Tour2ma Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 And maybe Randy Lerner would rebuy the Browns... An owner change at this point would be as disastrous as "installing a football guy" atop the FO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 40 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: And maybe Randy Lerner would rebuy the Browns... An owner change at this point would be as disastrous as "installing a football guy" atop the FO. You tell em boy! Keep them damn football people away from the controls of the team. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 3 hours ago, Westside Steve said: Maybe some of the guys that keep calling for this will get lucky and Bernie Kosar will take that eight hundred bucks he still has in the bank and put together a Consortium. WSS Oh god $800, for a guy who made about $80,000,000 (+/-) in NFL career.....and was a finance student while at Miami, unreal. BUT might be good in some capacity with the BROWNS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 9 hours ago, PoeticG said: So why is Hogan 3rd string is what I want to know. I think Kessler goes and Hogan stays next year, they just want to be sure Kessler is done. Hogan came in the game and put points on the board... enough points that Kizer was edged out of the start. But know- nothing. Hate to break it to you PO, but MHO is Kizer is the only one who survives. 2 hours ago, Westside Steve said: And I understand that. As long as we're understanding stuff. Hoping he can dodge these Mickey Mouse accusations or has the good sense to sell to somebody who might have a better grip on it. Still as far as that goes who the hell knows? Within a team you can go back a few years before they get successful and probably have no idea whether or not the front office and coaching staff that has been put in place is going to be a winner in the future. WSS Steve, when the Feds get involved it's not looking good for Jimmy. Dee could probably run the team if he winds up in some resort federal lockup for a few years. Or the league could force him out, even if he doesn't get found out running that rebate scam. Which brings me to...... 2 hours ago, Westside Steve said: Maybe some of the guys that keep calling for this will get lucky and Bernie Kosar will take that eight hundred bucks he still has in the bank and put together a Consortium. WSS Bernie's got his name and almost certainly a cut of the profits at Kosar's at the Racino. Plus, gets something for those radio and TV spots. So he's not broke. The better question is, does he know enough guys with enough cash (like a billion or so) to buy Haslam out? Though really, all they'd need is (shades of Modell) 51% to have controlling interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 Okay Bernie's paycheck for the restaurant and radio spots might be more than eight hundred bucks. That's your argument? Controlling interest in an NFL team would probably cost at least five or six thousand dollars. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: Okay Bernie's paycheck for the restaurant and radio spots might be more than eight hundred bucks. That's your argument? Controlling interest in an NFL team would probably cost at least five or six thousand dollars. WSS Maybe he could get a peanut concession? Seriously though I've always liked Bernie he sold out for Cleveland and I wish him well.....hopefully still with the Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 10 hours ago, PoeticG said: So why is Hogan 3rd string is what I want to know. I think Kessler goes and Hogan stays next year, they just want to be sure Kessler is done. Hogan came in the game and put points on the board... enough points that Kizer was edged out of the start. But know- nothing. Either Hue hates him or they see him in practice and he sucks like he did against the Texans. I don't see how anyone can watch Kessler play and not know that he is completely done....actually a bit overdone for my taste. He played hard last year and got the shit beat out of him....not hard to imagine that it's taken its toll on him. Why after the last 2 relief appearances (Lions and Bengals) Kessler is still the backup is beyond me. There's probably practice squad players on other rosters who can look more adept at playing QB than Kessler does this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 And before we all get too sad for Kessler or any of the BROWNS QBs they'll survive: Active Roster Cap Figures Current & future salary cap figures for players on the active roster. For more view the complete Browns Salary Cap Table QUARTERBACKS POS. 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 DeShone Kizer QB $899,712 $1,124,640 $1,349,568 $1,574,496 UFA Cody Kessler QB $770,246 $924,295 $1,078,344 UFA - Kevin Hogan QB $540,000 ERFA - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillmotion Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 8 minutes ago, mjp28 said: And before we all get too sad for Kessler or any of the BROWNS QBs they'll survive: Active Roster Cap Figures Current & future salary cap figures for players on the active roster. For more view the complete Browns Salary Cap Table QUARTERBACKS POS. 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 DeShone Kizer QB $899,712 $1,124,640 $1,349,568 $1,574,496 UFA Cody Kessler QB $770,246 $924,295 $1,078,344 UFA - Kevin Hogan QB $540,000 ERFA - We're spending too much at QB. we need more UDFA to play QB. let's cut anyone over 25 immediately and stack this team with mid round draft picks and undrafted free agents. I want to get Jimmy the most cap room saved for next year as legally possible, so he has the money to fight these evil lawyers who are trying to frame him into being responsible for a rebate scam! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 Yes everything in football and life is relative plus the payroll and caps enter into any decisions, oh FYI: NFL QUARTERBACKS BY TEAM (2017 cap, Ave cap, % of cap dollars ) Cap Allocation: Active Roster 22 Philadelphia Eagles 3 $7,948,686 $2,649,562 4.70% 23 Los Angeles Rams 3 $7,775,957 $2,591,986 4.97% 24 Arizona Cardinals 3 $5,264,117 $1,754,706 3.14% 25 Minnesota Vikings 3 $4,523,284 $1,507,761 2.86% 26 Denver Broncos 3 $3,556,899 $1,185,633 2.27% 27 Indianapolis Colts 2 $2,580,038 $1,290,019 1.66% 28 Cleveland Browns 3 $2,209,958 $736,653 1.43% 29 Houston Texans 2 $1,175,440 $587,720 0.74% 30 Dallas Cowboys 2 $1,102,514 $551,257 0.69% 31 San Francisco 49ers 2 $1,075,730 $537,865 0.74% 32 Green Bay Packers 2 $1,020,323 $510,162 0.62% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Westside Steve said: You tell em boy! Keep them damn football people away from the controls of the team. My name is Tour... and I'm here to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/ 31 minutes ago, mjp28 said: And before we all get too sad for Kessler or any of the BROWNS QBs they'll survive: Active Roster Cap Figures Current & future salary cap figures for players on the active roster. For more view the complete Browns Salary Cap Table QUARTERBACKS POS. 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 DeShone Kizer QB $899,712 $1,124,640 $1,349,568 $1,574,496 UFA Cody Kessler QB $770,246 $924,295 $1,078,344 UFA - Kevin Hogan QB $540,000 ERFA - Oh BTW want to play GM? Owner? Coach (if you're allowed)? It's not all stats on the field, unfortunately. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/ Tour is here to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 I like to play with numbers, our former rivals, remember everything is relative: PLAYER (59) POS. AGE EXP. CONTRACT TERMS AVG. SALARY GUARANTEED EXPIRES Ben Roethlisberger QB 35 14 4 yr$87,400,000 $21,850,000 $31,000,000 2020 Antonio Brown WR 29 8 4 yr$68,000,000 $17,000,000 $19,000,000 2022 Stephon Tuitt DE 24 4 5 yr$60,001,439 $12,000,288 $13,000,000 2023 Cameron Heyward DE 28 7 6 yr$59,200,000 $9,866,667 $15,000,000 2021 David DeCastro G 27 6 5 yr$50,000,000 $10,000,000 $16,000,000 2022 Maurkice Pouncey C 28 8 5 yr$44,136,625 $8,827,325 $13,000,000 2020 Marcus Gilbert RT 29 7 5 yr$30,815,000 $6,163,000 $7,650,000 2020 Joe Haden CB 28 8 3 yr$27,000,000 $9,000,000 $5,750,000 2020 Mike Mitchell FS 30 9 5 yr$25,000,000 $5,000,000 $5,250,000 2019 Alejandro Villanueva LT 29 3 4 yr$24,000,000 $6,000,000 $6,500,000 2021 Vance McDonald TE 27 5 3 yr$19,650,000 $6,550,000 $9,100,000 2022 Le'Veon Bell RB 25 5 1 yr$12,120,000 $12,120,000 - 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 lol... Tour uses OverTheCap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 4 hours ago, Westside Steve said: And I understand that. As long as we're understanding stuff. Hoping he can dodge these Mickey Mouse accusations or has the good sense to sell to somebody who might have a better grip on it. Still as far as that goes who the hell knows? Within a team you can go back a few years before they get successful and probably have no idea whether or not the front office and coaching staff that has been put in place is going to be a winner in the future. WSS He won't sell. If he gets into the kind of trouble that seems possible from this, his wife/daughter/son in law will own/run the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Westside Steve said: Okay Bernie's paycheck for the restaurant and radio spots might be more than eight hundred bucks. That's your argument? Controlling interest in an NFL team would probably cost at least five or six thousand dollars. WSS Steve, though I can't say this one is completely my idea... an inference from Cleveland.com- since Warren Buffet is buying Pilot\Flying J, maybe Jimmy can tell him hey Warren, I got a bridge er, football team I'd like to sell you..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, hoorta said: Steve, though I can't say this one is completely my idea... an inference from Cleveland.com- since Warren Buffet is buying Pilot\Flying J, maybe Jimmy can tell him hey Warren, I got a bridge er, football team I'd like to sell you..... I think if Buffet had wanted a football team he would have bought one by now. So, that ain't happening. And, from what I understand, NFL rules prohibit the team from being sold to a corporate conglomerate like Berkshire Hathaway. They demand that NFL team be owned by a greedy majority owner individual. (except..of course, the Packers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 Steelers top players well paid and locked somewhat different than the Browns and particularly Browns QB situation. You wonder if any mega billionaire would step in on the Brownies situation, who? Oh our old friend Mr. Haden got a wonderful parting gift for his NFL career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 If you factor in Osweiler's 16 million for a QB not even on our team... that puts the Browns at the top of the list at 18 Millions dollars this season on QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 2 hours ago, PoeticG said: If you factor in Osweiler's 16 million for a QB not even on our team... that puts the Browns at the top of the list at 18 Millions dollars this season on QB Who cares about the money they are spending? Get a good QB...and a good rest of the team. And shove whatever money you think you are saving up your arse, arselings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Apathetic? Jiggins had a post recently where his anger about a Browns game was obvious. You could almost visualize him tapping angrily on his laptop in between chain-smoking cigarettes and downing whiskey from a bottle. (Apparently I visualize him as a private investigator from the 40s). Anyway, I was almost envious over his rage over the Browns. I can't recall the last time I've been truly pissed off during/after a Browns game. Oh sure, there's plenty of sighs, moans, or even laughter during Browns games. But anger? It's been a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagitron Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/27/2017 at 11:22 PM, LogicIsForSquares said: No. Thus why I said as much. Misinterpreted. I've spent too much time (an hour is enough) on the political board here. I agree. He's Shmucking awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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