Tour2ma Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 On 10/18/2017 at 11:59 AM, jrb12711 said: You're just gonna have hard time convincing me of that man. Here's the play: https://www.sbnation.com/2017/10/15/16479082/browns-texans-kevin-hogan-pick-six. That "pressure" you speak of is nonexistent. No saying you felt that way, but still. Just an awful throw. Well... I did say pending review... Clearly his feet were clean in the overthrow pick... but there was a defender, arms-raised at the LOS in his sight line. The underthrow to Duke? There was pressure in the form of Tretter being escorted back into Hogan's lap, but Hogan did stride into it. The real question there was an LB running stride for stride with Duke. That's not supposed to happen. 22 hours ago, gumby73 said: What's not being reported is Hogan played thru a rib injury late in Houston game..see what injury report says when out..Time for maybe rookie CB Howard Wilson to come off the PUP list too? Hogan will be "Inactive". Wilson? Not seeing a reason to rush him back. I beleive there's still a couple weeks before we have to either activate or IR him... as is case with Teddy B in Minnysoter... 20 hours ago, D Bone said: I don't see that Hue had any other choice...... Let me get an early start to Sunday: T H R O W I T!!!!! You misspelled "RUN"... again... 18 hours ago, PoeticG said: Hogan would have been the starter this week but he has some bruised ribs. I guess he was tested today, took a shot while he was running with the football, got hit in the same spot and dropped the ball. Sore, but he should play regardless. I guess we're gonna get really clear that Kizer is "not the guy"... against a ho-hum Titans Defense that pales in comparison to the Texans D. So what happens when Kizer throws 2 or 3 picks and we lose the game? What is gonna happen when Kessler jumps to the ground again at the first signs of pressure? I'll tell ya, Hogan is not gonna have bruised ribs much longer. He'll be completely healed by the BYE WEEK. Two more week of you guys that have short memories and high hopes for Kizer are going to be sick of him again and Hogan will ride as starting QB the 2nd half of the season; possibly with Josh Gordon and Coleman as his #1 and #2. Then it will be on. My a$$... Yes... if it takes 10 more games... and it will. BOOK IT! You did not say, "Book It," so it will not come to pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 21 hours ago, PoeticG said: Hogan would have been the starter this week but he has some bruised ribs. I guess he was tested today, took a shot while he was running with the football, got hit in the same spot and dropped the ball. Sore, but he should play regardless. I guess we're gonna get really clear that Kizer is "not the guy"... against a ho-hum Titans Defense that pales in comparison to the Texans D. So what happens when Kizer throws 2 or 3 picks and we lose the game? What is gonna happen when Kessler jumps to the ground again at the first signs of pressure? I'll tell ya, Hogan is not gonna have bruised ribs much longer. He'll be completely healed by the BYE WEEK. Two more week of you guys that have short memories and high hopes for Kizer are going to be sick of him again and Hogan will ride as starting QB the 2nd half of the season; possibly with Josh Gordon and Coleman as his #1 and #2. Then it will be on. Keep on hoping PO, Hogan's performance against the Texans cured most of us pretty fast of our thinking he could squeeze out a win for us. EDIT: and if Deshone isn't "the guy", it means we really stunk bad this year. Suckin' for Sam, my man. 2 hours ago, Tour2ma said: My a$$... Yes... if it takes 10 more games... and it will. BOOK IT! You did not say, "Book It," so it will not come to pass. Only way Hogan sees the field again this year is if Kizer and Kessler both get hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 4 hours ago, Tour2ma said: The underthrow to Duke? There was pressure in the form of Tretter being escorted back into Hogan's lap, but Hogan did stride into it. The real question there was an LB running stride for stride with Duke. That's not supposed to happen. Wouldn't it be nice to have LB'ers like that? THAT'S the pass that needed to be overthrown a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 It's hard when you are being de-cleated as you are throwing the ball... just saying... with bruised ribs... and practice squad WRs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 2 hours ago, PoeticG said: It's hard when you are being de-cleated as you are throwing the ball... just saying... with bruised ribs... and practice squad WRs... Hopeless, maybe we should bring back Trent Richardson... I hear he's available...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 17 hours ago, PoeticG said: It's hard when you are being de-cleated as you are throwing the ball... just saying... with bruised ribs... and practice squad WRs... So Hogan is to fragile to get production out of the only WRs available... Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 3 hours ago, Tour2ma said: So Hogan is to fragile to get production out of the only WRs available... Got it. Hey maybe he had a migraine. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 Yes or No answers only... 1) Has Kizer started 5 games this year? 2) Has Kizer led us to a win in even one game? 3) Has Kizer EVER gotten us a lead in a game? Even for a minute? 4) Did Hogan play better in his limited time as a backup than Kizer did as a starter? 5) Did Hogan distribute the ball to over 7 different players in his first start? 6) Was the Defense that Hogan faced- a top 10 defense? 7) Did Hogan have a bad second quarter in the Texans game? 8) Did Hogan turn the ball over in the second half of that same game? 9) Does Hogan have more TD passes than Kizer? Riddle me this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 10.) Does Hogan have a chance to be the future of this franchise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Tour2ma said: 10.) Does Hogan have a chance to be the future of this franchise? Nyet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 7 hours ago, Tour2ma said: 10.) Does Hogan have a chance to be the future of this franchise? Not likely, about as much chance that Trent Richardson will ever play in the NFL again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 The Titan defense isn't good. But that doesn't change the fact we don't have WRs. That's basically everything right now. Even if Kizer could play better, who the heck is catching the rock? All teams do against us is play man coverage, which basically unheard. Teams generally mix in man, but they don't play it most of the game. But against us they can because we have nobody who can beat it. This means the defense can dictate whatever they want to do and it gives them better flexibility with blitzes. I say we trade for Andrew Luck. If he passes the physical and that shoulder gets evaluated, let's throw 2 first rounders at the Colts and see if they bite. I don't love the qb class this year, and I say going for a veteran is the way to go...even if Luck doesn't play a down all season. I want Kizer to be the guy for years to come. At one point I actually predicted he would be. But he gets worse every time I see him, and that's generally a terrible sign. If I could just point to A FEW THINGS he does well, or a FEW drives where he punched it in...but I just CAN'T. Yes it's been 5 games. Yes he's amazingly young. Yes he deserves more opportunities. But I'm not holding my breath. I'm pretty sure even Weeden had an occasional decent game by this point, even if he was 10 years older. I like Kizer. I think he's a good guy. I WANT him to be a good player, I just don't think he has the goods. Hope I'm wrong. Hope everyone on her gets to remind me how dumb I am. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 Agree that "catching" becomes more problematic with Kizer in the line-up. But I saw a lot of zone in the HOU game... other games as well. Not there on Luck, but give you props for being the first with that call... 14 hours ago, The Gipper said: Nyet So you're working out of that lil' , four-story building on Red Square? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Tour2ma said: Agree that "catching" becomes more problematic with Kizer in the line-up. But I saw a lot of zone in the HOU game... other games as well. Not there on Luck, but give you props for being the first with that call... So you're working out of that lil' , four-story building on Red Square? No.....but the word Nyet just seems so much more definitively negative and dismissive than just saying No......fair to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 On 10/21/2017 at 11:21 AM, The Gipper said: No.....but the word Nyet just seems so much more definitively negative and dismissive than just saying No......fair to say? Nein! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 OK.... couple weeks ago gumby IIRC made a call about overgripping the ball. I think this is turning out to be prophetic... The INT Kizer thru near end of the TN 1st half looked to my eye to slip out of his hand as he tried to crank it downfield. Call it adrenaline or nerves or whatever, but root cause appears to me to be getting over-amped in tight situations... maybe accentuated in compressed field in or near the red-zone. This can be reduced thru time and reps and playing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 No more black Tarkenton it's time to call him black Weeden. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 On 10/20/2017 at 5:05 PM, PoeticG said: 5) Did Hogan distribute the ball to over 7 different players in his first start?... Riddle me this... 9 players, if you include the THREE INTs he threw to Houston's D. Face it, Hue gave Hogan his shot and he dropped the ball like he's got no arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 It's not over yet. Hogan will be the starter next week vs. The Vikings in London. Hogan earned his chance, you don't lose that opportunity to an injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 9 minutes ago, PoeticG said: It's not over yet. Hogan will be the starter next week vs. The Vikings in London. Hogan earned his chance, you don't lose that opportunity to an injury. You are delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 Well, pressure either makes diamonds or simply pulverizes...... anyone got a vacuum handy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 3 hours ago, Tour2ma said: OK.... couple weeks ago gumby IIRC made a call about overgripping the ball. I think this is turning out to be prophetic... The INT Kizer thru near end of the TN 1st half looked to my eye to slip out of his hand as he tried to crank it downfield. Call it adrenaline or nerves or whatever, but root cause appears to me to be getting over-amped in tight situations... maybe accentuated in compressed field in or near the red-zone. This can be reduced thru time and reps and playing... Just repeat after me K-I-Z-E-R I-S D-O-N-E. As heard on the radio after the game- didn't anyone watch his games at Notre Dame? Um, I did. Screw technique. Two horrendous interceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 Kizer starts in London! Book it! Not sure they's waste the plane fare on Hogan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 7 hours ago, Tour2ma said: Kizer starts in London! Book it! Not sure they's waste the plane fare on Hogan... Dang you eternal optimist. I wouldn't waste plane fare on Hue though.... 30-0 loss against the Vikes, and he gets a one way plane ticket to North Korea\ Siberia\ Outer Mongolia your choice. Anyone who pre-bought a package should be able to demand a full refund NOW for lack of performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Well... when it's all you've got... The mission hasn't changed... just the tasks, the areas to address. The mission is still to determine if Kizer can be the guy... and the immediate tasks are field vision and touch, which more and more I feel have a common issue at their root... calm, or lack thereof, a/k/a tension. Best analogy I can think of is taking a golf swing adjustment from the range to the course. When the target is real vs. envisioned, when the swing counts towards a score vs. simply consumes one more striped range-ball... things change. And in my case when the game went from a casual or practice round to a tournament... things change. The change is in level of importance... in tension level. And tenson kills a golf swing. Overgrip a club and that hand tension travels up both sides of the forearms until suddenly the swing is tight and variation in the shot shoots off the charts. I see the same in Kizer's throwing... at least I think I do. He needs a Sports Psychiatrist and/or yoga instructor... a clear head and breathing control can work wonders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 18 hours ago, Westside Steve said: No more black Tarkenton it's time to call him black Weeden. WSS Or Black Anderson....though Anderson had some success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Let's call it for what it is with Kizer-the dude is raw as hell and is making the same mistakes week 7 that he was week 1. The mistakes are absolutely inexcusable throws that if they happen once or twice, you can live with. But almost halfway through the season, I just don't see any progress. The 2nd INT was something I would have gotten benched for as a JV high school QB. These are the same issues that plagued him at ND, and they are being exposed hard. I think the progress needs to come by sitting, watching, and being a back-up. I said all along that I thought Kessler at least deserved the pre-season and the first 5 weeks or so. I think Hue hates on the dude so much because he's not throwing 5000 yards down the field, but that's not his game. I think he can be successful though if we actually played to his strengths. I don't think we have a franchise dude on the roster, don't get wrong. But at the same time, based on Hue's decisions with QB play I'm not so sure his call on Kessler being so far down the charts was spot on either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 30 minutes ago, jrb12711 said: Let's call it for what it is with Kizer-the dude is raw as hell and is making the same mistakes week 7 that he was week 1. The mistakes are absolutely inexcusable throws that if they happen once or twice, you can live with. But almost halfway through the season, I just don't see any progress. The 2nd INT was something I would have gotten benched for as a JV high school QB. These are the same issues that plagued him at ND, and they are being exposed hard. I think the progress needs to come by sitting, watching, and being a back-up. Part of his failures, as far as I am concerned, can be placed at the feet of Jackson. Yes, Kizer is making the mistakes...but I question the instruction he is getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Kizer isn't getting any instruction on the sidelines. That's part of the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 17 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: Kizer isn't getting any instruction on the sidelines. That's part of the problem. Do the Browns not have a QB coach that works with him....aside from Hue? I thought they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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