jcam222 Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Where there's smoke there's fire. Buyer beware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 11 hours ago, calfoxwc said: rosen might go the Elway-Manning route and refuse to play for the Browns anyways - just not the right pick for the Browns - too bad, he certainly has the arm, he just doesn't have the class. If only your standards were half as high for picking a President... 9 hours ago, The Gipper said: So...he is not #1 because no one is #1. I heard somewhere that Rudolf is #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 9 hours ago, D Bone said: I've seen every Rosen snap and his pocket movement is Brady like in terms of being slippery and finding a different launch point. While the "mobile QB" tag may never be slapped on him, he's definitely good enough. My only concern is wondering what's in his heart.... Does he love football enough to be great at the next level? He's been hard to read on that for all the years I've seen him play. Just when I think "Hell yea, dude is a warrior" then another game pops up where I wondered if he needed a nap at half time..... I just don't know about his motor. Agree... between the lines he's the best I see. Off-field? I have no way of knowing for sure. Fortunately we now have a football guy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 2 hours ago, stillmotion said: https://nflspinzone.com/2017/06/30/2018-nfl-draft-josh-rosen-smear-campaign/ On the Rich Eisen Show recently, UCLA coach Jim Mora heaped tremendous praise on Rosen but also said he has asked Rosen if he wants to be more like Johnny Manziel or Tom Brady. The implication is clear. Maybe Rosen should tone it down. You really might want to read the entire article since the author ends up questioning the motives of the "anonymous scouts"... and you. 2 hours ago, stillmotion said: It's no more absurd than comparing Mayfield to Manziel. Sure it is... and I have the game film and arrest records to prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 I think I can't stand away from the QB discussion anymore. Every NFL scouting team has its schedule, that goes until the Combine or Pro Days I'd say, in order to set up a board for the draft and approach different prospects in Pro Days, interviews etc. Right now, I bet that they are compiling info and nobody can make a half way decent mock draft simply because not even the GMs have made their mind yet. I don't give too much credit to August news, either. There's a lot of stuff going on the year before the draft, that you can have hundreds of reports going many ways simply because of the many interests that surround the draft. Say that you are the Giants or Denver GM, and pick just after Browns and also need a QB. If you want Rosen you will probably try to minimize his appeal, and if a reporter asks you, you just say 'he's OK but you are concerned about his character.' By now you may think that I'm contradicting myself, but as the year goes on you can tell (and reporters do) better what's the general trend and what is a smoke curtain. And when evaluating the players, please. The intangibles. That kind of stuff is amazing... I almost only care about work ethic. The rest? I think intangibles should be only a 'tiebreaker' between two prospects with similar tangibles. Of the best QBs in the NFL, I'd say that the only ones that strike me as real leaders or motivators are Brady, Wilson, Cousins, Stafford, Rivers... Rogers isn't a great leader, neither Cam, or Smith. And I wish we had any of them. QBs being jerks doesn't surprise me. They are the most important player in one of the most important sports. You want a guy that works his butt off, if you can add a great leadership mind, fantastic, but it is just a topping, in my opinion, and many things should be evaluated first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Sure it's early, but we're Browns fans... We play to win the Draft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 5 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: You'd think short QBs with obvious maturity issues who play in the Big 12 would be red flags too... Yeah, he's 2" taller than Russell Wilson (just as mobile), and 1" taller than Drew Brees. Height won't be a major issue. Big 12 soft D? TCU had a decent defense, and he destroyed them. Ditto Ohio State. Maturity issues, yep, but he's no Manziel, apologized for his on field behavior, something Johnny Football never did. Teammates love playing for him. He wins the National Championship, his stock will go through the roof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Who would you rather have doing your heart surgery: the highly qualified guy with a bad attitude or the C-level grad with a great bed side manner? Give me highly qualified douche bag all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted December 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 So as expected, basically the only argument against Rosen is the attitude problem, with three marked examples 1) Wearing a stupid hat on a golf course- HOLY Sheet! 2) Making an articulate point about the nonsense that is NCAA sports- WHAT A DOUCHE 3) Rogue scouts saying he has attitude problems. Mind you, this is directly from Jim Mora: "It's important to know this about Josh Rosen: He's very, very, very well respected by his coaches and his teammates because we see on a daily basis his commitment, his work ethic, his attitude, his passion for football," Mora said. "We also know he's an incredibly intelligent young man that does have opinions. Oftentimes, those opinions are conveyed to others because he is trying to bring attention to some who are less fortunate or have less than he does, and at times he feels are being taken advantage of." My point with all this is let's cut the crap, and take the best player in the draft in the strongest position of need. Please don't overthink this thing, and let the kid take over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 29 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Who would you rather have doing your heart surgery: the highly qualified guy with a bad attitude or the C-level grad with a great bed side manner? Give me highly qualified douche bag all day. That's from House MD? I remember having the same conversation with my mother, when she said that the character shouldn't be so hateful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 12 minutes ago, Nero said: That's from House MD? I remember having the same conversation with my mother, when she said that the character shouldn't be so hateful. It could have been? I have just had surgeons before who were borderline autistic in their inability to communicate with patients. However, they did a great job so I didn't give a damn haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 11 hours ago, stillmotion said: Trent Dilfer who ran the camp had a number of quotes about Josh. The least offensive of which was “My bigger thing was he thinks he knows more than he knows.” Lol, Trent Dilfer? That hypocritical turd should look in the mirror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, RoyceRolls said: Lol, Trent Dilfer? That hypocritical turd should look in the mirror. I don't remember Trent Dilfer ever being spoken of as an pooper. I think that's revisionist on your part. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Dilfer has since changed his opinion after being around Rosen this past summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 http://es.pn/2wUNy9q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 2 hours ago, jrb12711 said: So as expected, basically the only argument against Rosen is the attitude problem, with three marked examples 1) Wearing a stupid hat on a golf course- HOLY Sheet! 2) Making an articulate point about the nonsense that is NCAA sports- WHAT A DOUCHE 3) Rogue scouts saying he has attitude problems. Mind you, this is directly from Jim Mora: "It's important to know this about Josh Rosen: He's very, very, very well respected by his coaches and his teammates because we see on a daily basis his commitment, his work ethic, his attitude, his passion for football," Mora said. "We also know he's an incredibly intelligent young man that does have opinions. Oftentimes, those opinions are conveyed to others because he is trying to bring attention to some who are less fortunate or have less than he does, and at times he feels are being taken advantage of." My point with all this is let's cut the crap, and take the best player in the draft in the strongest position of need. Please don't overthink this thing, and let the kid take over. bs. the hat never had anything to do with it - it's several things that make a lot of folks consider him a prima donna entitlement whining complaining finger pointing disagreeing sombeitch. or not. Yeah, UCLA - Rosen is so good his coach got fired. Probably? for not disciplining his smart mouth qb. No thanks. Too bad mouthy boy was wanting to be a leader of the world instead of his football team. Rosen seems dedicated only to himself. That is what crap is. **************************************************** Happy ... trails: UCLA fires football coach Jim Mora on his birthday - LA ... www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-ucla-mora-fired-20171119-story.html Nov 19, 2017 - An era that once appeared so full of promise for UCLA ended with a thud Sunday when the school announced it had fired football coach Jim Mora, who could not build upon considerable early success while his teams sputtered the past two seasons. The Bruins, 5-6 overall and 3-5 in the Pac-12 Conference ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Meanwhile, Mora’s QB Josh Rosen virtually ensured that Dan Guerrero’s phone will ring off the hook this week when he offered his thoughts on the banners. “I thought it was absurd,” Rosen said. Rosen continued: "Parents of some kids on our team don’t make $30,000 in a year. To put that into a banner is absurd. Coach Mora went and climbed Kilimanjaro to raise money to dig wells for people in Africa to have clean water and I think one well might have been, like, $20,000 or something like that. It’s just absurd. It’s disrespectful. It’s disgusting. If you don’t think Coach Mora should be our coach, go talk to our AD yourself. Don’t publicly do something stupid that costs an unnecessary amount of money. That’s ridiculous. We love our coach. We’d all do anything for him and we know he’d do anything for us." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 we don't need a gigantic mouthpiece complaining about every freaking thing that moves in the media. gee, rosie rosen, ya think those poor people in Africa could have used a hot tub? or the money you used to buy it? I don't think I remember rosie starting a UCLA fundraiser while he was mouthing off all the time, and sitting in his hottub in his room. A pro qb who thinks he is above all rules, and nothing is good enough - he demands more, and will raise hell in the media at every chance he feels like it. Nope. The Browns want to build a super bowl team, not bring in the United Nations to enforce redistribution of wealth phoney "mmgw" taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 2 hours ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Who would you rather have doing your heart surgery: the highly qualified guy with a bad attitude or the C-level grad with a great bed side manner? Give me highly qualified douche bag all day. who would you rather pull you over for speeding on a rainy night in Georgia? A really respectful policemen with a smile? Or a really smartass, angry tough guy ready to pound you to the ground for nothing because you're out of state, throw you into a cell, have your car towed, and then kick you in the nuts because you didn't yell "YES SIR" loud enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 3 hours ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Who would you rather have doing your heart surgery: the highly qualified guy with a bad attitude or the C-level grad with a great bed side manner? Give me highly qualified douche bag all day. I want the highly qualified guy 11 out of 10 times. I want him to be the best, period. This is the rest of my life - and I'm paying him to fix the ticker, not to drink a beer with me. Each and every person who asserts that a surgeon/specialist "could" be nicer...... has never asked a clinician what medical training is like. They are trained to be that way because you can't think when something bad happens on the table - you can only react correctly if you're trained HARDER than the stress of the situation - and so if you really don't like that, there's exactly one solution.... you go get the training and succeed so well that everyone else will do what you say -- and then change the culture yourself. I really am never shocked that every entitled person who whines about nice also doesn't want to work hard enough to do anything differently.... in every profession. With Rosen, the insult/smear is intentionally non-specific.. "He's A Douche." OK.. HOW exactly is he a douche? He demands his players run the correct route? He studies film of his opponents late into the night? Yes, he thought he knew more at the Elite11 camp prior to college, but that seems par for the course and not some sort of "intrinsic neg." And this is exactly what his coach has said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted December 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 35 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: bs. the hat never had anything to do with it - it's several things that make a lot of folks consider him a prima donna entitlement whining complaining finger pointing disagreeing sombeitch. or not. Yeah, UCLA - Rosen is so good his coach got fired. Probably? for not disciplining his smart mouth qb. No thanks. Too bad mouthy boy was wanting to be a leader of the world instead of his football team. Rosen seems dedicated only to himself. That is what crap is. **************************************************** Happy ... trails: UCLA fires football coach Jim Mora on his birthday - LA ... www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-ucla-mora-fired-20171119-story.html Nov 19, 2017 - An era that once appeared so full of promise for UCLA ended with a thud Sunday when the school announced it had fired football coach Jim Mora, who could not build upon considerable early success while his teams sputtered the past two seasons. The Bruins, 5-6 overall and 3-5 in the Pac-12 Conference ... So violently assuming things without any proof, largely spurred by nothing but crazy opinions? That's why you don't like him, cut the crap. To say Rosen got Mora fired is beyond moronic, but no surprises there. You're right though, a player defending his coach from moron fans is cause for concern alright! Jesus Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 It's beginning to look a lot like draft day, everywhere I go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted December 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, D Bone said: It's beginning to look a lot like draft day, everywhere I go There's a QB the Brown's won't take who will certainly be great Instead we'll take a bust and frikin blow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 sorry, don't take it personally, but the point is, the qb has no business going into the media and raising hell vs the fans. fans buy tickets to games - some of them don't make a whole lot of money, either. "violently assuming"... lol,] never heard that one before. I didn't say he got Mora fired, I said if he was so great, why didn't he just use his magic twanger and make everybody around him great and they would win all their games, like you portend to believe happens? Don't take being disagreed with so hateful. When a mouthy qb has a hot tub in his room, he knows the rules. That's a red flag. Running his mouth about poor kids in Africa, fans who want the coach fired, poor families of players, ... he is ignoring the fact that they get free tuition, and housing, and food, and travel, and uniforms, and health care and whatever else they get free. but this idiot prima donna ignores all that, and says they should be paid. And all that is fine - I just would not select him in the draft.I would find a qb that was not going to divide a lockeroom, divide a fan base, criticize coaches, refs, the NFL, other teams, fans even from other cities.... that is what is possible. I just wouldn't take the chance, and there are other experts in the NFLwho feel the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 and it isn't just me. and I don't think these two scouts are "violently assuming". have a nice day. https://www.bigblueview.com/2017/11/10/16633680/scouts-assess-top-qbs-in-2018-nfl-draft-ny-giants-eli-manning-davis-webb-sam-darnold-josh-rosen Rosen, from UCLA, might be the most purely talented of all the quarterbacks in this class in terms of physical ability to deliver the football accurately and into the smallest windows. As Chris indicated, we know Giants’ Vice President of Player Evaluation Marc Ross has personally scouted Rosen. There is, though, a huge red flag with Rosen. Two veteran scouts dropped the “a-word” when I asked about him. One said simply “biggest a——— on the planet.” The other compared him to Jay Cutler and said “He isn’t a “character” guy, he’s an a———. Is smarter than everyone in the room and lets you know it. Has some entitlement to him.” Decide for yourselves if that’s what you want as the Giants’ quarterback of the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted December 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: sorry, don't take it personally, but the point is, the qb has no business going into the media and raising hell vs the fans. fans buy tickets to games - some of them don't make a whole lot of money, either. "violently assuming"... lol,] never heard that one before. I didn't say he got Mora fired, I said if he was so great, why didn't he just use his magic twanger and make everybody around him great and they would win all their games, like you portend to believe happens? Don't take being disagreed with so hateful. When a mouthy qb has a hot tub in his room, he knows the rules. That's a red flag. Running his mouth about poor kids in Africa, fans who want the coach fired, poor families of players, ... he is ignoring the fact that they get free tuition, and housing, and food, and travel, and uniforms, and health care and whatever else they get free. but this idiot prima donna ignores all that, and says they should be paid. And all that is fine - I just would not select him in the draft.I would find a qb that was not going to divide a lockeroom, divide a fan base, criticize coaches, refs, the NFL, other teams, fans even from other cities.... that is what is possible. I just wouldn't take the chance, and there are other experts in the NFLwho feel the same way. Come on man. You can't be at your age and watched football this long to make a claim that a QB alone makes a team national title contenders. Rosen literally carried that team to the record they have despite having a horrible defense and no other players. Do better. His point about the NCAA has been valid for decades. Guys like Rosen literally bring 10's of millions of dollars for schools, and even with all the free stuff they get it doesn't even come close. So yeah, he can convey inequalities with a broken system and I'm not going to be mad at hi, Lastly, you can't just keep quoting the same source about "two veteran scouts". I've already detailed a myriad of times that only goes so far, and only carries so much weight. It's clear you see the the kid as a rich entitled guy and it's something you don't like, therefore he's gonna be a bad QB. Yeah, he's not an angel but nothing he's done screams that he won't excel in the NFL. As I've quoted, players and coaches all meshed well with him. Tom Brady is a rich pompous pooper and yet he made it out okay too. You gotta let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 18 minutes ago, jrb12711 said: Come on man. You can't be at your age and watched football this long to make a claim that a QB alone makes a team national title contenders. Rosen literally carried that team to the record they have despite having a horrible defense and no other players. Do better. His point about the NCAA has been valid for decades. Guys like Rosen literally bring 10's of millions of dollars for schools, and even with all the free stuff they get it doesn't even come close. So yeah, he can convey inequalities with a broken system and I'm not going to be mad at hi, Lastly, you can't just keep quoting the same source about "two veteran scouts". I've already detailed a myriad of times that only goes so far, and only carries so much weight. It's clear you see the the kid as a rich entitled guy and it's something you don't like, therefore he's gonna be a bad QB. Yeah, he's not an angel but nothing he's done screams that he won't excel in the NFL. As I've quoted, players and coaches all meshed well with him. Tom Brady is a rich pompous pooper and yet he made it out okay too. You gotta let it go. A. haha. It isn't me who says a great qb makes the team around him a winner. But I've seen it plenty of times. The same logic you use with rosen now... "Rosen literally carried that team to the record they have despite having a horrible defense and no other players. Do better." - why doesn't that exact same thing apply to Josh Allen??? Wyoming plays in a bowl game. They did last year, too. That is after 4 years of not being good enough to play in a bowl game. That is Josh Allen at qb the last two years. http://trib.com/sports/college/wyoming/football/report-wyoming-football-locked-into-famous-idaho-potato-bowl/article_c6968b78-a5e0-5934-814f-0ebcca79ffe4.html "Wyoming has never played in the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl. The Cowboys played in the now-defunct Poinsettia Bowl last year, losing 24-21 to BYU and ending a four-year bowl drought. The Cowboys secured bowl eligibility this year with a 16-13 win over Colorado State, and will play in a bowl game in consecutive seasons for the first time since 1987-88. " NOTE: I don't know about rosen's toughness - how much he loves the game. http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21749094/wyoming-quarterback-josh-allen-aiming-play-bowl-game-healthy Josh Allen aiming to play in Famous Idaho Potato Bowl if throwing shoulder is healthy Dec 12, 2017 Associated Press LARAMIE, Wyo. -- Wyoming quarterback Josh Allen says his injured throwing shoulder is better than 90 percent recovered, but it's still too early to say whether he will be able to play in the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl on Dec. 22. Allen has been mentioned among the top quarterback prospects in the 2018 NFL draft. He sprained his right shoulder on Nov. 11 against Air Force and missed Wyoming's final two regular-season games. "We're still getting better day by day," Allen said Monday. Allen said he has been practicing with the No. 1 offense. "It's still not where I think it needs to be or where I'd want it to be, but things are progressively getting better, and I can feel it getting better day by day," he said of his shoulder. "Throwing is becoming a lot easier." The main issue he's dealing with now is pain, he said. "I definitely believe I can make all the throws," Allen said. "There's just some that I still can't put as much velocity as I want into the ball. It's a little painful coming through on the follow-through. The injury itself is gone. It's just trying to get the pain management down to a level I can tolerate." Allen said the coaches don't want him playing in the bowl game against Central Michigan unless he's completely recovered. Allen has said that if he's healthy enough he wants to play in the bowl instead of sitting out to protect himself from further injury before the NFL draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 9 hours ago, hoorta said: Maturity issues, yep, but he's no Manziel, apologized for his on field behavior, something Johnny Football never did. Ummmm... I don't have enough fingers and toes to count all JFF's apologies. 2 hours ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Dilfer has since changed his opinion after being around Rosen this past summer. 2 hours ago, LogicIsForSquares said: http://es.pn/2wUNy9q Good read... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 hour ago, calfoxwc said: who would you rather pull you over for speeding on a rainy night in Georgia? A really respectful policemen with a smile? Or a really smartass, angry tough guy ready to pound you to the ground for nothing because you're out of state, throw you into a cell, have your car towed, and then kick you in the nuts because you didn't yell "YES SIR" loud enough? The cop you just described is a smartass coupled with being bad at his job. I will take smartass AND good at their job. The other guy may be full of smiles and not as qualified. Give me qualified every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 hour ago, calfoxwc said: ... the point is, the qb has no business going into the media and raising hell vs the fans. Very telling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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