jcam222 Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 It's starting to circulate he's expected to join Dorsey and Highsmith in Cleveland. I hope it's true. Our FO is starting to shape up as world class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 But Berry and Depo are still on board. Do we expect them to be aufed? Especially if they sign this guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicopeeJohn Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, The Gipper said: But Berry and Depo are still on board. Do we expect them to be aufed? Especially if they sign this guy? Who cares about an internal feud if the 'football' guys actually turn the team and organization around. It is obvious that Dorsey is, simply, a GM. He does not run the football operations as would a President, etc. However, he's worked with Highsmith and, at least, Wolfe's father, in GB. PS I'd LOVE to see the team sold. LeBron and Company???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 Besides Dad what are Elliot's bona fides? I've been googling, but not finding much. I did find this half-month old, SI article on future GMs. More than the list of names I found the description of the GM role and how it has changed to be interesting. Admittedly most of my interest is in the fact that the the change is very close to what I've been posting for months now... . I've excerpted the opening plus one such paragraph. NFL Future General Managers: Annual List of Who’s Next in Line to Lead Team Personnel https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/12/21/future-general-managers-nick-caserio-eliot-wolf-nfl-notes-mmqb The Chiefs are in first place, and the Panthers have won 10 games. Both are a good bet to make the playoffs for the fourth time in five years, and yet the general managers who were hired at the start of that stretch spent much of this calendar year unemployed. And there’s no doubt John Dorsey and Dave Gettleman put good players on those rosters. So where was the problem? It was the rest of the job. Dorsey’s issue in Kansas City was co-workers felt he freelanced with some calls (paying Eric Fisher; drafting Kevin Hogan) and dragged his feet on others (Eric Berry, Justin Houston contracts), which led to festering office politics. Meanwhile, Gettleman’s blunt, hard-nosed manner with long-time Panther employees and in contract talks created friction for his boss, and ran counter to the organization’s well-established culture. The lesson? Simple. What’s demanded out of the guy occupying the GM’s chair goes well beyond what he can control with the clicker in a dark room. “It can’t just be the meathead football guy,” said an NFC GM. “That doesn’t fly with ownership, it doesn’t fly with community relations, and that’s not how a lot of the younger scouts think. You have to be able to lead in a different way. … We’re doing our draft meetings now, we have ‘kids’ in there, 26, 27, 28 years old, and they’re all very different in how they think.” ... hiring teams will be seeking a personnel boss with this question in mind: Can the guy lead and manage people? “This job, you can’t just watch tape all day,” said another NFC GM. “You have the equipment guy reporting to you, the video guy reporting to you, you’re managing the roster, working with the cap guy, handling the owner. There’s a difference between being a personnel director and being a GM. They’re different jobs. … And I think with Gettleman and Dorsey, it was more, ‘I just wanna watch tape.’” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 12 minutes ago, The Gipper said: But Berry and Depo are still on board. Do we expect them to be aufed? Especially if they sign this guy? Wolfe comes, I suspect one or both are gone. Berry the more likely. 8 minutes ago, ChicopeeJohn said: Who cares about an internal feud if the 'football' guys actually turn the team and organization around. It is obvious that Dorsey is, simply, a GM. He does not run the football operations as would a President, etc. However, he's worked with Highsmith and, at least, Wolfe's father, in GB. PS I'd LOVE to see the team sold. LeBron and Company???? LeBron would need lots of help with a net worth of only $400 million, and I'd bet a lot of that isn't liquid. Les Wexner (The Limited) with $6 billion is one of two Ohioans with the necessary loot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 Did not realize that Elliot lost out to a fellow Packer FO mate... Brian Gutekunst. So the Packers knew both... interviewed both... and hired one. Makes it a little difficult for me to to get excited about "the other guy"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicopeeJohn Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 27 minutes ago, hoorta said: Wolfe comes, I suspect one or both are gone. Berry the more likely. LeBron would need lots of help with a net worth of only $400 million, and I'd bet a lot of that isn't liquid. Les Wexner (The Limited) with $6 billion is one of two Ohioans with the necessary loot. Sure thing, Larry. However, LeBron would be a good local, PR, etc. move. Nothing wrong with him being a minority owner with all that he would bring to the table - maybe simply an image improvement for the organization. PS I just threw out his name. The big hope is that there is a NEW owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 58 minutes ago, hoorta said: Wolfe comes, I suspect one or both are gone. Berry the more likely. LeBron would need lots of help with a net worth of only $400 million, and I'd bet a lot of that isn't liquid. Les Wexner (The Limited) with $6 billion is one of two Ohioans with the necessary loot. Wexner is 80 years old.....so unless he really wanted to buy a play thing for his children...I doubt that he is of an age to want to buy a sports franchise. Plus he is a Columbus guy all the way. He puts his money into Ohio State. mostly. And the sport he prefers is likely politics. He was a backer of Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush. (and I will assume he is a big backer away from DjT). His children though are quite young. He was married at age 55....to a 31 year old woman....and they have 4 kids...the oldest of which is likely only in his mid 20s. Not much info on them...other than it seems they are just beginning to learn the old man's business. I do see that Wexner is also somewhat of a neighbor of Howie and Gareth: In addition to a huge New Albany home, he has an estate in the Cotswolds in England: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11953323/Billionaire-tycoon-behind-Victorias-Secret-keeps-his-multi-million-Cotswolds-estate-away-from-prying-eyes.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 2 hours ago, ChicopeeJohn said: Sure thing, Larry. However, LeBron would be a good local, PR, etc. move. Nothing wrong with him being a minority owner with all that he would bring to the table - maybe simply an image improvement for the organization. PS I just threw out his name. The big hope is that there is a NEW owner. The NFL does have some rules on cross ownership: (Just a refresher: under NFL rules/suggestions, an owner cannot own an NFL team in one city and another pro sports franchise in another NFL city. The league has the rule/suggestion in place because it would not like to have NFL owners competing with each other for sports dollars in the same market.) While this says, in theory, that an NFL owner CAN own another sports franchise in the same town in which he owns his NFL team.....it supposedly says that he cannot own another major league sports franchise in another town with an NFL team. So, example....Bob Kraft and several other owners can and do own MSL teams in the same city. But he supposedly could not own an MSL team in New York. It also allows the Pegulas to own both the Buffalo Bills and the Buffalo Sabres. And note....it also allows Paul Allen to own the NFL team in Seattle....and the NBA team in Portland...because Portland is not an NFL city. In theory, if the NFL were to move to or expand to Portland, Allen would have to divest himself of the Blazers. However, of course...if money is involved....money will control over the rules. E.g. apparently the NFL has bent the rules for Stan Kroenke....who was allowed to own and move the Rams...even though he had some control over teams in Denver. They allowed that family to play games so that they say that his sons are owners of some of those teams...ergo it did not violate the rule. Of course, it is likely a pile of horseshite just for them to get the money they wanted out of LA. https://www.101sports.com/2015/10/08/nfl-gives-kroenke-a-pass-on-cross-ownership/ I guess what I am getting at here is that, if in fact, say, Dan Gilbert wanted to buy the Browns, he could as the other team he owns, the Cavs, play in Cleveland as well. But...Gilbert would be disqualified otherwise due to his ownership of casinos and other gambling interests. While the NFL may play loose with the cross ownership rules....they have been pretty firm on the no gambling interest rules. That is how we ended up getting Haslam involved in the NFL in the first place: Several of the Rooney family had to choose between their ownership interests in the Steelers or their interests in their casinos/race tracks in Florida. The ones that chose their gambling interests has to sell out....and that is how Haslam got a piece of the Steelers...before he decided he wanted a majority interest in a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 23 minutes ago, The Gipper said: The NFL does have some rules on cross ownership: However, of course...if money is involved....money will control over the rules. E.g. apparently the NFL has bent the rules for Stan Kroenke....who was allowed to own and move the Rams...even though he had some control over teams in Denver. They allowed that family to play games so that they say that his sons are owners of some of those teams...ergo it did not violate the rule. Of course, it is likely a pile of horseshite just for them to get the money they wanted out of LA. https://www.101sports.com/2015/10/08/nfl-gives-kroenke-a-pass-on-cross-ownership/ I guess what I am getting at here is that, if in fact, say, Dan Gilbert wanted to buy the Browns, he could as the other team he owns, the Cavs, play in Cleveland as well. But...Gilbert would be disqualified otherwise due to his ownership of casinos and other gambling interests. While the NFL may play loose with the cross ownership rules....they have been pretty firm on the no gambling interest rules. That is how we ended up getting Haslam involved in the NFL in the first place: Several of the Rooney family had to choose between their ownership interests in the Steelers or their interests in their casinos/race tracks in Florida. The ones that chose their gambling interests has to sell out....and that is how Haslam got a piece of the Steelers...before he decided he wanted a majority interest in a team. Don't get me started on slimeball Carpetbagger Kroenke. Not only the Denver thing but the way he shafted St. Louis who had the best offer on the table. The Rams lost? Great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark W Griswold Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 All of his experience is with Green Bay, but they've had a nice run. Hell, if he's half the personnel guy his dad was, he'll be twice what the Browns have had since 1999. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 7 hours ago, ChicopeeJohn said: Sure thing, Larry. However, LeBron would be a good local, PR, etc. move. Nothing wrong with him being a minority owner with all that he would bring to the table - maybe simply an image improvement for the organization. PS I just threw out his name. The big hope is that there is a NEW owner. Remember how happy we were when it was announced Randy Lerner had sold the Browns? Feels like a decade ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted January 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 Cleveland.com is reporting Eliot Wolfe has an interview now scheduled with Dorsey. The assumption is an interview is really not necessary since they worked together 2004 - 2012 and that an offer is in hand. It also mentions Ron Wolf was involved in the recommendation of the Browns hiring of Dorsey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 Do you believe that resumes can accurately tell the whole story, let's hope so here...... ESPN Staff Writer, 10:42 pm .......Eliot Wolf, the highly regarded son of longtime Green Bay Packersgeneral manager Ron Wolf, will interview with the Cleveland Browns this week about a job in the personnel department, according to a league source. Wolf, 35, has worked for the Packers for 14 years, most recently as director of football operations. He was one of four candidates to interview for the Packers general manager job. Mark Murphy chose to promote Brian Gutekunst. Gutekunst said he wanted Wolf to be his right-hand man, but would not stand in the way of Wolf moving to another team. Wolf and Browns GM John Dorsey worked together for years with the Packers. Dorsey has already hired Alonzo Highsmith from the Packers. Wolf’s father Ron was the Packers' GM for years and won a Super Bowl with Mike Holmgren as coach and Brett Favre at quarterback. Eliot Wolf’s jobs in Green Bay also included director of player personnel and director of pro personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBC mike Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 Nice to have football minds in the building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 hours ago, LBC mike said: Nice to have football minds in the building. Really, where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beare Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 interviewing tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 14 hours ago, mjp28 said: Do you believe that resumes can accurately tell the whole story... Son of a GM. Worked in an FO. Passed over for GM of the FO in which he worked. Helluva resume... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 I hope this Wolfe is as good as his brother, Winston. Here is the perfect conversation.....even down to the name of the guy he is addressing: "You're Jimmy (Haslam) Right? I'm (Eliot) Wolf. I solve problems" "Good, we've got one". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 MKC is confirming meeting happened with Eliot Wolfe & Dorsey today..But Wolfe has interview also with new wizards of The Lost Raiders with Gruden & McKenzie in Oakland. GB thinks they are still in mix of Wolfe returning...So how bout some Peter Wolf for now maybe they can still close the deal.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7moses7 Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 Only the live version of this song works gotta have me some Reputa the beauty. Wolfa Goofa with the green teeth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 19 hours ago, jcam222 said: Cleveland.com is reporting Eliot Wolfe has an interview now scheduled with Dorsey. The assumption is an interview is really not necessary since they worked together 2004 - 2012 and that an offer is in hand. It also mentions Ron Wolf was involved in the recommendation of the Browns hiring of Dorsey. he also worked with McKenzie raiders new g.m for 7 years don't be surprised if he ends up there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 On 1/8/2018 at 12:02 PM, The Gipper said: But Berry and Depo are still on board. Do we expect them to be aufed? Especially if they sign this guy? Berry can fetch coffee and De podesta can fetch peanuts and Cracker Jack. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 8 hours ago, Tour2ma said: Son of a GM. Worked in an FO. Passed over for GM of the FO in which he worked. Helluva resume... Plus he started his professional football career at age 21 so maybe he has it truly in his makeup and is still very young to have great upside potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark W Griswold Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 ESPN has reported he's being hired as assistant GM. Nice move for the Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren15 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 Yes hired...assistant GM to Dorsey....will be part of draft process etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 Cool. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/10/browns-hiring-eliot-wolf-as-assistant-g-m/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren15 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 We just need a head coach now Ian RapoportVerified account @RapSheet 4m4 minutes ago More #Browns are hoping for stability on the personnel. GM John Dorsey has a 4-year deal. Assistant GM Eliot Wolf has a 4-year deal. Things should be much calmer this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren15 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 Matt MillerVerified account @nfldraftscout FollowFollow @nfldraftscout More Matt Miller Retweeted Ian Rapoport This is not a joke... Cleveland's front office now rivals Seattle and Indianapolis as the best in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, darren15 said: Matt MillerVerified account @nfldraftscout FollowFollow @nfldraftscout More Matt Miller Retweeted Ian Rapoport This is not a joke... Cleveland's front office now rivals Seattle and Indianapolis as the best in the NFL. Didn't Indy just like fire their GM and HC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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