they did, til the end. And all the German family came here for, was to experience the freedom

to home school their kids.

 

I really would like some open border person to explain that. Seriously, something is wrong there, imho.

[calfoxwc]

 

Another friend of mine was a part time funeral escort where they block the intersections with their bikes so the funeral can pass.

 

A driver left just enough room for a car to get through and an illegal broke the funeral procession and pulled out right in front of my buddy coming down the side about 45. He couldnt stop. Dead. Great guy. The illegal fought that he was innocent in court. Same bullshit. No license or insurance

the left needs to give up the "love everybody-let em all in" garbage.

The needless crimes and deaths of innocent Americans is being ignored by them, instead.

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

 

Another friend of mine was a part time funeral escort where they block the intersections with their bikes so the funeral can pass.

 

A driver left just enough room for a car to get through and an illegal broke the funeral procession and pulled out right in front of my buddy coming down the side about 45. He couldnt stop. Dead. Great guy. The illegal fought that he was innocent in court. Same bullshit. No license or insurance

Two examples? Wow. Open and shut case. Kick em all out.

[Clevfan4life]

Look at cal holding conversations with his obvious alt boo faggot.

[marcus]

I'm not sure about the scale, except on a scale of acceptability, it rates very, very high

on the "NOT ACCEPTABLE" side. I don't understand why we "need" to let ALL illegals in,

so fast, and let the undesirables in as well.

Note: under obaMao's reign as marxist king sombietch, significant crimes were committed,

and STILL the illegals were released.

It seems to be the "same old, same old" - liberals/leftists ignore the crime, and conservatives

are concerned - voluntarily letting murders, rapists, assaulters, etc etc etcetc.....

just doesn't seem rational, without some devious "flood voter demographics" ulterior motive,

to name just one.

It also seems concerning, that holder/obamao fought like all hell to kick a German

couple out of our country. Really? I thought it was about "open borders" ?

 

But fight they did, til the end. And all the German family came here for, was to experience the freedom

to home school their kids.

 

I really would like some open border person to explain that. Seriously, something is wrong there, imho.

Not against a restricted boarder but he's not articulating the concept very well. That's an honest criticism from a libertarian law enforcement professional. That's been my problem with him all along. He doesn't articulate his concepts well at all and then gets mad when people ask him to expand on them.

 

I'm pretty sure crimes by our own citizens (numbers wise) overshadow those perpetrated by illegals. Not much care is being expressed about that. Nor has much been correctly done like: The War on Drugs (Regan's brainchild) or Three Strikes (Bill Clinton's brainchild). But if I were to say that to him on a basis of my own experience

I would be sent by the Obama Administration or some "fake news" outlet.

 

Using that as reason to secure our boarders especially the way Trump himself has described; it just says to me that "I don't have a real good reason to spend money on a wall. So I'll drive up the fear narrative to further alienate (forgive the pun) the Hispanic community."

 

I say all that to say this, to me the economic threat of illegal immigration poses is a more valid one. It's also far more apparent than the criminal threat (it goes without saying with a large illegal population violent crime will occur within that demographic). However, that argument loses power when you measure it against what our own citizens do to each other.

 

Trump fails to realize that his articulation of what he wants to do is what's causing him problems. Along with the fact that people that experience the opposite of his thought process are ignored. He often assumes that they're out to get him or the Obama Administration sent them. When really people are offering alternative perspective to help him shape effective solutions. He wants no part of those thought processes though.

[calfoxwc]

it doesn't follow, to me, that we should let illegals, the hardcore criminal ones, into

our country, because some Americans are hardcore criminals.

 

We don't have an option to not let them in. but we can stop them from coming in,

along with the good folks who just want to live here.

 

Your economic impact is valid ,though. the added burder on our entitlement/welfare/etc

programs will bust bigly - see "Cloward-Piven", and then look at the leftist democratic

party. It is exactly where we are going.

[marcus]

it doesn't follow, to me, that we should let illegals, the hardcore criminal ones, into

our country, because some Americans are hardcore criminals.

 

We don't have an option to not let them in. but we can stop them from coming in,

along with the good folks who just want to live here.

 

Your economic impact is valid ,though. the added burder on our entitlement/welfare/etc

programs will bust bigly - see "Cloward-Piven", and then look at the leftist democratic

party. It is exactly where we are going.

I think you know better than that. I'm saying using fallacies such as "Mexico isn't sending their best and brightest. They're sending their drug dealers, rapists, and murders here." Now having no dealings with that demographic what do you think of the Hispanic community? They're all criminals and illegally in this country right?...it's only logical having nothing else to go on but what you're told right?

 

Where I was going with the American crime rate is that I find it interesting that dealing with our own citizens has been a botch fest since the late 60's. While that goes on unchecked, they're worried about Mexicans and other Hispanics raping, pillaging, and murdering? That dog don't hunt for me my friend. I guess next will be to hang all violent crime on the Hispanic community.

 

I get it that Conservatives don't really think that way. But the President does a piss poor job of articulating his vision. It's evident that he needs to work on that and needs help from outside his inner circle (cabinet). He doesn't communicate with the Majority Congress and Senate and it's going to catch up with him.

 

As far as the Cloward-Piven thing is concerned there's plenty of Neo-Conservative subscribers to that as well. But Conservatives seldom want to talk about that though.

[calfoxwc]

I'm fine with talking about that - yes, reps didn't do a balanced budget either.

 

But obamao did a piss-poor job of being honest with the American people,

and was a total asswhole to anybody who wasn't part of his leftist base.

 

For eight years, he misrepresented himself again and again. He even admitted in his book

that he learned how to say stuff that whites would accept... knew how to manipulate

people. Community organizer/rabble rouser marxist.. and admitted he sought out

his favorite profs...socialists.

 

Tomorrow, Trump will have been president for twenty days. Liberals can't admit obaMao

was a complete destructive failure as our president, for eight years.

 

I don't deny Trump has a few warts about how he presents stuff.

 

Dirty asswipe obaMao, it turned out, had all warts when it came to being president, he was

so dishonest.

 

Trump is keeping his promises, and that worries democrats and makes them terrified

of being shown up badly.

 

BTW, there are central american gangs in every state in our country. I even posted that ms-13

was recruiting elementary schools.

 

Why in the )(*)(*&^ would we not vett mexicans who come here??? hello, is anybody on the dem side home?

[marcus]

I'm fine with talking about that - yes, reps didn't do a balanced budget either.

 

But obamao did a piss-poor job of being honest with the American people,

and was a total asswhole to anybody who wasn't part of his leftist base.

 

It seems like that is going on with Trump too. I doesn't seem like anyone can disagree or have a different perspective.

 

For eight years, he misrepresented himself again and again. He even admitted in his book

that he learned how to say stuff that whites would accept... knew how to manipulate

people. Community organizer/rabble rouser marxist.. and admitted he sought out

his favorite profs...socialists.

 

Tomorrow, Trump will have been president for twenty days. Liberals can't admit obaMao

was a complete destructive failure as our president, for eight years.

 

I'm on record as saying the we were due for anything these two Obama/Trump brought about. We haven't been honest with each other for quite some time an now we have to be. But instead of saying what needs to be said and moving on to find solutions; we'd rather finger point and play the blame game.

I don't deny Trump has a few warts about how he presents stuff.

 

He doesn't explain things well at all. Just some broad stroke about what he wants to do and then on to the blame game.

 

Dirty asswipe obaMao, it turned out, had all warts when it came to being president, he was

so dishonest.

 

Trump is keeping his promises, and that worries democrats and makes them terrified

of being shown up badly.

 

On the surface. But what's in the fine print? When is he going to respond to a good question without being so adversarial?

 

BTW, there are central american gangs in every state in our country. I even posted that ms-13

was recruiting elementary schools.

 

Definitely not fake news but OLD news. That's how the MS-13 recruits. It's been that way for decades. That's how they do it in El Salvador and that's the way they do it here. As a Military Police Investigator or MPI, I assisted US Army CID (Criminal Investigation Division) and Military Intelligence, investigate, court martial members of that gang that joined the Army to gain military experience. That was in 2005 but they've been active in the US at least 10 years before that maybe longer. We originally thought he was a child molester but it turned out he was getting ready to start recruiting on post. Further investigation revealed that there were more members which were either court martialed or chaptered out of the Army for other reasons. In fact around 2007, somewhere in California a MS-13 member (USMC trained) killed two officers in front of a convenience store.

 

 

Why in the )(*)(*&^ would we not vett mexicans who come here??? hello, is anybody on the dem side home?

 

Not on the dem or rep side. Because being on just one side doesn't get results. I'm critical of the President. I will not stop being critical until he starts explaining what he's doing and why he's doing it. I get it "You don't criticize Obama." My answer is yes I do and you don't hear the debates between my wife(Democrat and Obama/Hillary supporter) and I (Ron Paul supporter and Follower).

 

I don't think anything I've said about the man is untrue or unfair. I go by his words and match them against my own experience in this matter and at the moment what he's said doesn't match my experiences. So I express that, and now I'm a dem or an Obama apologist? Whatever helps you get your frustrations out my friend glad to be of service.

[marcus]

the left needs to give up the "love everybody-let em all in" garbage.

The needless crimes and deaths of innocent Americans is being ignored by them, instead.

 

So are the crimes perpetuated by our own Criminal American Citizens against other innocent American Citizens is my point Cal. The ignorance is on both sides of the political scale and has been for the past 50 plus years. Some of these things perpetuated by Neo-Conservatives that do it right in front of your face and you extend that arm and index finger and point strictly to the left.

 

I do believe that it was J. Edgar Hoover, that had the brilliant idea to flood the inner cities with heroine to thin out minority numbers through the consequential attrition. This was admitted by him and documented. But he identified as a conservative. No one wants to discuss stuff like that. Because it requires a conservative to look at other conservatives with that same accusatory eye that they look at liberals with. Liberals do they same thing. They weep for their own and curse the conservatives. Meanwhile, both sides allow opportunities for change and reform to just past by because they don't realize both sides are necessary for balance in our government.

[calfoxwc]

Definitely not fake news but OLD news. That's how the MS-13 recruits. It's been that way for decades. That's how they do it in El Salvador and that's the way they do it here. As a Military Police Investigator or MPI, I assisted US Army CID (Criminal Investigation Division) and Military Intelligence, investigate, court martial members of that gang that joined the Army to gain military experience. That was in 2005 but they've been active in the US at least 10 years before that maybe longer. We originally thought he was a child molester but it turned out he was getting ready to start recruiting on post. Further investigation revealed that there were more members which were either court martialed or chaptered out of the Army for other reasons. In fact around 2007, somewhere in California a MS-13 member (USMC trained) killed two officers in front of a convenience store. Mr. Marcus
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That is awesome. The closest I ever got to that was being interviewed by a Lt. Colonel to

be recruited into OSI. That would have very cool, but I had a very bad knee and it would

never have held up to training. I defer to you on the subject, bigly.

 

Why in the )(*)(*&^ would we not vett mexicans who come here??? hello, is anybody on the dem side home?

Not on the dem or rep side. Because being on just one side doesn't get results. I'm critical of the President. I will not stop being critical until he starts explaining what he's doing and why he's doing it. I get it "You don't criticize Obama." My answer is yes I do and you don't hear the debates between my wife(Democrat and Obama/Hillary supporter) and I (Ron Paul supporter and Follower).

I don't think anything I've said about the man is untrue or unfair. I go by his words and match them against my own experience in this matter and at the moment what he's said doesn't match my experiences. So I express that, and now a dem or an Obama apologist? Whatever helps you get your frustrations out my friend glad to be of service. Marcus

************************************************************

Maybe it's just me, but I thought you gave Obamao the benefit of the doubt, whereas Trump doesn't seem

to get that. I could be wrong... and to your point about your Wife and you? LOL, my Wife is very much conservative

as I am, but she despises politics - she never wants to watch politics (Fox News...) on tv....

I get it that you are independent, but you never call obaMao with the "Mao", so you surely are

on the liberal side of things.........

[marcus]

Definitely not fake news but OLD news. That's how the MS-13 recruits. It's been that way for decades. That's how they do it in El Salvador and that's the way they do it here. As a Military Police Investigator or MPI, I assisted US Army CID (Criminal Investigation Division) and Military Intelligence, investigate, court martial members of that gang that joined the Army to gain military experience. That was in 2005 but they've been active in the US at least 10 years before that maybe longer. We originally thought he was a child molester but it turned out he was getting ready to start recruiting on post. Further investigation revealed that there were more members which were either court martialed or chaptered out of the Army for other reasons. In fact around 2007, somewhere in California a MS-13 member (USMC trained) killed two officers in front of a convenience store. Mr. Marcus

*************************************

That is awesome. The closest I ever got to that was being interviewed by a Lt. Colonel to

be recruited into OSI. That would have very cool, but I had a very bad knee and it would

never have held up to training. I defer to you on the subject, bigly.

 

 

 

Why in the )(*)(*&^ would we not vett mexicans who come here??? hello, is anybody on the dem side home?

 

Not on the dem or rep side. Because being on just one side doesn't get results. I'm critical of the President. I will not stop being critical until he starts explaining what he's doing and why he's doing it. I get it "You don't criticize Obama." My answer is yes I do and you don't hear the debates between my wife(Democrat and Obama/Hillary supporter) and I (Ron Paul supporter and Follower).

 

I don't think anything I've said about the man is untrue or unfair. I go by his words and match them against my own experience in this matter and at the moment what he's said doesn't match my experiences. So I express that, and now a dem or an Obama apologist? Whatever helps you get your frustrations out my friend glad to be of service. Marcus

************************************************************

Maybe it's just me, but I thought you gave Obamao the benefit of the doubt, whereas Trump doesn't seem

to get that. I could be wrong... and to your point about your Wife and you? LOL, my Wife is very much conservative

as I am, but she despises politics - she never wants to watch politics (Fox News...) on tv....

I get it that you are independent, but you never call obaMao with the "Mao", so you surely are

on the liberal side of things.........

I've been meaning to ask you how you came up with Obamao thing anyway. I get the basic subscription to communism/socialism. Going beyond that I haven't been sure if has deeper roots. Mind you still relatively new to this part of the forum so that's why you might believe me to be less critical of "Obamao" (there I said it). The way I see it is the President has to be careful to not tip the scale too far to the right. Thus the same will be said about his Presidency only from the other side of the political spectrum.

[calfoxwc]

Well, I started it because Van Jones, an avowed communist,

 

http://politistick.com/communist-van-jones-days-moderate-democrat-party/#

 

"Van Jones, a founder of the Maoist organization STORM (Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement), a communist front group, ",

 

and ended up a high level "green jobs" czar (read: redistribution of wealth to

inncer cities).... advisor to Obamao. He later admitted to calling all republicans asswholes,

and even referred to himself as an asswhole.

 

Seriously communist/racist.... and he ended up gone out of obamao's admin. I don't recall

if the msm wailed about obamao's cabinet being in disarray, etc.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Jones

[marcus]

Well, I started it because Van Jones, an avowed communist,

 

http://politistick.com/communist-van-jones-days-moderate-democrat-party/#

 

"Van Jones, a founder of the Maoist organization STORM (Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement), a communist front group, ",

 

and ended up a high level "green jobs" czar (read: redistribution of wealth to

inncer cities).... advisor to Obamao. He later admitted to calling all republicans asswholes,

and even referred to himself as an asswhole.

 

Seriously communist/racist.... and he ended up gone out of obamao's admin. I don't recall

if the msm wailed about obamao's cabinet being in disarray, etc.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Jones

Never been a fan of Van Jones. His ideas seldom have anything to do with our struggles as black people. But he's someone that people get behind. He's a grease spot on the slippery slope.