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On 11/1/2017 at 12:08 AM, The User from Cleveland said:

Haven't we been rebuilding for like 10 years. Lol

No. We've been putting lipstick on a pig and calling it a rebuild.

22 hours ago, stillmotion said:

Except when Pettine found a way to win. And i'd still take beating the Sheet out of the steelers or patriots a couple of times a year over winning one game in two years and being the biggest joke in the NFL.

10 games in two years. What's that average out to? Thanks.

And your impatience and short-sightedness isn't my problem.

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9 hours ago, wargograw said:

No. We've been putting lipstick on a pig and calling it a rebuild.

10 games in two years. What's that average out to? Thanks.

 

10 times the number of games won the current regime has won.   What do I win?

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9 hours ago, stillmotion said:

Why do you believe, so hardly, that Sashi's process will probably work?

I could answer, but that’s not nearly as important as why I KNOW that blowing it up again will NOT work. And history supports my side so strongly that if this were a fight they would end it. 

4 hours ago, flyingfooldoug said:

Must be Stosh's alter ego. Could be the pudpuller posting too. 

You actually think these nicknames are clever don’t you? That’s sad, man. 

24 minutes ago, Mark O said:

10 times the number of games won the current regime has won.   What do I win?

Thanks for confirming my point. You enjoy winning 5 games/year and have no interest in winning Super Bowls. At least this regime is giving us confirmation that our fan base is content with our old results. 

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15 minutes ago, wargograw said:

Thanks for confirming my point. You enjoy winning 5 games/year and have no interest in winning Super Bowls. At least this regime is giving us confirmation that our fan base is content with our old results. 

So when we finish 0-16, making these guys 1-31, how much longer do we "stay the course"?    Collecting draft picks doesn't do much good if you don't pick good players with the picks.   I was in support of the plan through last season and through this past off season but I also expected to see a team that was better this year than last and I don't see it.   This team has had a chance to win 3 games out of 8 in the 2nd half (Pittsburgh, Titans, Vikings).  Every other game has been a blowout by halftime and the game was over.    I don't see any improvement from last years 1-15 team.  That's the issue that I have with this team and the current FO decision makers.    At this point right now, I would enjoy winning 5 games a year.  At the current pace it will take 5 seasons to win 5 games. 

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4 minutes ago, Mark O said:

So when we finish 0-16, making these guys 1-31, how much longer do we "stay the course"?    Collecting draft picks doesn't do much good if you don't pick good players with the picks.   I was in support of the plan through last season and through this past off season but I also expected to see a team that was better this year than last and I don't see it.   This team has had a chance to win 3 games out of 8 in the 2nd half (Pittsburgh, Titans, Vikings).  Every other game has been a blowout by halftime and the game was over.    I don't see any improvement from last years 1-15 team.  That's the issue that I have with this team and the current FO decision makers.    At this point right now, I would enjoy winning 5 games a year.  At the current pace it will take 5 seasons to win 5 games. 

Aww, you supported the plan for a WHOLE YEAR AND A HALF. Man, you just have a ton of courage. Pat yourself on the back forgoing against the grain there man. 

We stay the course through 2018 at a minimum. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

I know you’d be content with 5 wins/year. Thanks for confirming yet again. 

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Just now, wargograw said:

Aww, you supported the plan for a WHOLE YEAR AND A HALF. Man, you just have a ton of courage. Pat yourself on the back forgoing against the grain there man. 

We stay the course through 2018 at a minimum. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

I know you’d be content with 5 wins/year. Thanks for confirming yet again. 

Ok.. Mr. Sarcastic....  What have you seen from this years team that is any better than last years team?  What are we building besides more losses?   How is the team any better than last year?   One lucky win in a season and a half isn't good.  It's just not.   The 1999 expansion team filled with other teams rejects managed to win 2 games.    This team is actually worse than that which is nearly impossible in the NFL.  This isn't baseball, it doesn't take 5 years to rebuild.  The same people who didn't think Carson Wentz was any good and chose to pass on Deshaun Watson (AFC and NFC players of the month for October by the way) are the nerds you're relying on to make the right choices this year?  Why now are they finally going to make the right choices?  They haven't made good choices to this point but suddenly the third time is the charm?    I don't trust these guys to be able to make the right choices because they haven't made the right ones to this point.

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2 minutes ago, Mark O said:

Ok.. Mr. Sarcastic....  What have you seen from this years team that is any better than last years team?  What are we building besides more losses?   How is the team any better than last year?   One lucky win in a season and a half isn't good.  It's just not.   The 1999 expansion team filled with other teams rejects managed to win 2 games.    This team is actually worse than that which is nearly impossible in the NFL.  This isn't baseball, it doesn't take 5 years to rebuild.  The same people who didn't think Carson Wentz was any good and chose to pass on Deshaun Watson (AFC and NFC players of the month for October by the way) are the nerds you're relying on to make the right choices this year?  Why now are they finally going to make the right choices?  They haven't made good choices to this point but suddenly the third time is the charm?    I don't trust these guys to be able to make the right choices because they haven't made the right ones to this point.

Sarcasm is the only way to reach people blinded by their anger. And I do get annoyed when people try to act like they’re great friends for supporting the regime for a year  anyone can do that. It takes stones to actually see the course of the rebuild. I’ve said it a thousand times, some of you really need to just stop watching games for a year or two while this thing gets built. All you guys do by watching is get mad and then hurt the franchise with the demands of your anger. That doesn’t help anything whatsoever.

 

 

Answering your questions:

Defense and OL. Why do you keep asking a question that we’ve given you the answer to dozens of times already?

A good team. 

This wasn’t a question, but it does take awhile to rebuild in the nfl, especially when you scrapped all your vets. 

Yes, relying on the same nerds. 

Theyve been making good choices already. No one bats 1000.

They have been making good choices. You’re wrong. 

Anything else?

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Just now, wargograw said:

Theyve been making good choices already. No one bats 1000.

They have been making good choices. You’re wrong. 

Anything else?

What good choices have they made?   Some choose to look objectively as opposed to just blindly following the team.  I've been a Browns fan for 40+ years so piss off if you don't like that I'm not going to be satisfied with a team that is 1-23 for the last season and a half.    I don't expect them to bat 1000.  I'd be happy if they were batting .250.    How do our 3 first round picks look?  They're all difference makers right?  Garrett looks great but can't stay on the field.  Njoku is a non factor and we used a first round pick on Peppers who to this point is basically a kick and punt returner great way to spend a 1st round pick.   I'd rather have a return specialist and a project TE than say...I don't know...how about a fucking QB??   These guys who thought it has been a good idea to pass on stars are the guys you're relying on to rebuild a 1-23 team.   Good luck with that.   This team sucks and its not any better now than it was before last season.  They aren't building anything but more losses.  

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Just now, Mark O said:

What good choices have they made?   Some choose to look objectively as opposed to just blindly following the team.  I've been a Browns fan for 40+ years so piss off if you don't like that I'm not going to be satisfied with a team that is 1-23 for the last season and a half.    I don't expect them to bat 1000.  I'd be happy if they were batting .250.    How do our 3 first round picks look?  They're all difference makers right?  Garrett looks great but can't stay on the field.  Njoku is a non factor and we used a first round pick on Peppers who to this point is basically a kick and punt returner great way to spend a 1st round pick.   I'd rather have a return specialist and a project TE than say...I don't know...how about a Shmucking QB??   These guys who thought it has been a good idea to pass on stars are the guys you're relying on to rebuild a 1-23 team.   Good luck with that.   This team sucks and its not any better now than it was before last season.  They aren't building anything but more losses.  

Almost all of our draft picks are starters and will have a future with the team. That’s to say nothing of the success in FA and getting picks in trades for the bums on our team. 

Garrett is good and so is Njoku. 2/3 on first rounders is pretty solid, especially by Browns standards. So clearly you do expect them to bat 1000. 

Aww, we’re all supposed to feel bad for you and let you blow everything up because you’ve been a fan for a long time?  Want a cookie? Get over it and get some control of your emotions. 

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1 minute ago, wargograw said:

Almost all of our draft picks are starters and will have a future with the team. That’s to say nothing of the success in FA and getting picks in trades for the bums on our team. 

Garrett is good and so is Njoku. 2/3 on first rounders is pretty solid, especially by Browns standards. So clearly you do expect them to bat 1000. 

 

Njoku is good?  He's got 18 catches in 8 games.   I'll let you do the math on your first round pick that is catching 2 passes a game.   Holy hell....what would we do without those 2 catches a game.

Keep following blindly and not seeing that you're trusting the guys who passed on a legit NFL FRANCHISE QB at the 12th pick in the draft (so they could pick a TE and his 2 catches per game and a return specialist) are the guys making the decisions. And that's just one example of them being stupid and blind to picking players with talent.  They have shown that they don't make good decisions. 

No I dont' want a cookie and no one should feel sorry for me but what I want is to see some wins and see a team that is improving.  The only thing that matters is wins.  1-23 is the only stat and the only measurable that makes a shit of difference. 

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13 minutes ago, flyingfooldoug said:

Hey! I want to start the official Corey (I miss Braylon) Coleman fan club. 

..... I'd give you a hand, but am afraid I would just break it. 

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On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 at 11:51 PM, LondonBrown said:

 

Fair enough I think I’ll take a break from the board for a bit, most are you are posting like children at the moment.

If it’s not sarcasm it’s stamp your feet whining and outright refusal to see anything other than a disaster.

you are a Shmucking moron

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I just watched a sound bite from Jameis Winston's press conference and he went on and on about how "the numbers don't matter" < when asked about some of his positive stats> and how "It's all about wins.... you gotta win baby, that's it."

Guess he wouldn't like The Process any more than most of us do.....

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8 minutes ago, D Bone said:

I just watched a sound bite from Jameis Winston's press conference and he went on and on about how "the numbers don't matter" < when asked about some of his positive stats> and how "It's all about wins.... you gotta win baby, that's it."

Guess he wouldn't like The Process any more than most of us do.....

What about Herm Edwards speech about winning? 

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5 minutes ago, flyingfooldoug said:

What about Herm Edwards speech about winning? 

Clearly Herm and Jameis just don't get it...... nor do I .

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3 hours ago, wargograw said:

Aww, we’re all supposed to feel bad for you and let you blow everything up because you’ve been a fan for a long time?  Want a cookie? Get over it and get some control of your emotions. 

It seems that everyone not liking the failing process has caused you to develop a terrible yeast infection.

Not everyone bends over and enjoys the flogging like you do. Wins are the metric of success in team sports. No one was expecting more than about 3 wins. At this pace, the Browns might get that in 3-4 years.

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1 minute ago, LogicIsForSquares said:

Not everyone bends over and enjoys the flogging like you do. Wins are the metric of success in team sports. No one was expecting more than about 3 wins. At this pace, the Browns might get that in 3-4 years.

Exactly....I wasn't expecting the team to be a playoff team this year but I would like to see improvement in the only stat that matters.  The ones under the W in the standings and so far, this team is no better than last years team.

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4 hours ago, Mark O said:

Njoku is good?  He's got 18 catches in 8 games.   I'll let you do the math on your first round pick that is catching 2 passes a game.   Holy hell....what would we do without those 2 catches a game.

Keep following blindly and not seeing that you're trusting the guys who passed on a legit NFL FRANCHISE QB at the 12th pick in the draft (so they could pick a TE and his 2 catches per game and a return specialist) are the guys making the decisions. And that's just one example of them being stupid and blind to picking players with talent.  They have shown that they don't make good decisions. 

No I dont' want a cookie and no one should feel sorry for me but what I want is to see some wins and see a team that is improving.  The only thing that matters is wins.  1-23 is the only stat and the only measurable that makes a Sheet of difference. 

Yes, Njoku is good. 

44 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said:

It seems that everyone not liking the failing process has caused you to develop a terrible yeast infection.

Not everyone bends over and enjoys the flogging like you do. Wins are the metric of success in team sports. No one was expecting more than about 3 wins. At this pace, the Browns might get that in 3-4 years.

Bla bla bla. You might actually have a point if your method hadn’t been tried and failed over and over and over and over again by the Browns. Apparently you’re the one that loves to bend over and take the flogging if that’s the route you want to continue down. 

42 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said:

It looks like the Haslems may be getting tired of failure as well. I guess they should take their emotions and continue to throw money down a well.

Are you really citing frustration by the Haslam’s (which is fueled in no small part by our idiot fans constantly telling him how much we suck and should scrap everything) as some kind of metric of football knowledge? Give me a break. 

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Just now, Mark O said:

2 catches per game.....he should start preparing his hall of fame speech. 

You’re the one that can’t stop crying like a woman about out QBs. Guess you don’t think that has anything to do with it. 

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1 minute ago, wargograw said:

You’re the one that can’t stop crying like a woman about out QBs. Guess you don’t think that has anything to do with it. 

I'm not the one jerking off a project TE who is making 2 catches a game.  

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1 minute ago, Mark O said:

I'm not the one jerking off a project TE who is making 2 catches a game.  

You can’t win this debate. Just give up. I’m lead by facts and logic and you’re led by emotion (like a woman). Just give it up. You’ll never be able to defend it. 

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2 minutes ago, wargograw said:

You can’t win this debate. Just give up. I’m lead by facts and logic and you’re led by emotion (like a woman). Just give it up. You’ll never be able to defend it. 

you're led by facts?   I've given you the facts.. He's averaging 2 catches a game.     Here's another fact for you.  The team hasn't won a game.  But hey...lets keep trying the same thing over and over again.  

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Just now, Mark O said:

you're led by facts?   I've given you the facts.. He's averaging 2 catches a game.     Here's another fact for you.  The team hasn't won a game.  But hey...lets keep trying the same thing over and over again.  

You would blow a gasket trying to come up with a third though. And that’s why it’s worthless talking about this with you. 

 

OJ Howard has 13 catches. Evan Engram has 30. And they both have quarterbacks. Njoku is fine for a rookie. But when your fans have no patience whatsoever and want to dump you overboard if you’re not Rob Gronkowski in year one, there’s not much you can do. 

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1 minute ago, wargograw said:

You would blow a gasket trying to come up with a third though. And that’s why it’s worthless talking about this with you. 

 

OJ Howard has 13 catches. Evan Engram has 30. And they both have quarterbacks. Njoku is fine for a rookie. But when your fans have no patience whatsoever and want to dump you overboard if you’re not Rob Gronkowski in year one, there’s not much you can do. 

1 and fucking 23.    Keep everything the same though.   We shouldn't need any new players though either in your world.  They all just need more time just like our front office needs 3 years to get it right. 

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