CaineDeSoulis Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 The SPARQ for the 2017 draft class is up. as you guys know we drafted quite a few players that were near the tops of these lists so look closely at the top 5 in all spots and i can pretty much guarantee that were going to get more than one of them before the start of next season. I'll start with QB's "Note that the “NFL%” and “z-score” columns refer to the NFL positional averages and not to the draft positional averages. This means that a 0.0 z-score and 50.0 percentile would represent a player who rates as a league-average NFL athlete at the position. The average NFL player is pretty athletic, so this designation is not at all a poor result." 1. Trevor Knight NFL% 96.2 2. Josh Dobbs NFL% 87.93. Deshaun Watson NFL% 81.44. Davis Webb NFL% 79.45. Mitch Leidner NFL% 75.36. Pat Mahomes NFL% 68.37. Mitchell Trubisky NFL% 63.5 8. Nathan Peterman NFL% 48.2 9. Jerrod Evans NFL% 33.810. De Shone Kizer NFL% 29.0For Comparison sake I'll add a few other QBCarson Wentz 81.4Paxton Lynch 81.7Jared Goff 26.0Jameis Winston 20.0Marcus Mariota 96.0 Cody Kessler 34.3Couple other points of note is that for the most part RB's generally speaking sucked this year. Only 8 showing to be above NFL Average compared to 14 in 2016.List of players that were in the top 10 of these lists that we drafted last year or sign as FACorey Coleman,Ricardo Louis,Seth Devalve,Dan Vitale,Darius Jackson,Anthony Fabiano,OgbahHonorable Mention to Kindred (24th)TE Class athletically are as good as advertised but Seth Devalve scored higher than anyone in both classes to his credit he has the highest recorded score for a TE period.OL for 2017 looks to be awful athletically especially if compared to 2016.Defensive Lineman look to be awful in 2017 when compared to 2016.EDGE Looks to be quite a bit better in 2017 than in 2016 and that is without Myles Garrett in the mix.Off-LOS LB looks to be a poor year to draft backers.CB Has a Few standouts and it will be a good year to draft some. Kevin King posted an nfl score of 99.3% making him one of the top 5 most athletic corners in the nfl. Great Year for corners.S 2017 is looking comparable to 2016 as far as S is concerned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 Interesting numbers will be nice to see how close to them the teams actually draft their players. The NFL Draft is one of the ultimate meat markets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted March 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 I'm Really Surprised that in testing Cody Kessler is more of an athlete than Kizer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 What was Kessler's %? I was surprised Winston's percentage was so low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted March 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 What was Kessler's %? I was surprised Winston's percentage was so low. sorry i meant to put that on the first post. 34.3% Also is looking to be a bust if he doesn't do something in 2017. Kinda the same with Blake Bortles though. Winston and Blake share an INT Percentage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richiswhere Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 Kessler was 34.3%We also have 2 of the top 5 running backs from last year (4) Dan Vitale 96.6% & (5) Darius Jackson 96.2% and just for comparison sake (42) Ezekiel Elliott was at 45.7%"50.0 percentile would represent a player who rates as a league-average NFL athlete at the position" From this year running backs Davlin Cook at 9% I would put SPARQ at 100% in the complete trash rating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted March 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 Kessler was 34.3% We also have 2 of the top 5 running backs from last year (4) Dan Vitale 96.6% & (5) Darius Jackson 96.2% and just for comparison sake (42) Ezekiel Elliott was at 45.7% "50.0 percentile would represent a player who rates as a league-average NFL athlete at the position" From this year running backs Davlin Cook at 9% I would put SPARQ at 100% in the complete trash rating whats so hard to believe about Ezekiel Elliot being a slightly below average athlete at the RB position? i didnt think it needed mentioning but these ratings only determine how athletic an athlete is compared to the nfl and is not a measure of guaranteed success but a way of looking at potential. the rating also can't show who knows HOW to use their talents and who does NOT know how to use them. Merely that the talent may be there if a coach can develop it. And because of his poor SPARQ rating and performance in the combine his stock is not a top 10 pick but of a mid to late round 1 pick if round 1 at all. No RB has ever been selected in round one with that low of a SPARQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richiswhere Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 whats so hard to believe about Ezekiel Elliot being a slightly below average athlete at the RB position? i didnt think it needed mentioning but these ratings only determine how athletic an athlete is compared to the nfl and is not a measure of guaranteed success but a way of looking at potential. the rating also can't show who knows HOW to use their talents and who does NOT know how to use them. Merely that the talent may be there if a coach can develop it. And because of his poor SPARQ rating and performance in the combine his stock is not a top 10 pick but of a mid to late round 1 pick if round 1 at all. No RB has ever been selected in round one with that low of a SPARQ. Thank you for confirming the SPARQ is 100% complete trash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted March 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 Thank you for confirming the SPARQ is 100% complete trash Actual NFL scouts/evaluators tend to disagree with you as does past precedence and history and statistical evaluation. but hey your completely baseless opinion is probably worth just as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Confirming my belief we'all be taking Josh Dobbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 True or False - Josh McCown has the 5th highest Sparq score off all players since 1999. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted March 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 True or False - Josh McCown has the 5th highest Sparq score off all players since 1999. Absolutely True McCown was an insane athlete at the QB spot. he was drafted in the 3rd round and had more interceptions in his college career than TD and had a comp of 51% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Confirming my belief we'all be taking Josh Dobbs. I'd rather take this guy after round 1 than any QB in round 1. Where I live - Tennessee is on TV every week so I've seen a lot of progress from the QB that offered enough promise to entice Nathan Peterman to transfer out (now a draft prospect with a proud resume at Pitt). His 4 year body of work looks like this: 2013 5 games 695 yds 5.7 ypa 59.5 cmp% 2 TD 6 INT 2014 6 games 1206 yds 6.8 ypa 68.3 cmp% 9 TD 6 INT 2015 13 games 2291 yds 6.7 ypa 59.6 cmp% 15 TD 5 INT 2016 13 games 2946 yds 8.3 ypa 63.0 cmp % 27 TD 12 INT 4.0 GPA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 I'd rather take this guy after round 1 than any QB in round 1. Where I live - Tennessee is on TV every week so I've seen a lot of progress from the QB that offered enough promise to entice Nathan Peterman to transfer out (now a draft prospect with a proud resume at Pitt). His 4 year body of work looks like this: 2013 5 games 695 yds 5.7 ypa 59.5 cmp% 2 TD 6 INT 2014 6 games 1206 yds 6.8 ypa 68.3 cmp% 9 TD 6 INT 2015 13 games 2291 yds 6.7 ypa 59.6 cmp% 15 TD 5 INT 2016 13 games 2946 yds 8.3 ypa 63.0 cmp % 27 TD 12 INT 4.0 GPA PITT football and their new coach certainly have the program on an upswing again. Plus the real test of recruiting and drafting has always been telling the differences between a good player on a good team/program and the better player on a bad team without the gaudy stats. Makes the NFL Draft the great crap shoot that it is and we love, well better if your team does well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Absolutely True McCown was an insane athlete at the QB spot. he was drafted in the 3rd round and had more interceptions in his college career than TD and had a comp of 51% ding ding ding winner! Sparq to me seems like IQ. More of a measure of potential than anything. If you can match high Sparq with someone who's demonstrated they can apply their gifts bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 I've told friends for some time that Trevor Knight should be added to some team's PS to be developed as a SS. Size, speed, athleticism, toughness and very high drive to succeed. I might even consider taking him as a S.T. player in the 53 while he learns the SS position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 PITT football and their new coach certainly have the program on an upswing again. Plus the real test of recruiting and drafting has always been telling the differences between a good player on a good team/program and the better player on a bad team without the gaudy stats. Makes the NFL Draft the great crap shoot that it is and we love, well better if your team does well. Good point! Pitt was the only team that beat Clemson by a score of 43-42, which could have sparked their recruiting even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Give McCown 4 years on a decent team and..... So why not Knight? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Knight's an H-back. Pasty white guys don't covert to strong safety. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Knight's an H-back. Pasty white guys don't covert to strong safety. JMO Nebraska QBs used to only go into the pros as safeties. None of them set the world on fire but Scott Frost got a 5 year or so career out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Nebraska QBs used to only go into the pros as safeties. None of them set the world on fire but Scott Frost got a 5 year or so career out of it. After that, he eventually worked his way into an Offensive Coordinator position at the University of Oregon before the University of Central Florida hired him as their Head Coach presently. Leadership skills sometimes transfer from offense to defense to coaching... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 After that, he eventually worked his way into an Offensive Coordinator position at the University of Oregon before the University of Central Florida hired him as their Head Coach presently. Leadership skills sometimes transfer from offense to defense to coaching... My buddy lives in Orlando and is excited about what Frost is doing with UCF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Nebraska QBs used to only go into the pros as safeties. None of them set the world on fire but Scott Frost got a 5 year or so career out of it. Ok throw "nowadays" to the beginning of my previous statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Just because it doesn't happen often does not mean it can't happen. Every now and then a John Lynch shows up. He started out in football as a QB, but eventually converted to SS. And as for nowadays retirement only 10 years ago is close enough to qualify.War will eventually see that when he approaches oh 40-50 or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Ok throw "nowadays" to the beginning of my previous statement. Did you hear that they are starting to get moving picture boxes in their houses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 White folks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 White folks? Don't bring Christian McCaffrey into this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 The SPARQ for the 2017 draft class is up. as you guys know we drafted quite a few players that were near the tops of these lists so look closely at the top 5 in all spots and i can pretty much guarantee that were going to get more than one of them before the start of next season. I'll start with QB's "Note that the “NFL%” and “z-score” columns refer to the NFL positional averages and not to the draft positional averages. This means that a 0.0 z-score and 50.0 percentile would represent a player who rates as a league-average NFL athlete at the position. The average NFL player is pretty athletic, so this designation is not at all a poor result." 1. Trevor Knight NFL% 96.2 2. Josh Dobbs NFL% 87.9 3. Deshaun Watson NFL% 81.4 4. Davis Webb NFL% 79.4 5. Mitch Leidner NFL% 75.3 6. Pat Mahomes NFL% 68.3 7. Mitchell Trubisky NFL% 63.5 8. Nathan Peterman NFL% 48.2 9. Jerrod Evans NFL% 33.8 10. De Shone Kizer NFL% 29.0 For Comparison sake I'll add a few other QB Carson Wentz 81.4 Paxton Lynch 81.7 Jared Goff 26.0 Jameis Winston 20.0 Marcus Mariota 96.0 Cody Kessler 34.3 Couple other points of note is that for the most part RB's generally speaking sucked this year. Only 8 showing to be above NFL Average compared to 14 in 2016. List of players that were in the top 10 of these lists that we drafted last year or sign as FA Corey Coleman,Ricardo Louis,Seth Devalve,Dan Vitale,Darius Jackson,Anthony Fabiano,Ogbah Honorable Mention to Kindred (24th) TE Class athletically are as good as advertised but Seth Devalve scored higher than anyone in both classes to his credit he has the highest recorded score for a TE period. OL for 2017 looks to be awful athletically especially if compared to 2016. Defensive Lineman look to be awful in 2017 when compared to 2016. EDGE Looks to be quite a bit better in 2017 than in 2016 and that is without Myles Garrett in the mix. Off-LOS LB looks to be a poor year to draft backers. CB Has a Few standouts and it will be a good year to draft some. Kevin King posted an nfl score of 99.3% making him one of the top 5 most athletic corners in the nfl. Great Year for corners. S 2017 is looking comparable to 2016 as far as S is concerned All sound and fury, signifying nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Anyone find a link with the Sparq scores of the 32 current starters? That would make this more interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted March 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Anyone find a link with the Sparq scores of the 32 current starters? That would make this more interesting. That actually sounds like a fun project for this evening i'll see what i can do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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