Tour2ma Posted November 30, 2017 Report Posted November 30, 2017 Gip passed on starting the thread... so... Which QBs this season are: Holding back their teams? Elevating their teams?
The Gipper Posted November 30, 2017 Report Posted November 30, 2017 Sorry, just forgot to get around to it. Some answers already suggested. 1. Holding back: Bortles in Jax. Whoever in Denver. Everyone in Cleveland. Taylor in Buffalo...maybe..not sure about that one. 2. Elevates their team? Duh....Mr. Brady. Mr. Ben R. Mr. Wilson Mr. Rodgers...when healthy. Mr. Newton perhaps. And as I think they will soon discover...Mr. Eli Manning.
Mark O Posted November 30, 2017 Report Posted November 30, 2017 2 hours ago, The Gipper said: Sorry, just forgot to get around to it. Some answers already suggested. 1. Holding back: Bortles in Jax. Whoever in Denver. Everyone in Cleveland. Taylor in Buffalo...maybe..not sure about that one. Disagree on Taylor in Buffalo. He might not be a future super bowl winner but when your replacement throws 5 picks in a half and only completes 6 passes for 60 yards, you're sure as shit not holding your team back. I'd add Alex Smith in KC over the last 6 weeks. Cutler in Miami as well.
darubes Posted November 30, 2017 Report Posted November 30, 2017 1.Jameis Winston at times, 2. Drew Brees Matthew Stafford
tiamat63 Posted December 1, 2017 Report Posted December 1, 2017 1) Niners QB's and unless this magic continues - Case Keenum for the Vikes. 2) Stafford is the only thing keeping the Lions from slipping into the Abyss. Honorable mention to Jacoby in Indy.
Tour2ma Posted December 1, 2017 Author Report Posted December 1, 2017 1. Holdbacks... My simple criteria is a candidate's team has to be a playoff contender in every other way. Bortles is clearly the poster child for holdback QBs. Using my criteria I'm not sure that I see another... not at this point in the season anyway. A bit earlier Big Ben seemed to be there as did Matt Ryan, but both seem to now be rounding into playoff form. Winston is one addition I might make, but I don't think the Bucs are as good as their Hard Knocks hype made them out to be. Mariotta crossed my mind as well, but again not a clear enough cut case to my mind. 2. Elevators... Opposite criteria, i.e., without this QB playing as well as he is, the team would not be a playoff contender. Easy first for me is Case Keenum. Not as easy a choice were Cook still playing, but since he went down what Case has done with the remaining Offense has been nothing short of great. I have to grant that in part this is a result of less than stellar expectations for Keenum, but even knowing that he tops my list. His mobility has brought a badly needed element to the Vikes' Offense. And... there's not an easy 2nd. Plenty of other good to great QBs playing on great to good teams. Were he still taking the field Watson in Houston would be an easy addition as he ignited that team... but he's not... so he's not. The only other serious consideration I see right now is Russell Wilson. Without him, and in particular his running, I think the 'Hawks marginal playoff aspirations would vanish.
PoeticG Posted December 1, 2017 Report Posted December 1, 2017 The Biggest holdback is Kizer, because he's taking plays away from THE GUY who is ready for this. I count Kizer the biggest holdback because as the guy that leads this team at QB we're 0-11. There is no way Hogan could be worse. No way Hogan could be worse than Kessler has been. No way~ I know the Texans game will be brought up, but check this, had Hogan had preseason starts and reps with the first team he would have been even better ready for the Texans. Hogan has this team competitive... and there is no argument for Kizer if it's not that him starting is intentionally losing for a high draft pick. He's the scapegoat. Well, even then it doesn't hold up because what if HOGAN is THE GUY. Then in the draft we can build the offense around his skillset and strengths and we'd have a chance at something special next year. Instead, I hope not, but maybe they take the wrong rookie QB next year and it's another rookie starting all season that can't get it... I know Hogan can execute at this level. He just needs an opportunity. Hogan to Gordon for the game winner in SD. Bank on it. Crazy Kev also elevates the guys around him when he's in the game. Ask Njoku or DeValve. or any of the practice squad players he's gotten elevated to the active roster.
PoeticG Posted December 1, 2017 Report Posted December 1, 2017 You can sigh all you want but you know I'm right. Wasn't it you that promised me Gordon would never play for the Browns again... there was so many naysayers I can't remember them all... kinda like the Carr thing... or Tyrann Mathieu, it's just an instincts thing, some have it, some don't...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 1, 2017 Report Posted December 1, 2017 PoG, your gimmick is garbage.
PoeticG Posted December 1, 2017 Report Posted December 1, 2017 Real talk 100% authentic, no gimmick. Gimmicks are for the simple minded with little dicks.
Mark O Posted December 1, 2017 Report Posted December 1, 2017 Just now, PoeticG said: You can sigh all you want but you know I'm right. Wasn't it you that promised me Gordon would never play for the Browns again... there was so many naysayers I can't remember them all... kinda like the Carr thing... or Tyrann Mathieu, it's just an instincts thing, some have it, some don't... I don't know youre right. I think Hogan is hot garbage. Slightly better than Kessler...who we all know sucks donkey balls. Gordon still hasn't played a game yet. Lets see if he actually takes the field and plays before we put him in the hall of fame ok?
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 1, 2017 Report Posted December 1, 2017 1 minute ago, PoeticG said: Real talk 100% authentic, no gimmick. Gimmicks are for the simple minded with little dicks. Well could you please stop, tic-tac dong.
PoeticG Posted December 1, 2017 Report Posted December 1, 2017 Tic-Tac dong? Kindly tell me good sir who holds the top spot for average rushing yards per attempt? Who has the longest pass completion of the season? ~ Aaaaaand, who has the best QBR on the team? (mic drop)
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 1, 2017 Report Posted December 1, 2017 You and Ghoolie should compare notes. His gimmick is tired too.
Mark O Posted December 1, 2017 Report Posted December 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, PoeticG said: Tic-Tac dong? Kindly tell me good sir who holds the top spot for average rushing yards per attempt? Who has the longest pass completion of the season? ~ Aaaaaand, who has the best QBR on the team? (mic drop) All of those stats mean nothing since they are garbage time stats. He's not good. None of the Qb's are any good. The fact that you're blowing Kevin Fucking Hogan after what we've seen kills your Derek Carr love. One is really good...the other blows donkeys. I'll let you figure out which is which.
TexasAg1969 Posted December 1, 2017 Report Posted December 1, 2017 22 minutes ago, PoeticG said: Real talk 100% authentic, no gimmick. Gimmicks are for the simple minded with little dicks. So gimmick it is. Well done!
PoeticG Posted December 1, 2017 Report Posted December 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Mark O said: All of those stats mean nothing since they are garbage time stats. You mean the middle of the game against the Ravens, on whom we couldn't gain anything before or after he came in the game? Or the garbage time when the Bengals were trying with ALL THEIR MIGHT, even bringing Burfict back in the game, to try and pitch a shutout, that Kevin foiled? Or maybe it was the whole getting a start with only 3 days notice that he would be the guy going into his first start, against a lava hot Texans team? Which one is it? You're not going to be able to "one liner" your way out of this one.
PoeticG Posted December 1, 2017 Report Posted December 1, 2017 Just admit it, Kevin Hogan is the best QB by a big margin- but you want that first pick even if it means slandering the kid.
gumby73 Posted December 1, 2017 Report Posted December 1, 2017 19 minutes ago, PoeticG said: Just admit it, Hogan CRY-ED Kerry did too.
Dutch Oven Posted December 1, 2017 Report Posted December 1, 2017 29 minutes ago, PoeticG said: Just admit it, Kevin Hogan is the best QB by a big margin- but you want that first pick even if it means slandering the kid.
browns23 Posted December 1, 2017 Report Posted December 1, 2017 Just to put in perspective Hogan has 7 career interceptions in 101 attempts and Kizer has 14 in 313 attempts. Meaning Hogan would have 21 picks if he had as many horrific attempts as Kizer....
PoeticG Posted December 1, 2017 Report Posted December 1, 2017 Player Att Comp Yds Comp % Yds/Att TD TD % INT INT % Long Sck Sack/Lost Rating DeShone Kizer 313 166 1823 53.0 5.8 5 1.6 14 4.5 44 24 152 57.2 Kevin Hogan 75 46 517 61.3 6.9 4 5.3 5 6.7 49 6 35 71.9 So let's see this- Kizer has roughly 4x the amount of attempts as Hogan... Kevin Hogan 300 184 2068 61.3 6.9 16 5.3 20 6.7 ? 24 140 ? So okay, we extrapolate out into the future and we see that Hogan is better pretty much everywhere. It shows that Kizer has ALREADY been sacked 24 times. It shows Kizer has lost more yards on sacks, that Kizer loses on yards gained and on completions. It shows that Kizer's 5 TDS are eye opening and his dismal. FYI- 3 of Hogan's INTs came of no consequence. Two of them came just before halftime in which there was no time on the clock, simple throw it up and hope someone makes a play types. So here I'll give Hogan a little credit, he wouldn't have 20 INTs so far. I'd say 10 to 12 would be an okay number but his 16 TDs (possibly more) would offset that discrepancy. HOWEVER, Kizer's 5 TDs to 14 INTs is astounding!!! Great job Kitanic!!! Woo Hoo!!! You guys have hitched your wagon to the right guy, that's for sure. Please, keep telling me that Kizer should start! lol
PoeticG Posted December 1, 2017 Report Posted December 1, 2017 Another bonus of starting Kevin Hogan- We wouldn't need to see Kessler get sacked at least once a game. Hogan wouldn't need replaced as often as a cheap set of brakes.
browns23 Posted December 1, 2017 Report Posted December 1, 2017 Nowhere was I saying Kizer was good. Just saying Hogan has just as much potential to turn the ball over (if not more), and you always are adamant about how Kizers turnovers are such an issue like in the quote below. ”How about his season turnovers? What about his inaccuracy or his lack of touch? Is it any surprise Coleman dropped that pass, probably never in a million years did he expect it to go where it was supposed to, hell- I bet Kizer was even surprised. A blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. Sorry but 1 accurate pass out of 8 attempts does not scream QBOTF. Kizer blows and I can't wait until we're done with his entitled butt.“ They all blow POG. Love your enthusiasm but Hogan, nor Kessler nor Kizer are the QBOTF. On a side note I’m sure there was a pick or two of Kizers that went bouncing off one of our dumbass receivers hands straight into the DB’s hands (not that it matters). So the argument that his picks didn’t matter is ludicrous.
Nero Posted December 1, 2017 Report Posted December 1, 2017 I wake up in the morning. Check the thread on my phone "oh, there have been a lot of replies!" I read Tour's, I scroll down all the Hogan posts. There's nothing more. Thanks for ruining my expectations.
Tour2ma Posted December 1, 2017 Author Report Posted December 1, 2017 lol... really... Kizer, or any other CLE QB, ain't holding back Sheet... at least not very far. Not with the WR corps and run game we've had to date.
stillmotion Posted December 1, 2017 Report Posted December 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Tour2ma said: lol... really... Kizer, or any other CLE QB, ain't holding back Sheet... at least not very far. Not with the WR corps and run game we've had to date. Lol, thread hijacked by PoG into a Hogan appreciation thread
The Gipper Posted December 1, 2017 Report Posted December 1, 2017 15 hours ago, PoeticG said: The Biggest holdback is Kizer, because he's taking plays away from THE GUY who is ready for this. I count Kizer the biggest holdback because as the guy that leads this team at QB we're 0-11. There is no way Hogan could be worse. No way Hogan could be worse than Kessler has been. No way~ I know the Texans game will be brought up, but check this, had Hogan had preseason starts and reps with the first team he would have been even better ready for the Texans. Hogan has this team competitive... and there is no argument for Kizer if it's not that him starting is intentionally losing for a high draft pick. He's the scapegoat. Well, even then it doesn't hold up because what if HOGAN is THE GUY. Then in the draft we can build the offense around his skillset and strengths and we'd have a chance at something special next year. Instead, I hope not, but maybe they take the wrong rookie QB next year and it's another rookie starting all season that can't get it... I know Hogan can execute at this level. He just needs an opportunity. Hogan to Gordon for the game winner in SD. Bank on it. Crazy Kev also elevates the guys around him when he's in the game. Ask Njoku or DeValve. or any of the practice squad players he's gotten elevated to the active roster. Fuhuck you and your Hogan horseshite. Do you have to ruin just about every thread with you fuyucking stupid, ignorant obsession. Fuyucking faggot.
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