The 'who have you watched lately?' thread.

[SD_Tom]

55 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

Saw more from Rosen in one play alone than I've seen from Mayfield in 2 & 1/2 games.

 

@2:44.     Honestly, just watch.   You have to appreciate all you just saw on this play.  Downfield vision,  poise, pocket presence and awareness then finally, identifying and delivering.  

 

  

The A&M comeback was incredible. 

[SD_Tom]

On 11/19/2017 at 9:22 AM, Mark O said:

I like Rashaad Penny from SDSU.    Quite a night he had last night, granted against Nevada who stinks and it's the Mountain West which also stinks for the most part but he's had solid games against ASU and Stanford this season.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/sd-sp-aztecs-rashaad-penny-sets-record-with-429-yards-in-offense-20171118-story.html

 

 

I like Penny too. Bryce Love has been amazing in every game I've seen this year (which was like 2 games, but still) he was averaging over 10 YPC more than halfway thru the season. 

[tiamat63]

29 minutes ago, SD_Tom said:

The A&M comeback was incredible. 

The A&M comeback made me not like Rosen. Not once but twice he made bad decisions on passes that should have been easily picked off.   When you coupled that with the hype he had coming into the season I was turned off on what I saw.   

 

Though I admit it was a limited sample size.  When I tuned in to see the USC game it was like watching a different QB.  Loved what I saw and still do.   The ability both Rosen and Benkert have shown is, to date, far more complete than Mayfield, Rudolph, Darnold and Jackson.   

So much that it's not even really close. 

 

 

edit:  @Tour.    Looks like we're agreeing on not just one but two QB's.    In the same draft no less.  Screen shot the Sheet out of this and make it the background on your phone.  Might never happen again. 

[The Gipper]

 

RKPLAYERPOSPOS RKSCHOOLCLASSHTWT

1Mason RudolphQB2Oklahoma StateSr6-5230

18Josh RosenQB3UCLAJr6-4220

28Lamar JacksonQB5LouisvilleJr6-3200

40Sam DarnoldQB1Southern CaliforniaSoph6-4225

46Ryan FinleyQB0NC StateJr6-4205

65Baker MayfieldQB8OklahomaSr6-1218

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[The Gipper]

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RK	PLAYER	POS	POS RK	SCHOOL	CLASS	HT	WT
1	Mason Rudolph	QB	2	Oklahoma State	Sr	6-5	230
2	Minkah Fitzpatrick	FS	1	Alabama	Jr	6-1	201
3	Saquon Barkley	RB	2	Penn State	Jr	5-11	223
4	Quenton Nelson	OG	1	Notre Dame	Sr	6-5	329
5	Derwin James	SS	1	Florida State	Soph	6-3	211
6	James Washington	WR	2	Oklahoma State	Sr	6-0	205
7	Bradley Chubb	DE	3	NC State	Sr	6-4	275
8	Orlando Brown	OT	5	Oklahoma	Jr	6-8	360
9	Ogbonnia Okoronkwo	DE	0	Oklahoma	Sr	6-1	242
10	Mike McGlinchey	OT	1	Notre Dame	Sr	6-8	312
11	Courtland Sutton	WR	0	Southern Methodist	Soph	6-4	215
12	Bryce Love	RB	0	Stanford	Jr	5-10	191
13	Kendall Joseph	ILB	3	Clemson	Jr	6-0	230
14	Derrius Guice	RB	1	LSU	Jr	5-11	212
15	Clelin Ferrell	DE	8	Clemson	Soph	6-5	265
16	Roquan Smith	ILB	0	Georgia	Jr	6-1	225
17	Deontay Burnett	WR	0	Southern California	Jr	6-0	170
18	Josh Rosen	QB	3	UCLA	Jr	6-4	220
19	Chukwuma Okorafor	OT	0	Western Michigan	Sr	6-6	330

[hoorta]

Gip, I hope you noticed that ranking is so skewed, it's ridiculous. They have a bunch of guys rated lower at their position ranked higher. I could probably come up with something that makes more sense.

[The Gipper]

4 minutes ago, hoorta said:

Gip, I hope you noticed that ranking is so skewed, it's ridiculous. They have a bunch of guys rated lower at their position ranked higher. I could probably come up with something that makes more sense.

Why is the ranking skewed?   Simply because you disagree with it?   CBS is pretty well respected.   And from what I have seen so far this year....which is some.....Rudolph HAS been the best looking QB of all that I have seen.

But I am not jumping on his bandwagon or into his camp....but the fact remains.....this guy WILL be a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be.

[tiamat63]

Re: Drafting Rudolph, Mayfield, Jackson or Darnold at #1.  

 

Just so I can keep laughing and this franchise can fold eventually.

[Mark O]

9 hours ago, SD_Tom said:

I like Penny too. Bryce Love has been amazing in every game I've seen this year (which was like 2 games, but still) he was averaging over 10 YPC more than halfway thru the season. 

I've only seen Love play a couple times and he's good too. 

[hoorta]

20 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Why is the ranking skewed?   Simply because you disagree with it?   CBS is pretty well respected.   And from what I have seen so far this year....which is some.....Rudolph HAS been the best looking QB of all that I have seen.

But I am not jumping on his bandwagon or into his camp....but the fact remains.....this guy WILL be a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be.

It's not the only ranking out there Gip. Still way early, but Rosen is better than #18. Walter Football which runs a pretty good mock BTW, has him going #3 to the Giants. 

[The Gipper]

26 minutes ago, hoorta said:

It's not the only ranking out there Gip. Still way early, but Rosen is better than #18. Walter Football which runs a pretty good mock BTW, has him going #3 to the Giants. 

We can be one day before the draft and these services can have wide variations.  Last year there were still some just before the draft that were saying that Trubisky should be a second rounder....and we know what happened. 

Are you telling me that you want until The Voice of God on these matters...Mel Kiper...gives his opinion? 

Maybe CBS took a lot of the negative said about Rosen into account in their rating (that he is the real live personification of Bo Callahan?  That his teammates wouldn't attend his birthday party?)

[Tour2ma]

11 hours ago, tiamat63 said:

The A&M comeback made me not like Rosen. Not once but twice he made bad decisions on passes that should have been easily picked off.   When you coupled that with the hype he had coming into the season I was turned off on what I saw.  

Though I admit it was a limited sample size.  When I tuned in to see the USC game it was like watching a different QB.  Loved what I saw and still do.   The ability both Rosen and Benkert have shown is, to date, far more complete than Mayfield, Rudolph, Darnold and Jackson.   

So much that it's not even really close.

edit:  @Tour.    Looks like we're agreeing on not just one but two QB's.    In the same draft no less.  Screen shot the Sheet out of this and make it the background on your phone.  Might never happen again. 

lol... was just verifying the same via PM... could be the first sign of the end-times...

Same take on Rosen's A&M game... think I wrote up as much at the time, that he got away with a couple. The difference was then that they were down... far down... and the clock was ticking. He made throws he had to try, ones he has now shown me he has the sense to not try under better circumstances.

And that's a pro-level trait.

And just look at his freakin' eyes... kid looks impervious to pressure.

[Tour2ma]

2 hours ago, Mark O said:

I've only seen Love play a couple times and he's good too. 

Fear he puts in me is that he plays way bigger than his size... just not sure he'll take NFL pounding for 16 of 17 weeks a year.

[Tour2ma]

3 hours ago, hoorta said:

Gip, I hope you noticed that ranking is so skewed, it's ridiculous. They have a bunch of guys rated lower at their position ranked higher. I could probably come up with something that makes more sense.

2 hours ago, The Gipper said:

Why is the ranking skewed?   Simply because you disagree with it?   CBS is pretty well respected.   And from what I have seen so far this year....which is some.....Rudolph HAS been the best looking QB of all that I have seen.

But I am not jumping on his bandwagon or into his camp....but the fact remains.....this guy WILL be a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be.

What h has pointed out that you are running into, Gip, is that CBS' rankings, which we know you love, are powered by DraftScout, which we know I love.

The problem that CBS has, is that DraftScout has not and will not merge their 2019 (or 2020) underclass ranking into their 2018 Senior class ranking until players begin declaring. So CBS is "winging it" at present.

Here is link to DS's 2018 QB Class with Rudolph (R-2/3) a falling to 2nd behind Mayfield (R2). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2018&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC

And here is the link to DS's 2019 class with Rosen (R1) in the Top Spot above a falling Allen (R1), Jackson (R1) and, surprisingly, my former darkhorse nominee, Nick Fitzgerald (R-1/2). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2019&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC

 

If you want to believe Rudolph comes out on top when DS merges, be my guest... but please... let me know if you'd "like to make it interesting."

 

[Clevfan4life]

13 hours ago, tiamat63 said:

Saw more from Rosen in one play alone than I've seen from Mayfield in 2 & 1/2 games.

 

@2:44.     Honestly, just watch.   You have to appreciate all you just saw on this play.  Downfield vision,  poise, pocket presence and awareness then finally, identifying and delivering.  

 

  

3:09 for me was eye opening. I rewound that play a couple times when i watched the game cause i was like "how?". Edge guy was closing on him and rosen froze him with a little hitch/pump that gave his rec an extra fraction of a sec to get free. This kid is seriously talented. 

I have no hedges with him but i would like to see him out on a few more lbs just to increase his chances of survival in clev. He will take shots here

[The Gipper]

32 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

What h has pointed out that you are running into, Gip, is that CBS' rankings, which we know you love, are powered by DraftScout, which we know I love.

The problem that CBS has, is that DraftScout has not and will not merge their 2019 (or 2020) underclass ranking into their 2018 Senior class ranking until players begin declaring. So CBS is "winging it" at present.

Here is link to DS's 2018 QB Class with Rudolph (R-2/3) a falling to 2nd behind Mayfield (R2). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2018&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC

And here is the link to DS's 2019 class with Rosen (R1) in the Top Spot above a falling Allen (R1), Jackson (R1) and, surprisingly, my former darkhorse nominee, Nick Fitzgerald (R-1/2). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2019&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC

 

If you want to believe Rudolph comes out on top when DS merges, be my guest... but please... let me know if you'd "like to make it interesting."

 

I don't think that there is any "Problem" really.  All I am saying is that right here, right now, they have Rudolph on top.  And yes, just like everyone else, these rankings will be revived when we know all who are going to declare...and when there is more intensive scouting of them.

Point simply being....Rudolph will be a factor in the issue of which QB goes #1....just like Trubisky was last year.

Beyond that, I don't see where they have left any of the usual suspects off of their rankings because they are at this point undeclared underclassmen. Maybe Darnold perhaps....but Rudolph is in there...as is Rosen...and just about everyone else.  So, at this point it seems that they have all been evaluated equally....and that in their minds at least Rudolph has come out on top so far.

[hoorta]

1 hour ago, Tour2ma said:

 

And just look at his freakin' eyes... kid looks impervious to pressure.

LOL, seeing that picture notice any similarity?   

[Tour2ma]

37 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said:

I have no hedges with him but i would like to see him out on a few more lbs just to increase his chances of survival in clev. He will take shots here

If you saw the Miami game then you saw him take a helluva shot there... and bounce right back up after the completed pass looking to the sideline for the next play... which he often does prior to the whistle.

I tell ya.. the kid plays so effin' relaxed... that he just kinda folds up lessening rather than magnifying the blow. That whole flexibility thing is the Brady principle for longevity. So while Rosen will fill out with time, not sure I want him to muscle up...

[Tour2ma]

3 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

I don't think that there is any "Problem" really.  All I am saying is that right here, right now, they have Rudolph on top.  And yes, just like everyone else, these rankings will be revived when we know all who are going to declare...and when there is more intensive scouting of them.

Point simply being....Rudolph will be a factor in the issue of which QB goes #1....just like Trubisky was last year.

Beyond that, I don't see where they have left any of the usual suspects off of their rankings because they are at this point undeclared underclassmen. Maybe Darnold perhaps....but Rudolph is in there...as is Rosen...and just about everyone else.  So, at this point it seems that they have all been evaluated equally....and that in their minds at least Rudolph has come out on top so far.

I can only clue you in on what's happening, Gip.

Again... Care to make it interesting? Two bet parlay?

• Part 1: What round Rudolph goes in.
• Part 2: How many QBs are taken before him?

 

[The Gipper]

10 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

I can only clue you in on what's happening, Gip.

Again... Care to make it interesting? Two bet parlay?

• Part 1: What round Rudolph goes in.
• Part 2: How many QBs are taken before him?

 

It is really not that important to me.  The only thing I am interested in is if he or whoever is taken by the Browns.   I said I am not joining any camps.   And by what I said here is merely reporting that a fairly well respected source has him at the top of the heap.  And that when I have seen him he looks pretty good.

We have 6 more games in this season...and we are going on about this?   What if the Browns win all 6?  Then where will we be?

[Clevfan4life]

24 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

If you saw the Miami game then you saw him take a helluva shot there... and bounce right back up after the completed pass 

Was that shot followed up with two more back to back jacks to the lower lumbar from free riding green lighted primary edge rushers? U know, a real first energy special?

a combine interview question ought to revolve around pictures of typical cleveland clowd cover in the fall. So josh, do u like these pictures? Do u appreciate nice fluffy clouds? U do ok great i think we can confirtably say welcome to clev josh

[SD_Tom]

2 hours ago, hoorta said:

LOL, seeing that picture notice any similarity?   

Wasn't that one reason Rogers fell in the draft? He was considered too Socky,  unliked by teammates? 

[hoorta]

5 hours ago, The Gipper said:

It is really not that important to me.  The only thing I am interested in is if he or whoever is taken by the Browns.   I said I am not joining any camps.   And by what I said here is merely reporting that a fairly well respected source has him at the top of the heap.  And that when I have seen him he looks pretty good.

We have 6 more games in this season...and we are going on about this?   What if the Browns win all 6?  Then where will we be?

Har, the odds of the Browns winning all six are about the same as the earth getting hit by an asteroid.   

[Tour2ma]

16 hours ago, The Gipper said:

Then where will we be?

Survey question? Imma go with... sitting pretty with a franchise grade QB already rostered.

 

You don't have to be in a camp to bet... just have a little conviction.

[The Gipper]

14 hours ago, hoorta said:

Har, the odds of the Browns winning all six are about the same as the earth getting hit by an asteroid.   

Well then we will just call you Chicken Little.

[jiggins7919]

I saw some other highlights of Rosen, but I wanted to post the Texas A&M video again in case people don't go back in the thread (I didn't see turn on this page but I could've missed it). 

 

I think this game shows both the highs and the lows of what Rosen brings to the table. Now to be fair to Rosen, it didn't appear that his OL did him many favors. Perhaps it's because Aggies knew he had to pass late in the game, but the guy was running for his life more often than not. Additionally, there were a few times his receivers let him down, as I counted at least two dropped touchdowns, including a potential game-tying drop at the end. However, one receiver COMPLETELY bailed him out on that deep toss into double coverage, so maybe it balances out somewhat. Rosen definitely looked like he locks onto primary reads, and his decision making was spotty. Several times he just threw it up for grabs under pressure, and a few were beyond awful. 

This isn't to say his performance was all bad, in fact, far from it. He definitely looks to step up in the pocket, and he's not afraid to run when he has to. Additionally, he keeps his eyes down the field and will hurt teams that way. There isn't a throw he won't attempt, and the ball seemingly explodes from his hand. I don't love the fact he dropped several snaps, and one INT came from picking up the ball and blindly throwing it to the defense. Conversely, he picked up another snap and made a perfect throw. He's got talent, no question. But he's far from perfect. I don't have time to write anymore, but I'll look more into him later. Happy Thanksgiving all! 

[Tour2ma]

Be sure to include some 2017 tape...

[SD_Tom]

Rodney Anderson RB for Oklahoma is a td machine. 

 

[jiggins7919]

On 11/24/2017 at 9:05 AM, Tour2ma said:

Be sure to include some 2017 tape...

LOL! Sorry Tour. Not sure how I missed that. 

I'm watching more and more of Rosen, and I gotta tell you...he's got what I'm looking for. He really does. 

So what do I like? The obvious answer is he's got arm talent out the wazoo. He's not afraid to throw over the middle, and he'll fire into tight windows, which is required in red zone execution. Very clean delivery, not a whole lot of wasted movement. I've seen him look down the field and then quickly check down, which is something I absolutely love in a QB. He's very accurate with those bubble screens to WRs, and doesn't throw low or behind that often (Ahem, Kizer). Perhaps my favorite trait is his ability to calmly "climb" the pocket and keep his head up. He's also shown that he'll take a hit while delivering a strike. Has nice timing on RB screens and really sells the play without panicking. Has a calmness about him and did I mention I love his passes over the middle and down the seam? 

Rosen isn't perfect, and there will be some who nitpick him to death, but I see him being the first player taken in the draft, and I believe it'll be almost a consensus pick by the time the draft gets here. 

Rosen is my #1, (did I mention he can throw an end zone fade pass? Ahem, Kizer), but my number 2 is Lamar Jackson. I realize Lamar is nowhere near as refined, but when you go back and watch what he can do, he really gets you wondering. It's not like the guy can't throw or anything, quite the contrary. Lamar can throw it with absurd accuracy and he'll attack both the middle and the sidelines. His ability to make a play on 3rd down is legendary, and if it's 3rd and short, he puts a TON of pressure on the defense because of his running abilities. Lamar basically farts 5 yards every time he takes off, and he's a guy who can gash for 20 yards and prance out of bounds without taking a hit. He's extremely sudden and possesses almost unfair acceleration. If we don't draft him, and I'm hoping we get Rosen, Lamar is a guy I'm be watching with a ton of interest. 

[TexasAg1969]

1 hour ago, jiggins7919 said:

LOL! Sorry Tour. Not sure how I missed that. 

I'm watching more and more of Rosen, and I gotta tell you...he's got what I'm looking for. He really does. 

So what do I like? The obvious answer is he's got arm talent out the wazoo. He's not afraid to throw over the middle, and he'll fire into tight windows, which is required in red zone execution. Very clean delivery, not a whole lot of wasted movement. I've seen him look down the field and then quickly check down, which is something I absolutely love in a QB. He's very accurate with those bubble screens to WRs, and doesn't throw low or behind that often (Ahem, Kizer). Perhaps my favorite trait is his ability to calmly "climb" the pocket and keep his head up. He's also shown that he'll take a hit while delivering a strike. Has nice timing on RB screens and really sells the play without panicking. Has a calmness about him and did I mention I love his passes over the middle and down the seam? 

Rosen isn't perfect, and there will be some who nitpick him to death, but I see him being the first player taken in the draft, and I believe it'll be almost a consensus pick by the time the draft gets here. 

Rosen is my #1, (did I mention he can throw an end zone fade pass? Ahem, Kizer), but my number 2 is Lamar Jackson. I realize Lamar is nowhere near as refined, but when you go back and watch what he can do, he really gets you wondering. It's not like the guy can't throw or anything, quite the contrary. Lamar can throw it with absurd accuracy and he'll attack both the middle and the sidelines. His ability to make a play on 3rd down is legendary, and if it's 3rd and short, he puts a TON of pressure on the defense because of his running abilities. Lamar basically farts 5 yards every time he takes off, and he's a guy who can gash for 20 yards and prance out of bounds without taking a hit. He's extremely sudden and possesses almost unfair acceleration. If we don't draft him, and I'm hoping we get Rosen, Lamar is a guy I'm be watching with a ton of interest. 

Two back shoulder strikes for TD's last game right square on the money. and both delivered before the WR even turned his head back to the QB. Find a way to get his favorite receiver too. Nothing like a prior connection as a go to option.