Flugel Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Anyone hear about this? A lot the top 12-15 prospects are suddenly finding ways to drop down in the draft so trading back might not be such a bad idea afterall. Here's one of many articles about this: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2696168-tim-williams-admits-he-failed-multiple-drug-tests-at-alabama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Details? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted March 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Details? I was going back to get the link while you replied so here it is again: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2696168-tim-williams-admits-he-failed-multiple-drug-tests-at-alabama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Details? The Details are out. Snooze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 So cross him off the board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted March 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Here's another article about it. Tim Williams admits he failed 'a few' drug tests at Alabama by Jack Browne 19h ago Trevor Ruszkowski / USA TODAY Sports While some prospects at the NFL combine are focused on proving themselves on the field, others are attempting to downplay issues off of it. One of those is former Alabama standout Tim Williams. Most consider the linebacker a first-round talent, but questions about his character could cause teams to pass on him. It was reported that Williams failed multiple drugs tests while at Alabama, and the 23-year-old admitted that was true Saturday at the combine, saying he'd failed "a few," according to Eric Edholm of Yahoo Sports. Williams didn't go into details about how many tests he failed or what substances he tested positive for. "(I'm a) young player making decisions that I grew from," Williams said, according to Chase Goodbread of NFL.com. "That's what life is about - being a man on and off the field, owning up to your mistakes. Everyone makes them. I'm not here dancing around and joking. I know I'm here with something to prove. I'm obviously behind the eight ball, so I'm here to prove not only to myself but to every organization that if they get me, they're going to get the best player here." Williams' openness about his past issues will likely sit well with teams, but it'll be the one-on-one interviews that will prove pivotal to his draft stock. "I'm going in and being completely honest. This is a billion-dollar industry. They've got all their homework and they know everything about you," Williams said. "You can't go in there and just be dishonest, because a first impression is a last impression. ... So far they've respected me for that." If the pass-rusher can convince teams he's not a risk off the field, he should hear his name called on Day 1. If not, a draft-day fall is possible in what is a strong edge class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Round 5+ sounds about right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 The Details are out. Snooze You are a very bitter man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 So cross him off the board How bout test before your cleared to participate in combine? Add 14 of top 32 have medicals to clear. I'd sit right at #12 & my phone is on busy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 There's too many good edge talents to burn a first rounder on him, but I probably wouldn't hesitate in the 3rd provided it was a team need. He's the best pure pass rusher in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 if tim williams is the best pure pass rusher in this draft.... Garrett is not worth the number 1... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Garrett doesn't have a character issues, has a higher ceiling AS A PASS RUSHER, and has proven he can do other things (except look good in a backpedaling drill, apparently--oh what will we do!). No comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Guns and drugs, he and Gordon could be road roomies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 A 'few' failed tests? No thanks. Consideration if he falls down draft boards though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 UDFA with that baggage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 He's a lock to be drafted by the squealers then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Tim Williams & Foster now have borrowed Kizer's iPod to plug into some Lione Richie's Sail on down the board. Bout a, round or so. And a, don't really wanna know. A where your goin. It was plain to see. That a, small town dope like me.Just a,wasn't your cup of tea. It WAS, wishful thinkin...now back to my mowin drinkin.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 A 'few' failed tests? Yeah... and that's not including the baggie found in his car or the gun charge. Gotta love BAMA justice... Few failed + baggie + illegal carry = snooze.... lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 All's fair in big time college football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 All's fair in big time college football. Apparently a bit more fair in Tuscaloosa . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted March 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Apparently a bit more fair in Tuscaloosa . I can't wait to hear the Hillbillies calling into the Nashville's sports radio 70 miles North of the Bama border. It'll be all about the evil agenda to take down Alabama's domination of the SEC. I'll try to remember the funny stuff I hear tomorrow morning for yuz because it's gonna be a rip snortin riot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Apparently a bit more fair in Tuscaloosa . Back on that "Urban is a good man who doesn't play games" soapbox [of lies]? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 i think its pretty clear you have either no issues with character or are biased to your southern brothers war. The latter really affects your ability to judge player abilities fairly and they former is just a preference. the Raiders come to mind in that regard as do the pats. These type of prospects are a great use of your comp picks and later round picks where the risk assessment is better. I'd take foster in the middle rounds same with williams. The only people hurt by their behavior are themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Back on that "Urban is a good man who doesn't play games" soapbox [of lies]? Who the fuck are you quoting? Wasn't me, I said 'pulls no punches'. Get at me when you see one of our players admit to multiple failed tests, possession, gun charges and such that Tour highlighted and never hear much of a peep about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Who the fuck are you quoting? Wasn't me, I said 'pulls no punches'. Get at me when you see one of our players admit to multiple failed tests, possession, gun charges and such that Tour highlighted and never hear much of a peep about it. Right. Sorry I didn't remember the exact two month-old quote. I had a buddy on the roster. That no one has admitted to anything means nothing. Ohio State is dirty, like every other big time program. And Urban definitely pulls punches. Is Alabama probably the best in the country at "playing the game"? Yeah. Is O State in the top 5? In my estimation, without a doubt. Urban is a grade A a**hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Bit off topic but i think OSU gets away with a TON of shit on the field. It's one of the reasons i would avoid players from the program especially lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 i think its pretty clear you have either no issues with character or are biased to your southern brothers war. The latter really affects your ability to judge player abilities fairly and they former is just a preference. the Raiders come to mind in that regard as do the pats. These type of prospects are a great use of your comp picks and later round picks where the risk assessment is better. I'd take foster in the middle rounds same with williams. The only people hurt by their behavior are themselves I don't need my favorite team to have my morality. If I met any individual player personally, I'd be more than happy to tell them about the grace of Jesus Christ and realize they are saved if they'll just believe. But it matters not to me the character makeup of my favorite football team. Why would it? It's a football team. They're not babysitting my kids. They're not going to lunch with my wife. They're not the elders at my church. They're football players. So I choose to care about whether or not they can play football. Believe me, being a fan is easier when you get rid of this ridiculous self-righteousness about people you don't even know who have zero relevance to your life outside of playing football. If their character flaws are an inhibition to their ability to play football, then I will allow them to enter my purview. And that's why I wouldn't spend a first rounder on Tim Williams (if these character issues were NOT present and we weren't already likely taking Garrett, I absolutely would be cool with a 1st on TW). But the suspensions are somewhat minimal (see Miller, Von) and suspensions for weed will likely go away in the next few years anyway. Furthermore, we have a boatload of picks. So yeah, I'd be willing to drop a 3rd on this kind of talent if he shows me he won't let his habits affect the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Bit off topic but i think OSU gets away with a TON of shit on the field. It's one of the reasons i would avoid players from the program especially lineman. The football field is a very violent and dark place. We're shielded from that in the stands or on our couches but that's another reason you need enforcers. Guys are poking out eyes, punching guts, pulling a Clemson and checking guys' oil. Whatever people can do to gain an edge. Another reason not to sweat these guys on a deeper level, because if half the fans really knew, they probably wouldn't even watch the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted March 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Right. Sorry I didn't remember the exact two month-old quote. I had a buddy on the roster. That no one has admitted to anything means nothing. Ohio State is dirty, like every other big time program. And Urban definitely pulls punches. Is Alabama probably the best in the country at "playing the game"? Yeah. Is O State in the top 5? In my estimation, without a doubt. Urban is a grade A a**hole. So it shouldn't be any problem to understand Nick Saban is also a grade A a**hole. Just listen to some of his press conferences if you haven't already done so when he's ripping reporters a new ass after his team rathoused somebody by over 49 points when he's blaming the media for the reason his team took the opponent way too lightly after reading how good they are. And did you ever see the Junction Boys movie about Bear Bryant and how he treated players? Nice guys make terrific friends but they're not always the elite football coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 I'm aware of all of that. That's my point. People that think their guy is the most moral are delusional. Just be glad your guy isn't Paterno or Briles and accept the fact that he treats many players like meat, has probably run out on his wife many times, and has chosen a profession that pretty much by definition makes him a horrible father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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