Westside Steve Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 I think most of the actual programs the president has suggested would go over well with just about everyone. Lower corporate tax streamlining some entitlements loosening up the EPA etcetera. I think he fucked up by making his first big effort out of the box the travel ban. First of all he should realize nothing he does will get fair treatment in the Press. He made the Republicans and the Democrats and press look like a bunch of fools, which they probably are. It's just that the travel ban doesn't really help anything and he should have spent that effort on Extreme vetting and waited until after the Supreme Court nomination was settled. That should have been his first Act. Then the EPA then the corporate tax. Then worry about replace Obamacare because again even though people bitch most of them don't care period they either get Medicaid for nothing or don't notice what they pay because their employers pick up the tab. Personally I think the travel ban was wasted energy and it would be harder to find people to disagree with increased security in extreme vetting. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 And go easy with the Twitter account unless you know something that will end up you being proved correct. Let them form at the mouth and then spring the proof. Fatigue sets in with any president no need to hurry it along. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 " Lower corporate tax " - you clearly paid no attention to Bernie's policies and supporters if you think it goes over well with everybody. I'm actually in favour of it, but it's not universal. Same for the EPA stuff. But I agree with your general point - he came into office with a very small amount of public goodwill and political capital, and just spunked it all on the travel ban to get the cal-base worked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 And go easy with the Twitter account unless you know something that will end up you being proved correct. Let them form at the mouth and then spring the proof. Fatigue sets in with any president no need to hurry it along. WSS Jesus yes. The president can't be sued for defamation or libel, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 " Lower corporate tax " - you clearly paid no attention to Bernie's policies and supporters if you think it goes over well with everybody. I'm actually in favour of it, but it's not universal. Same for the EPA stuff. But I agree with your general point - he came into office with a very small amount of public goodwill and political capital, and just spunked it all on the travel ban to get the cal-base worked up. Sure you are correct there Chris there'll always be 25 to 30% who hate the fuckers guts no matter what. And no I don't take Bernie's supporters very seriously. I think they got a lot of attention but I don't think at this point in time we are ready for socialism. Someday probably like the frog in the pot. Mostly the lower corporate tax would go over with conservatives Independents and moderates, not the harder left. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 I'll throw something out there that might get labelled as communist or whatever. These days, we can all agree it's fairly easy for a company to move its base of operations overseas - say to the cayman islands, monaco, luxembourg, wherever - to escape corporation tax. How about a global corporation tax? Of course it'll never happen because many bad reasons, but on the surface, it doesn't seem like a terrible thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 BTW a lot of what Trump said - not did, said - aligned with what a lot of Bernie supporters wanted. Drain the swamp, get rid of the leeches in government, take on big pharma, take on wall street etc. Bernie has basically been saying "well go on then" since the election. Obviously we've seen reality is different to rhetoric, but still, there's a lot of crossover, if Trump weren't such a colossal dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 I imagine there would be pros and cons. I don't think anybody is ready for Uno Mundo yet. In the 17 hundreds we weren't ready for a homogenized federal government either. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 For sure. There's just a lot of ways for companies to dodge paying money while exploiting near slave labour because the rules in the country just across the border - literally in your case - are so lax. I mean, at some point, a global taxation rate and minimum wage would take care of that, but you can't tell people in South Sudan they have to start paying employees $15/hour tomorrow. So, frog, pot etc. Nice analogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 And even if companies have an easier choice between moving out of the country and paying less in taxes here I think we're better off to keep the companies in the US. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Basically, there's one way to keep companies in the US, that's to make them indifferent to moving abroad. There are two ways to achieve that (ignoring skilled talent pool because we're talking the lower end of the pay scale generally) - make it cheaper in the US, or make it more expensive elsewhere. I'm in favour of the latter, raising the standard of living around the world, rather than lowering the standard of living in the US (or UK). And even if the wages paid are the same, if the tax generated by companies in the US is halved, that's a lot less money getting spent on average joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Basically, there's one way to keep companies in the US, that's to make them indifferent to moving abroad. There are two ways to achieve that (ignoring skilled talent pool because we're talking the lower end of the pay scale generally) - make it cheaper in the US, or make it more expensive elsewhere. I'm in favour of the latter, raising the standard of living around the world, rather than lowering the standard of living in the US (or UK). And even if the wages paid are the same, if the tax generated by companies in the US is halved, that's a lot less money getting spent on average joe. Can't imagine that it's only the hourly rate that makes things cheaper to build elsewhere. I mean Subaru has a plant in Fort Wayne Honda has one in Marysville and they are paying wages similar to what the unions get. I'm guessing tax and said of must mean something. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 BTW a lot of what Trump said - not did, said - aligned with what a lot of Bernie supporters wanted. Drain the swamp, get rid of the leeches in government, take on big pharma, take on wall street etc. Bernie has basically been saying "well go on then" since the election. Obviously we've seen reality is different to rhetoric, but still, there's a lot of crossover, if Trump weren't such a colossal dick. here we go. Progressive yuppie "we are the world", and the UN one world government redistribution of wealth mentality, which is... just worse than ignorant. See Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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