VaporTrail Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Hatred of Trump is so strong that it's turning liberals into libertarians (links at the bottom). As a Trump supporter, I'm biased, so I want to know everyone else's thoughts. Seems like private industry, city, and state governments are stepping up to the plate to curtail climate change. Here's my question - what would have had a bigger effect - us staying in the (mostly meaningless) Paris Accord and relying on fed tax dollars to fix the problem, or withdrawing from it and motivating smaller players who were previously doing nothing of note to curtail climate change? I think the more obvious motivations for Trump to withdraw from the accord were as follows A - Give the middle finger to Obama and Merkel. B - his decision galvanizes his support in the Rust Belt. The Democrats are going to have an even tougher time prying those votes from Trump. If Trump motivating states and private industry to act on climate change was actually part of his plan, then he truly is playing 8d chess. https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/6f60r8/180_mayors_adopt_paris_climate_accord_after_us/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Tim Kaines tweet "lack of leadership " shot at Trump fails He ( represented as govt,interference) simply gets out of the way of letting the capable free markets develop and sell this important tech. that IS leadership! Way to go Trump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Trump is a genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 As Trump slaughters the left's sacred cow the left (particularly Hollywood liberals) heads are exploding and their Trump Derangement Syndrome goes into overdrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 6, 2017 Report Share Posted June 6, 2017 Oh bullshit. No way in hell Trump did this as part of some sort of 8D chess move to actually positively impact the climate. This is the guy that thinks climate change is a hoax invented by the Chinese. I realize you're a Trump fan but come on, be reasonable. Many companies were already making strides towards green energy, regardless of Trump's decision. I'm not sure how much motivation he's provided vs what was already there. I enjoyed that even through Trump said he represents "Pittsburgh not Paris" the Pittsburgh mayor called him out on leaving the agreement. I still think the govt. providing funding and imposing regulations is the quickest method towards making large scale, meaningful changes to curtail climate change. Not to mention Trump leaving continues to make the US look bad while undermining the efforts of the whole agreement to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted June 6, 2017 Report Share Posted June 6, 2017 Actually the hysteria over climate-change is, in my opinion, a hoax perpetrated on the rich countries of the world to get them to squeeze out a few more bucks for the poor countries. Sure climate-change is happening, no doubt. The solution? Send us a check. A big one. When you guys have people like Al Gore at the forefront of your movement you are fucked to begin with. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 6, 2017 Report Share Posted June 6, 2017 Actually the hysteria over climate-change is, in my opinion, a hoax perpetrated on the rich countries of the world to get them to squeeze out a few more bucks for the poor countries. Sure climate-change is happening, no doubt. The solution? Send us a check. A big one. When you guys have people like Al Gore at the forefront of your movement you are fucked to begin with. WSS Scientists are at the forefront of the movement. The issue has been politicized beyond belief. Mainly by the right, but by the left as well. The solution is much more than "send us a check", but if we're constantly having to argue against the lowest common denominator denier arguments, then we're barely going to make any real progress on the issue. I'd rather we argue over what to do than argue over whether that thing virtually all qualified scientists say is happening is actually happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted June 6, 2017 Report Share Posted June 6, 2017 Al Gore swore 20+ yrs ago that the 34217 would be under water by now.. I can tell you after yrs and yrs of careful study.. The water levels have not changed one effin inch.. Unless you are Maxine Waters and don't understand tides.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 6, 2017 Report Share Posted June 6, 2017 maxine isn't right.... needs a padded room and assistance in learning how to be a decent, intelligent human being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted June 6, 2017 Report Share Posted June 6, 2017 You both of course realize that post, is in fact, a parody account....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 6, 2017 Report Share Posted June 6, 2017 nope. how do you tell the difference between her real self and a nutjob parody? they are both very corrupt, and stupid, it seems to me. NOTE: http://www.dailywire.com/news/14903/7-things-you-need-know-about-maxine-waters-besides-aaron-bandler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted June 6, 2017 Report Share Posted June 6, 2017 “The rest of the world would like to tell us how to manage our own environment,” she said. “And I think that anybody in America can tell you that we’re best to decide what America should do. We don’t need India, and France, and China telling us what they think we should do.” She added, “American sovereignty matters.” UN Ambassador Nikki Haley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 6, 2017 Report Share Posted June 6, 2017 You both of course realize that post, is in fact, a parody account....? The tide goes in. The tide goes out. You can't explain that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted June 6, 2017 Report Share Posted June 6, 2017 Scientists are at the forefront of the movement. The issue has been politicized beyond belief. Mainly by the right, but by the left as well. The solution is much more than "send us a check", but if we're constantly having to argue against the lowest common denominator denier arguments, then we're barely going to make any real progress on the issue. I'd rather we argue over what to do than argue over whether that thing virtually all qualified scientists say is happening is actually happening. Almost no one denies that there is climate-change and almost no 1 denies that mankind might have some effect on it. But almost every International solution is based on the United States sending somebody a check. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted June 6, 2017 Report Share Posted June 6, 2017 So this is from a comedian. Should be easier for you to grasp. ? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted June 6, 2017 Report Share Posted June 6, 2017 And one of the reasons I believe this wanders into the political hoax category is the phrasing the interviewer uses at the very outset of the piece. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 6, 2017 Report Share Posted June 6, 2017 alas, poor Sheppie - his pretty qb's made him a fool, and his entire earth flooded in a few years nonsense made him a fool - he had to go hide on the net. It was always "Mr. Sheppie's Neighborhood" https://youtu.be/vmplK_MOEnc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted June 6, 2017 Report Share Posted June 6, 2017 According to NASA, the sea level has been rising for the past 20,000 years. It's up 0.93 FEET over the last 100 years. Somehow they're still selling beachfront mansions in Miami for $65 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted June 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2017 Oh bullshit. No way in hell Trump did this as part of some sort of 8D chess move to actually positively impact the climate. This is the guy that thinks climate change is a hoax invented by the Chinese. I realize you're a Trump fan but come on, be reasonable. You really think that Trump believes it's a hoax invented by the Chinese? Remember when he believed that Obama's birth certificate was a fake? Remember how he dropped the issue as soon as he won over the evangelicals? I'm sure a guy intelligent enough to manipulate the country into voting him their president understands climate change perfectly well. He's going to frame it in whichever way is the most politically convenient. I enjoyed that even through Trump said he represents "Pittsburgh not Paris" the Pittsburgh mayor called him out on leaving the agreement. As if the Democrat mayor of any major US city is going to side with Trump on anything. You seem to be forgetting that "Pittsburgh" represents this entire area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted June 6, 2017 Report Share Posted June 6, 2017 Woody doesn't have any common sense in case you haven't noticed the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 You really think that Trump believes it's a hoax invented by the Chinese? Remember when he believed that Obama's birth certificate was a fake? Remember how he dropped the issue as soon as he won over the evangelicals? I'm sure a guy intelligent enough to manipulate the country into voting him their president understands climate change perfectly well. He's going to frame it in whichever way is the most politically convenient. As if the Democrat mayor of any major US city is going to side with Trump on anything. You seem to be forgetting that "Pittsburgh" represents this entire area. I know you think Trump is some drunken Kung Fu 8D chess master, but the further we get into his presidency the more I think he's just an idiot. Our country is just full of idiots as well. On both sides I don't believe Trump has been tweeting stupid shit about climate change since 2011 in some masterful plan to win the conservative base in 2016. And yes, I realize Pittsburgh and it's mayor our blue. I just find it funny this was the one city Trump mentioned in his statement about leaving the Paris agreement, and that city's mayor immediately disagreed with Trump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted June 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 I know you think Trump is some drunken Kung Fu 8D chess master, but the further we get into his presidency the more I think he's just an idiot. Our country is just full of idiots as well. On both sides I don't believe Trump has been tweeting stupid shit about climate change since 2011 in some masterful plan to win the conservative base in 2016. He's been eyeing the presidency for decades. He ran as a Democrat in the 80s or 90s. He's used his time in the media business to learn about what fires up the average American TV viewer, and ran a campaign that unequivocally demonstrated such. Yet you're still writing him off as someone who isn't intelligent. Do you think he was an idiot for pressing Obama on his birth certificate? I certainly did at the time. Do you think he would have won the GOP primary if he didn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 Maybe he is s drunken Kung Fu master and every idiotic thing he's done has had some long term plan. Going all of the way back to dumb things he tweeted in 2011. Maybe he is just an idiot and resonated with a large portion of Americans that are also idiots. All while gaining the support of some non idiots that believed he was actually an 8D chess master. The more he's in the public spotlight as president, the more I'm leaning towards the latter. Feel free to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OldBrownsFan Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 Yes but if you only get your news from the mainstream media you aren't going to know about them as they focus almost exclusively on running negative stories on Trump. Close to 90 percent in one study I read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted June 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 Maybe he is s drunken Kung Fu master and every idiotic thing he's done has had some long term plan. Going all of the way back to dumb things he tweeted in 2011. Maybe he is just an idiot and resonated with a large portion of Americans that are also idiots. All while gaining the support of some non idiots that believed he was actually an 8D chess master. The more he's in the public spotlight as president, the more I'm leaning towards the latter. Feel free to disagree. Here's another question. Do you believe this hurts or helps him in the rust belt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 Oh it probably helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 I never thought I'd see anything "trump" Watergate which was basically just spying on the Democrats and the following cover ups which led to the embarrassment of a sleaze ball president (Tricky Dick) and the only impeachment in the United States history. This might come close, stay tuned, hey it's on all the stations.....unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 Sad too because he actually was righting some long term wrongs in our country it's just too bad too that we are now more further divided than at any time maybe since the Civil War. Plus this stuff is getting BORING on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 What was really so incredibly dumb of the Nixon campaign in 72 was that George McGovern had virtually no chance of winning anyway. Nixon had a cakewalk to be re-elected and the Watergate break in was just a stupid thing to do and those involved needed to go to prison for dumbness as much as anything. Nixon tried to cover for these dummies and that was his mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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