Tacosman Posted October 29, 2017 Report Posted October 29, 2017 in qbr. Both playing well, but is top 3 really that good? Still wouldn't trade Corey Coleman or Peppers for either. No doubt the eagles or texans will call soon trying to pry Coleman from us(especially when that hand is healthy!!) in exchange for their qbs, but Coleman has been such a gamebreaker that I would never give him up for Wentz even. Carson wentz doesnt even have the potential to be a top 20 qb in this league our front office has assured us, whereas Corey Coleman is revolutionizing the game and defenses in our conference are being overhauled to deal with him. Remember when Lawrence Taylor came into the nfl and changed the way offensive coordinators had to gameplan? Coleman is going to force dc'S to do the same thing. Fortunately the only secondary guy who can really match up with Coleman the game changer plays for us....Peppers!! So it's only natural that if teams cant pry Corey from us, they'll try to get peppers so they can at least hope to stop Corey over top! Teams see Peppers playing so well 40 yards behind the LOS, and they know thats what it is going to take to contain CC!! Sashi and Depo arent fools...they hit the jackpot with these two and they arent about to give either up for a 6'4 rocket armed qb making great strides for the team with team with the league's best record. Philly is going to pay for that trade for a long time.
MLD Woody Posted October 29, 2017 Report Posted October 29, 2017 With the same supporting casts as here, I'm sure.
Tacosman Posted October 30, 2017 Author Report Posted October 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: With the same supporting casts as here, I'm sure. you are right- we need to avoid acquiring good players because they are all going to suck here because they don't have as good of players around them.....that solves that problem.
gumby73 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Posted October 30, 2017 Seattle's Russell What?son just cost me 4K in a pick'em work pool..#justchuckthatchitup,,far to soon
MLD Woody Posted October 30, 2017 Report Posted October 30, 2017 18 minutes ago, Tacosman said: you are right- we need to avoid acquiring good players because they are all going to suck here because they don't have as good of players around them.....that solves that problem. Or, we stop going "look at what this QB is doing!!!" as if he'd be doing the same thing here. Maybe we recognize our roster had a lot of holes and that we're better off attempting to fill those before throwing some super high pick rookie QB in there to get killed
SD_Tom Posted October 30, 2017 Report Posted October 30, 2017 Let's never draft any top qb, wr or rb then. That's a great plan since they're gonna suck here anyways. Everyone knows you turn things around and change the locker room culture by sticking with 3rd string qbs in the draft.
Tacosman Posted October 30, 2017 Author Report Posted October 30, 2017 1 minute ago, MLD Woody said: Or, we stop going "look at what this QB is doing!!!" as if he'd be doing the same thing here. Maybe we recognize our roster had a lot of holes and that we're better off attempting to fill those before throwing some super high pick rookie QB in there to get killed who is doing that? I'm not. I'm not saying "carson wentz would definately have 19 tds now and be a top rated qb if he were here on this browns team". You are imaging things if you believe that. What I am saying is that Wentz is playing well. very well. And playing well is playing well. Would his numbers and win total be exactly the same here as there? Of course not...thats true for any situation. But we need players who play well....period. And you're in this "oh he wouldnt do that here because...." mindset. Also, have you actually looked at the eagles and texans offensive side of the ball? The texans for one would LOVE to have our offensive line. Compare those two units.....And the eagles have a potpourri of pass catchers/recievers....wentx throws to a million different unheralded targets for the most part. You are seriously overestimating the offensive talent on those teams, and like I said the texans and watson would love to trade offensive lines. you act like these players were plugged into ideal offensive situations. They werent. At all. In the case of the texans, the exact opposite in fact wrt offensive line
SD_Tom Posted October 30, 2017 Report Posted October 30, 2017 13 minutes ago, Tacosman said: who is doing that? I'm not. I'm not saying "carson wentz would definately have 19 tds now and be a top rated qb if he were here on this browns team". You are imaging things if you believe that. What I am saying is that Wentz is playing well. very well. And playing well is playing well. Would his numbers and win total be exactly the same here as there? Of course not...thats true for any situation. But we need players who play well....period. And you're in this "oh he wouldnt do that here because...." mindset. Also, have you actually looked at the eagles and texans offensive side of the ball? The texans for one would LOVE to have our offensive line. Compare those two units.....And the eagles have a potpourri of pass catchers/recievers....wentx throws to a million different unheralded targets for the most part. You are seriously overestimating the offensive talent on those teams, and like I said the texans and watson would love to trade offensive lines. you act like these players were plugged into ideal offensive situations. They werent. At all. In the case of the texans, the exact opposite in fact wrt offensive line Exactly. Watson = most nfl ready rookie qb. Kizer = least ready to start. So who do we pick and start? Bingo. This has been covered by the all the draft videos. Game tape, intangibles, leadership, stats, etc. All in favor of watson over Kizer except arm strength on a team that desperately needs all those qualities. In a nutshell, that's a big part of why they're a train wreck.
wargograw Posted October 30, 2017 Report Posted October 30, 2017 20 minutes ago, SD_Tom said: Let's never draft any top qb, wr or rb then. That's a great plan since they're gonna suck here anyways. Everyone knows you turn things around and change the locker room culture by sticking with 3rd string qbs in the draft. Argument is probably not your thing. 16 minutes ago, Tacosman said: who is doing that? I'm not. I'm not saying "carson wentz would definately have 19 tds now and be a top rated qb if he were here on this browns team". You are imaging things if you believe that. What I am saying is that Wentz is playing well. very well. And playing well is playing well. Would his numbers and win total be exactly the same here as there? Of course not...thats true for any situation. But we need players who play well....period. And you're in this "oh he wouldnt do that here because...." mindset. Also, have you actually looked at the eagles and texans offensive side of the ball? The texans for one would LOVE to have our offensive line. Compare those two units.....And the eagles have a potpourri of pass catchers/recievers....wentx throws to a million different unheralded targets for the most part. You are seriously overestimating the offensive talent on those teams, and like I said the texans and watson would love to trade offensive lines. you act like these players were plugged into ideal offensive situations. They werent. At all. In the case of the texans, the exact opposite in fact wrt offensive line We'd have run Wentz outta town on a rail by now. Watson would be following him shortly.
Tacosman Posted October 30, 2017 Author Report Posted October 30, 2017 17 minutes ago, wargograw said: We'd have run Wentz outta town on a rail by now. Watson would be following him shortly. there is absolutely no evidence to support any of this ridiculous speculation.
SD_Tom Posted October 30, 2017 Report Posted October 30, 2017 I fail to see how anyone can argue otherwise. Name one starting qb on "the jersey" who went on to be good on another team. It's not like they've had solid talent and failed to develop it. Stop lying to yourselves
MLD Woody Posted October 30, 2017 Report Posted October 30, 2017 You build a team for the QB first, then get the QB.
Tacosman Posted October 30, 2017 Author Report Posted October 30, 2017 1 minute ago, MLD Woody said: You build a team for the QB first, then get the QB. this kind of thinking doesnt make any sense, and it DOESNT EVEN APPLY HERE because we are going to take a qb with this next high pick and we sure as hell havent built anything for the qb yet. We're going to take Darnold or some other qb with our first pick in 5 months or whatever and thats fine....but we havent put anything around him.
Canton Dawg Posted October 30, 2017 Report Posted October 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: You build a team for the QB first, then get the QB. So the FO was “just kidding” when they drafted Kessler & Kizer?
hoorta Posted October 30, 2017 Report Posted October 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Tacosman said: in qbr. Both playing well, but is top 3 really that good? Still wouldn't trade Corey Coleman or Peppers for either. No doubt the eagles or texans will call soon trying to pry Coleman from us(especially when that hand is healthy!!) in exchange for their qbs, but Coleman has been such a gamebreaker that I would never give him up for Wentz even. Carson wentz doesnt even have the potential to be a top 20 qb in this league our front office has assured us, whereas Corey Coleman is revolutionizing the game and defenses in our conference are being overhauled to deal with him. Remember when Lawrence Taylor came into the nfl and changed the way offensive coordinators had to gameplan? Coleman is going to force dc'S to do the same thing. Fortunately the only secondary guy who can really match up with Coleman the game changer plays for us....Peppers!! So it's only natural that if teams cant pry Corey from us, they'll try to get peppers so they can at least hope to stop Corey over top! Teams see Peppers playing so well 40 yards behind the LOS, and they know thats what it is going to take to contain CC!! Sashi and Depo arent fools...they hit the jackpot with these two and they arent about to give either up for a 6'4 rocket armed qb making great strides for the team with team with the league's best record. Philly is going to pay for that trade for a long time. I had to edit it to put the obligatory sarcasm in PINK. Suckin' for Sam...
RoyceRolls Posted October 30, 2017 Report Posted October 30, 2017 1 hour ago, SD_Tom said: Exactly. Watson = most nfl ready rookie qb. Kizer = least ready to start. So who do we pick and start? Bingo. This has been covered by the all the draft videos. Game tape, intangibles, leadership, stats, etc. All in favor of watson over Kizer except arm strength on a team that desperately needs all those qualities. In a nutshell, that's a big part of why they're a train wreck. I still can’t believe the Browns didn’t draft RG3 either!!! Those bums had him in their reach and they let the stinkin’ redskins outbid them. when will the Browns learn their lesson and use multiple first round picks on an undersized running quarterback with an over/under of 2.5 years as an NFL player.
SD_Tom Posted October 30, 2017 Report Posted October 30, 2017 1. Neither Wentz nor Watson is undersized. Neither one is a run first qb. Apples to oranges comparison. Both were national champions too. 2. RGIII was awesome his rookie yr. If we had any qb that could win offensive roty, and we made the playoffs, we'd be so happy we wouldn't even know what to do. 3. RGIII was still better his 1st year than any qb we've had in ages. Maybe in a different scheme he wouldn't have been injured. They still haven't used a #1 pick on a qb since Tim couch. It's always end of 1st round or later. Yeah instead of rg3, they got Richardson and weeden. Two awesome picks again.
flyingfooldoug Posted October 30, 2017 Report Posted October 30, 2017 6 hours ago, wargograw said: Argument is probably not your thing. We'd have run Wentz outta town on a rail by now. Watson would be following him shortly. And yet Stosh, the Pud and hue are all here yet? You make no sense
MLD Woody Posted October 30, 2017 Report Posted October 30, 2017 7 hours ago, Canton Dawg said: So the FO was “just kidding” when they drafted Kessler & Kizer? Relatively low risk / high reward picks. QB is the most important position, so it's worth taking a shot on later if no other prospect is jumping out.
MLD Woody Posted October 30, 2017 Report Posted October 30, 2017 7 hours ago, Tacosman said: this kind of thinking doesnt make any sense, and it DOESNT EVEN APPLY HERE because we are going to take a qb with this next high pick and we sure as hell havent built anything for the qb yet. We're going to take Darnold or some other qb with our first pick in 5 months or whatever and thats fine....but we havent put anything around him. ... It "doesn't apply here" because you know what the browns are going to do in 6 months? Oh, then we better not waste our time with any threads about the draft.
flyingfooldoug Posted October 30, 2017 Report Posted October 30, 2017 We got a Kevin for QB. We got a Kizer for QB We got a Kessler for QB Add em up... KKK?..... C'mon Huey
ChicopeeJohn Posted October 30, 2017 Report Posted October 30, 2017 12 hours ago, Tacosman said: Still wouldn't trade Corey Coleman or Peppers for either.
jiggins7919 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Posted October 30, 2017 I have no doubt that either QB wouldn't be doing AS GOOD with us, but I also have no doubt that they'd make our team INFINITELY better and we'd be able to construct a team around them. There's obviously no way to know this, but it's just how I feel.
flyingfooldoug Posted October 30, 2017 Report Posted October 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, jiggins7919 said: I have no doubt that either QB wouldn't be doing AS GOOD with us, but I also have no doubt that they'd make our team INFINITELY better and we'd be able to construct a team around them. There's obviously no way to know this, but it's just how I feel. Right, absolutely! You take a top rated QB and build a team around him. Anything else is anal
TexasAg1969 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Posted October 30, 2017 53 minutes ago, flyingfooldoug said: Right, absolutely! You take a top rated QB and build a team around him. Anything else is anal At this point we are right there waiting for a QB, a real WR and a FS away from being competitive every week. It's not really that far. And I think Darnold can be convinced to come out early. He has the most upside of anyone I have seen this year. If he had been in this week instead of Kizer, we would have won that game. Give him some real targets and we're in business.
SD_Tom Posted October 30, 2017 Report Posted October 30, 2017 11 hours ago, MLD Woody said: You build a team for the QB first, then get the QB. Seems like they've been trying this for 20 years. It's not working, it's never going to work. You can't build a team without a good qb
flyingfooldoug Posted October 30, 2017 Report Posted October 30, 2017 17 minutes ago, SD_Tom said: Seems like they've been trying this for 20 years. It's not working, it's never going to work. You can't build a team without a good qb Can't do squat without a decent QB. The owner is insane. Same thing over and over expecting different results. He need a therapist
SD_Tom Posted October 30, 2017 Report Posted October 30, 2017 4 hours ago, MLD Woody said: RG3 isn't a "run first" QB... I didn't say he was, but his slender frame was a concern for lots of people in the draft. I think people had similar concerns about Goff. We'll see how it plays out. Interesting that the can't miss pick from that draft (Andrew Luck) also can't stay on the field. He's been battered cuz they have no OL.
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