OldBrownsFan Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 Wire tapping occurred... of Russian Officials and agents. Can't be helped that Trump aides were on the other end of the line. Which appears to be what happened to Gen Flynn. The problem though is the intelligence agencies are supposed to protect the privacy rights of American citizens when they are on the wiretaps. Why did Obama change the NSA rules two weeks before he left office except to try and make sure leaks came out. And sure enough Flynn's conversation with the Russian ambassador was leaked to the Washington Post (even though it was illegal to do so). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 wait...the cia got hacking tools from russia.... so they can use them and make it look like the russians did it, and set republicans up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 It must be beautiful in your thoughtless world where everything is so easy... and yet, the judges are secret, so how do you act like you know better? The way things have been going with obamao's eight years.... of course it's probable - you're just all soaked in Egypt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 Robbie Mook rolls on Obama http://yournewswire.com/clinton-obama-illegal-wiretapping/ You do realize that the man pictured at the top of the article is not Mook, but rather Cory Lewandowski... AKA Trump's first campaign manager. But funny thing... it turns out that Lewandowski was the campaign official who authorized Carter Page's trip to Russia... The same Carter Page who introduced J.D. Gordon, National Security Advisor to the Trump campaign, to the Russian ambassador in Cleveland... during the RNC Convention... where the Ambassador also "met" with our new AG, Jefferson Beauregard Sessions... but I digress... The same J.D. Gordon who has said he did in fact get the plank in the RNC Platform on the Ukraine "softened" on behalf of the Trump campaign... The same J.D. Gordon who has now said he undertook the above effort at the request of candidate Donald J. Trump himself. An effort our President said in an interview with George Stephanopolis that he 'knew nothing about'. And now we have reports of a former associate of Paul Manafort who was the 2nd Trump Campaign Manager (the one who took $14mm from the Russian puppet head of the Ukraine) coming out.. The associate's name is Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian who worked for Manafort in the Ukraine. The reports are he flew to the states to deliver a Kremlin request to Manafort to soften the Ukraine language in the platform. I'm going to guess he was surveilled. No surprise that Manafort is seen in several interviews denying any knowledge of or involvement in the platform change... The fog is lifting... and this shit is getting real... it's going to make a great book someday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 Why did Obama change the NSA rules two weeks before he left office except to try and make sure leaks came out. Not sure what "rule change" you are alluding to, but the the information dissemination is an easy one... Obama was afraid that if the info was left in one neat little pile that it would have been disappeared as soon as the incoming administration realized what was in the pile. And every shred of evidence in the on-going time line screams that his fear was genuine. People's exhibit #1: Were that info not disseminated then we would still have Flynn heading the NSC, because his lie to Pence would never have become public. Trump knew Flynn lied to Pence and Sean Spicer nearly two weeks before the proof was leaked to the press... and Trump chose to do nothing. Within days of the leak, Flynn was out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 not SURE ??? "WHAT RULE CHANGE?" Repeatedly totally soaked in Egypt. Obama expands the NSA's ability to share data with other agencies www.engadget.com/2017/01/12/obama-expands-the-nsas-a... Jan 12, 2017 ... The rule changes open up the NSA's trove of raw data to other ... and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court also approved the sharing of ... Next: Obama administration signs off on wider data-sharing for... nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2017/01/16/obama-administra... Jan 16, 2017 ... Obama administration signs off on wider data-sharing for NSA ... The new rules mean that the FBI, the CIA, the DEA, and intelligence agencies of the US military's ... The changes usher in two sweeping surveillance powers for ... Politics|NSA Gets More Latitude to Share Intercepted... www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/us/politics/nsa-gets-more... Jan 12, 2017 ... The change means that far more officials will be searching through raw data. ... The other intelligence agencies will now have to follow those rules, too. ... Obama Administration Set to Expand Sharing of Data That N.S.A. ... Obama Changed Rules Regarding Raw Intelligence, Allowing NSA ... yro.slashdot.org/story/17/01/12/206230/obama-changed... Jan 12, 2017 ... Obama Changed Rules Regarding Raw Intelligence, Allowing NSA To ...... according to the document this post will now be retained and shared ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 People's exhibit #1: Were that info not disseminated then we would still have Flynn heading the NSC, because his lie to Pence would never have become public. Trump knew Flynn lied to Pence and Sean Spicer nearly two weeks before the proof was leaked to the press... and Trump chose to do nothing. Within days of the leak, Flynn was out. ***************** It was obvious than that Trump was going to handle the situation with Flynn in house and didn't think it was serious enough to fire Flynn about. When the government leaked the information out about Flynn they were involving themselves into the political realm something they should not be doing especially if there is no evidence of any crime (Flynn not being truthful was not a criminal act). Then Trump was pressured into taking action against Flynn. It was totally unfair to Flynn who had his privacy rights violated by the government as his conversation with the Russian ambassador was never by law to be made public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 not SURE ??? "WHAT RULE CHANGE?" Repeatedly totally soaked in Egypt. Thanks for the rule changes refs... look great... or at least useful in this instance. As for the insult? Sorry.... don't know it, so you'll have to explain it if you want it to carry any weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 It was obvious than that Trump was going to handle the situation with Flynn in house and didn't think it was serious enough to fire Flynn about. When the government leaked the information out about Flynn they were involving themselves into the political realm something they should not be doing especially if there is no evidence of any crime (Flynn not being truthful was not a criminal act). Then Trump was pressured into taking action against Flynn. It was totally unfair to Flynn who had his privacy rights violated by the government as his conversation with the Russian ambassador was never by law to be made public. I am truly sorry you feel that way, OBF... truly. And I know you and many more here will disagree with what I will now write... It is anything but obvious that Trump was going to "handle the situation." It was obvious to everyone with an open mind that once the leak was out Flynn was gone.... sooner or later... he was gone. Flynn sent the Vice President of the United States of America and other administration officials out to purposely lie to the American people. Flynn lied to them knowing they would repeat the lie to us. Trump knew this... days before we did... and he did nothing. What he did not know is that there were others who knew Flynn was perpetuating a lie... including the eventual leaker. The leak was not a political act... it was an act of patriotism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 I am truly sorry you feel that way, OBF... truly. And I know you and many more here will disagree with what I will now write... It is anything but obvious that Trump was going to "handle the situation." It was obvious to everyone with an open mind that once the leak was out Flynn was gone.... sooner or later... he was gone. Flynn sent the Vice President of the United States of America and other administration officials out to purposely lie to the American people. Flynn lied to them knowing they would repeat the lie to us. Trump knew this... days before we did... and he did nothing. What he did not know is that there were others who knew Flynn was perpetuating a lie... including the eventual leaker. The leak was not a political act... it was an act of patriotism. When it comes to lying what the lie was about comes into play. As Charles Krauthammer said this was a cover up without a crime. It was not a big deal that Flynn as part of the incoming administration would talk to the Russians. Matter of fact it would be expected. Susan Rice went on five Sunday talk shows to spread a much more serious lie that Benghazi happened over a youtube video. Shortly later Obama would promote her. ********************************** "The leak was not a political act... it was an act of patriotism." Sure it was political. This was not a leak to inform the public. It was a leak to specific journalists, at specific papers, with a clear intent of political assassination through the manipulation of public opinion. They wanted to illegally use intelligence information to take a scalp from a Trump administration they hate, and they knew they could do this through mainstream media journalists. "It is surreal to watch Democrats act as though lying to the public is some grave firing offense when President Obama’s top national security official, James Clapper, got caught red-handed not only lying to the public but also to Congress — about a domestic surveillance program that courts ruled was illegal. And despite the fact that lying to Congress is a felony, he kept his job until the very last day of the Obama presidency." ********************************** Although I don't think Flynn should have been fired over this apparently there are some other things and it might not have been a bad idea to fire him as there were more shoes to drop: New Disclosures Show It Was Probably A Good Idea To Fire Michael Flynn Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/08/new-disclosures-show-it-was-probably-a-good-idea-to-fire-michael-flynn/#ixzz4aoDvPkZb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 I am truly sorry you feel that way, OBF... truly. And I know you and many more here will disagree with what I will now write... It is anything but obvious that Trump was going to "handle the situation." It was obvious to everyone with an open mind that once the leak was out Flynn was gone.... sooner or later... he was gone. Flynn sent the Vice President of the United States of America and other administration officials out to purposely lie to the American people. Flynn lied to them knowing they would repeat the lie to us. Trump knew this... days before we did... and he did nothing. What he did not know is that there were others who knew Flynn was perpetuating a lie... including the eventual leaker. The leak was not a political act... it was an act of patriotism. Sure...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 Ummmm... no... That is a lie, but you get one free repeat out of ignorance. Umm....yes. You get nothing for being an asshole. In Chapter 36 of Title 50 of the US Code *War and National Defense", Subchapter 1, Section 1802, we read the following: (1) Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year if the Attorney General certifies in writing under oath that— (A) the electronic surveillance is solely directed at— (i) the acquisition of the contents of communications transmitted by means of communications used exclusively between or among foreign powers, as defined in section 1801(a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title; or (ii) the acquisition of technical intelligence, other than the spoken communications of individuals, from property or premises under the open and exclusive control of a foreign power, as defined in section 1801(a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title; ( there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party; and © the proposed minimization procedures with respect to such surveillance meet the definition of minimization procedures under section 1801(h) of this title; and if the Attorney General reports such minimization procedures and any changes thereto to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence at least thirty days prior to their effective date, unless the Attorney General determines immediate action is required and notifies the committees immediately of such minimization procedures and the reason for their becoming effective immediately. While ( seems to contradict the underlying permissive nature of Section 1802 as it involves a United States person, what the Snowden affair has demonstrated all too clearly, is how frequently the NSA and FISA court would make US citizens collateral damage. To be sure, many pointed out the fact that Fox News correspondent James Rosen was notoriously wiretapped in 2013 when the DOJ was investigating government leaks. The Associated Press was also infamously wiretapped in relation to the same investigation. As pertains to Trump, the Guardian reported as much in early January, when news of the alleged anti-Trump dossier by former UK spy Chris Steele broke in January: The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (Fisa) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. The Fisa court turned down the application asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus. According to one report, the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October, but that has not been confirmed, and it is not clear whether any warrant led to a full investigation. Furthermore, while most Democrats - not to mention former president Obama himself - have been harshly critical of Trump's comments, some such as former Obama speechwriter Jon Favreau was quite clear in his warning to reporters that Obama did not say there was no wiretapping, effectively confirming it: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 Tour I just can't get on board with the idea that a partisan intelligence community leaking State secrets could be considered an act of patriotism unless someone is so Twisted with hatred of Donald Trump that they can't see anything else. Unfortunately that's the case for a lot of people. The Democrats of course who are Furious that the rug was pulled out from under them why an interloper also the Republicans who are shocked that people didn't just sign on to the same old shit, namely Jeb Bush, they've been passing out for years. Lindsey Graham and John McCain appear to have a personal grudge. The Press has circled the wagons because they are attacked for doing just what they do only ten fold down. But let's say that it was the Russians and the Russians alone that uncovered all the dirt with the DNC. Exactly who disseminated that information and why would it not be an act of patriotism to show the voters that the Democrats are dirtier than anyone imagined? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 I am truly sorry you feel that way, OBF... truly. And I know you and many more here will disagree with what I will now write... It is anything but obvious that Trump was going to "handle the situation." It was obvious to everyone with an open mind that once the leak was out Flynn was gone.... sooner or later... he was gone. And I don't see anything wrong in this situation for Trump to quietly admonish Flynn for not being totally honest because the lie itself was a nothingburger. Flynn did nothing any other officials of an incoming administration haven't done in speaking with the Russian ambassador. Flynn sent the Vice President of the United States of America and other administration officials out to purposely lie to the American people. Flynn lied to them knowing they would repeat the lie to us. A nothingburger lie. Trump knew this... days before we did... and he did nothing. What he did not know is that there were others who knew Flynn was perpetuating a lie... including the eventual leaker. And he knew Flynn lied about a non story. The leak was not a political act... it was an act of patriotism. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 Latest picture released by CIA: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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calfoxwc Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpCgqUXIR5A https://youtu.be/bpCgqUXIR5A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 Excellent bit - at 7:30, Hannity brings up about the CIA having stolen hacking tools from other countries.... and they can use them secretly, and it will be blamed on those other countries. Which obamao and the rest of the stinking leftist revolutionaries happily parrot. Big, serious, trouble is here. Our gov is being taken over by the left in important depts. Some movies and tv shows apparently are based on fact. Not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 Umm....yes. You get nothing for being an asshole. In Chapter 36 of Title 50 of the US Code *War and National Defense", Subchapter 1, Section 1802, we read the following: (1) Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year if the Attorney General certifies in writing under oath that— (A) the electronic surveillance is solely directed at— (i) the acquisition of the contents of communications transmitted by means of communications used exclusively between or among foreign powers, as defined in section 1801(a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title; or (ii) the acquisition of technical intelligence, other than the spoken communications of individuals, from property or premises under the open and exclusive control of a foreign power, as defined in section 1801(a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title; ( there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party; and © the proposed minimization procedures with respect to such surveillance meet the definition of minimization procedures under section 1801(h) of this title; and if the Attorney General reports such minimization procedures and any changes thereto to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence at least thirty days prior to their effective date, unless the Attorney General determines immediate action is required and notifies the committees immediately of such minimization procedures and the reason for their becoming effective immediately. While ( seems to contradict the underlying permissive nature of Section 1802 as it involves a United States person, what the Snowden affair has demonstrated all too clearly, is how frequently the NSA and FISA court would make US citizens collateral damage. To be sure, many pointed out the fact that Fox News correspondent James Rosen was notoriously wiretapped in 2013 when the DOJ was investigating government leaks. The Associated Press was also infamously wiretapped in relation to the same investigation. As pertains to Trump, the Guardian reported as much in early January, when news of the alleged anti-Trump dossier by former UK spy Chris Steele broke in January: The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (Fisa) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. The Fisa court turned down the application asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus. According to one report, the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October, but that has not been confirmed, and it is not clear whether any warrant led to a full investigation. Furthermore, while most Democrats - not to mention former president Obama himself - have been harshly critical of Trump's comments, some such as former Obama speechwriter Jon Favreau was quite clear in his warning to reporters that Obama did not say there was no wiretapping, effectively confirming it: Did you not read or simply not comprehend that which you cited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 So the bottom line is sure some citizens got wiretapped but the president probably didn't put on a black leotard and run the wiring personally? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted March 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 So their continued contention is that obama basically ordered the FBI to do this "just cause", with zero proof of it. Zero. Notice how trump himself has stfu about it cause he's got dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 Maybe. Nixon didn't order the Watergate break-in either but... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted March 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 Maybe. Nixon didn't order the Watergate break-in either but... WSS But that break in was a crime. The fbi getting their fisa order on their own is not a crime even if he did know about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Axe Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Sadly, the reality of that meme is, the facts within that meme will completely escape them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 So the bottom line is sure some citizens got wiretapped but the president probably didn't put on a black leotard and run the wiring personally? WSS Oh, I suspect the Black Leotard with accompanying "tools" may be what the Russians have on him that is leading him to systematically betray our country. Blind worshipers like Steven "Joseph G." Miller and Kellyanne "Eva B." Conway just can't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Oh, I suspect the Black Leotard with accompanying "tools" may be what the Russians have on him that is leading him to systematically betray our country. Blind worshipers like Steven "Joseph G." Miller and Kellyanne "Eva B." Conway just can't see it. Thank you Senator McCarthy. How's that bomb shelter coming along? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Did you not read or simply not comprehend that which you cited? I read and understood. I think you comprehend only what your left leaning brain wants to comprehend. It's a fact, whether you want to accept it or not. You won't because you're a 'Mr. Knowitall' personality, and can't accept when your wrong. Well pardner, your wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Let's be fair, I really respect Tour's opinions, they are always pretty legit. About football. Here, nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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