OldBrownsFan Posted February 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 It didn't work because they didn't find the strength to tackle it head on. They just found a substitute drug. The opiate of the masses. That is your opinion but they had the freedom to choose. Nobody wanting to snap their fingers to take away that freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 What are you talking about? Both Christians and Muslims have disrespected people's freedom to choose for millenia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 What are you talking about? Both Christians and Muslims have disrespected people's freedom to choose for millenia It is not New Covenant teaching to force or even try to force anyone to become a believer. it is all about freewill. The meaning of the gospel is the good news. The good news is to be presented and open to all who would receive the message but never to be forced on anyone. Any who have done so in the past had no scriptures to do it. They were doing it on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 It is not New Covenant teaching to force or even try to force anyone to become a believer. it is all about freewill. The meaning of the gospel is the good news. The good news is to be presented and open to all who would receive the message but never to be forced on anyone. Any who have done so in the past had no scriptures to do it. They were doing it on their own. That's true in both the religions. Problem is, people are pretty bad at following what their religion teaches them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 problem is, there are tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands... or more? that do not suscribe to the part where Islam is not allowed to be forced upon people. The Koran has no New Testament... I haven't read any answer to that - from anybody. How is it that so many disagree on that, and even if a Christian doesn't believe it, he is ignoring the New Testament? But there aren't even thousand, or a hundred, that think Christianity is allowed to be forced onto people.Not ten. Not one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsKidd Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 What are you talking about? Both Christians and Muslims have disrespected people's freedom to choose for millenia Lots of hyperbole and conjecture. Some truth, but only truth for those that have abused religion, like Muslims and the Roman Catholic church. But there are Christians all over the world that do not fit the rigid mold that you have created in your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 Here's what I think: I have often said over many years, that "religion is the worst thing to ever happen to Christianity". As i define it, it is the established practices - going to church every Sunday, works in the church, works in the community, in the world, reading the Bible every day, ...whatever the pastor or other "Christians" insist that you follow what THEY THINK. Nah. I've said that "worst thing" right in the middle of a Bible class social of friends. lol. We don't go to church - too many people there to judge everybody and everything around them. After going through a couple of mean church divisions/splits/wars... I long since decided that I'm closer to God walking in our woods than going to church with a bunch of people. My Wife's parents had gone through a bad church division/war/split, and her Dad resigned, and took another church in Texas. I'm one of the luckiest guys in the whole world that she stayed up here in Ohio. I know God is there - the most prominent reason, is that I was within seconds of not being here anymore in the fifth grade. There are other reasons... To me, I'm not so much enthralled with a man-man building as I am with God made mountains, sky, trees.... all of nature in it's incredible beautiful, integrated complexity that is everywhere. The more I watch the world and societies, I see the need for God to have given his only Son. That's just what I see. Nobody else has to agree, or see the same things. We don't go to church, ever, but our home is always a place we invite friends, help neighbors, contribute to special causes, the little things we have fun doing together... every so often, we are out to dinner, and we secretly pay for a very elderly couple's dinner. That's fun. It's who we are. As a Christian, our beliefs are our own - we answer to nobody. I have friends who used to go to church every Sunday, and kept volunterring/being volunteered for church stuff....til they didn't have a life of their own - no time for themselves. So, they quit all that, and are just like us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 Obf, North Korea is a terrible example and you know it. They may forbid outside religions but you know full well they impose the jongs divinity on their citizens. They do have religion there, its kim Jong...he's their savior. So that's not exactly society without religion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 If I could click my fingers and eliminate not only Christianity, but judaism and Islam from the entire world I would do that without a second thought for the true believers. Religion is a blight upon mankind and is doing nothing but hampering our progress and, in fact, harming everyone who comes in contact with it. There is not a plus side to religion. Some people will argue that it makes people live by a value system but that's utter nonsense. You should be doing that anyway, you shouldn't need to be threatened by the mysterious sky-man to do it. I agree with removing it, but there are positives. Sense of community, charitable works, etc. But yes, these don't outweigh the negatives. And yes, those can be reached through other means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 HORRIBLE: ISIS jihadis gun down ANOTHER Christian in front of wife and children in Egypt Another Christian, Kamel Youssef, has lost his life to suspected ISIS jihadis after they stormed his home and gunned him down in front of his wife and children: NY POST – Suspected Islamic militants gunned down a Coptic Christian inside his home in northern Sinai, the sixth such killing in a month’s time in the restive region, officials said Friday, prompting some Christian families to flee from the area for fear of being targeted next. The militants stormed the home of Kamel Youssef, a plumber, on Thursday and shot him to death in front of his wife and children in the town of el-Arish, said two officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to reporters. No militant group has claimed responsibility for the attack but earlier this week, Egypt’s Islamic State affiliate, which is based in the Sinai Peninsula, vowed in a video to step up attacks against the embattled Christian minority. A spate of killings by suspected militants has spread fears among the Coptic community in el-Arish as families left their homes after reportedly receiving threats on their cellphones. A day before Youssef’s killings, militants killed a Coptic Christian man and burned his son alive, then dumped their bodies on a roadside in el-Arish. Three others Christians in Sinai were killed earlier, either in drive-by shootings or with militants storming their homes and shops. The Coptic Christian Church has made no official comment on the spate of killings. Coptic Christians, who make up 10 percent of Egypt’s population, have increasingly come under attack since the military’s overthrow of elected Islamist President Mohammed Morsi in 2013. A top target of Islamic extremists throughout the years, the Christians heavily supported the army chief-turned-president, Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi, and his security crackdown on Islamists since Morsi’s removal. Note the second thing I bolded, that they killed a man and burned his son ALIVE the very day before they shot Youssef in front of his wife and children. I just can’t imagine what the Coptic community is going through in Egypt with all of those horrible killings. I read about this and my mind goes directly to Revelation 6 where it speaks of these very souls crying out to the Lord: 9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed. 12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” I believe in my heart that the great day of God’s wrath is fast approaching and these slain souls who are crying out won’t have to wait long before their blood is avenged by the Lamb, the right arm of the Almighty God. http://therightscoop.com/horrible-isis-jihadis-gun-down-another-christian-in-front-of-wife-and-children-in-egypt/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsKidd Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 So what did Osiris say about ISIS and Egypt. Christians are fleeing due to attacks by the terrorist. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/24/world/middleeast/egypt-coptic-christians-sinai.html?_r=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 So what did Osiris say about ISIS and Egypt. Christians are fleeing due to attacks by the terrorist. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/24/world/middleeast/egypt-coptic-christians-sinai.html?_r=0 I said ISIS operates mostly in the Sinai, and most Egyptian Christians don't live there. Nothing in this article disproves that. Dozens of Christian families fleeing does not equal genocide. I never said they don't attack Christians. They do, and attack Muslims in Egypt, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 If I could click my fingers and eliminate not only Christianity, but judaism and Islam from the entire world I would do that without a second thought for the true believers. Religion is a blight upon mankind and is doing nothing but hampering our progress and, in fact, harming everyone who comes in contact with it. There is not a plus side to religion. Some people will argue that it makes people live by a value system but that's utter nonsense. You should be doing that anyway, you shouldn't need to be threatened by the mysterious sky-man to do it. That would make you a 'god'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Ooooh. Trippy. Your powers to eliminate religion would start a new religion with you at the center Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Ooooh. Trippy. Your powers to eliminate religion would start a new religion with you at the center mind officially blown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 see avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsKidd Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 That would make you a 'god'. But you appear to take to the position that ISIS is not to be worried about in Egypt. I guess those Christians are leaving because....? China is next. However it doesn't sound like China isn't completely innocent in stirring up ISIS against them, at least from this article https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/8b91d571-14e4-3d6a-a71e-34f5eff885f6/isis-just-pledged-to-attack.html An article that sheds light on the tensions between China and the Uighurs (muslims residing in China). http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26414014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 But you appear to take to the position that ISIS is not to be worried about in Egypt. I guess those Christians are leaving because....? China is next. However it doesn't sound like China isn't completely innocent in stirring up ISIS against them, at least from this article https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/8b91d571-14e4-3d6a-a71e-34f5eff885f6/isis-just-pledged-to-attack.html An article that sheds light on the tensions between China and the Uighurs (muslims residing in China). http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26414014 Middle Easterners must have short memories. They don't want any part of the Mongolian horde. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsKidd Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Middle Easterners must have short memories. They don't want any part of the Mongolian horde. I'm not sure China is a country I would want to mess with right now either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 God damn Mongolians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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