The games deliver Ghoolie's lessons

[TexasAg1969]

34 minutes ago, Ghoolie said:

he Steelers OL is fine. Playcalling is the problem. I say it over and over, NO FIVE MEN CAN BLOCK 9 IN THE BOX. When you have 4th and a foot, facing 9 in the box, and you call a pitchout, there is no OL who ever lived, that will make that play a success. An OL is only as good as the play calling.

Go back and watch the play. There were not that many in the box and the CB reacted immediately to turn the play back in. There was only one LB and either the sneak or Bell going forward would have gotten the 1 foot. It was stupid both to call and for Big Ben not to overcall.

 

[Flugel]

Pittsburgh scored 42 points - which is usually really good in the post season. Their QB threw 5 TD passes to just 1 INT and threw for 469 yards at a comp% of 63.79, which is the 2nd most in NFL playoff history. Ben Rapen only got sacked twice but the fumble went for TD Jax' offense didn't need to score.  The INT and getting stuffed for a 3 yard loss on 4th and 1 wouldn't have meant that much of Pittsburgh matched that kind of Defense.  They didn't.  That simple... The better offense will be showing up for tee-times next Sunday.

[hoorta]

On 1/15/2018 at 10:59 AM, mjp28 said:

I hate to jump into this pile of do-do but there is a HUGE fact being overlooked by certain individual(s).

The formula for sucess in the NFL (and similarly in other sports) is the right combination of:

Offence, defense, special teams, coaching, FO decisions, injuries and luck to briefly sum it up.

Also to be noted in years and decades past the defenses had more success compared to today in this concussion driven tweaking of the rules and the referees emphasis on safety in calling all aspects of the game this benefits the offenses more than in the past.....and not just in the playoffs. 

Now let's all go out and have a caffeine free, low calorie, GMO free, gluten free, not too hot or cold beverage and chill out. 

 

Always said, I'd rather be lucky than good. You could probably have gotten 1,000:1 odds in Vegas the Vikes weren't going to score a 61 yard TD on the last play with 10 seconds left. As NFL.com researched- it had never happened before in a playoff game. 

Now why can't the Browns ever pull a play like that off? Last playoff game against the Steelers- we're the team that drops a pass that would have put the game away....  

[Ghoolie]

16 hours ago, boo fagley said:

The Vikings defense held the best offense in the NFL to 0 in the first half. The Saints defense fell apart and couldnt hold on for the win. All the DB has to do was tackle Diggs and keep him in bounds. Game over. The Steelers defense couldnt stop  Richard Simmons from getting in the endzone. Steel curtain my axx. The Steelers are a basketball team.

You win the trenches. Draft OL with the number 4 pick and then pick up a DT next.

Look for the best NFL lineman this weekend to make your picks. They will move on the big dance.

Both the Steelers and Pats won their last SBs with walk on OL. Dallas has 5 1st round OL picks and couldn't do Sheet. THe best 5 HOF OL men of ll time, in their prime, would not have helped the Browns get to 1 - 15.

The QB makes the OL, he makes the D, he makes the difference, HENCE..............he makes more money than everyone else.

 

[Ghoolie]

5 minutes ago, hoorta said:

Always said, I'd rather be lucky than good. You could probably have gotten 1,000:1 odds in Vegas the Vikes weren't going to score a 61 yard TD on the last play with 10 seconds left. As NFL.com researched- it had never happened before in a playoff game. 

Now why can't the Browns ever pull a play like that off? Last playoff game against the Steelers- we're the team that drops a pass that would have put the game away....  

Keep drafting Corey Coleman. That's how. Oh yeah, and Zumba girl. Waste draft picks over and over and over...... and THEN.....act surprised when the team goes 1 - 15 and 0 - 16. But hey, at least we have Hue working on the fix.

[Ghoolie]

2 hours ago, Flugel said:

Pittsburgh scored 42 points - which is usually really good in the post season. Their QB threw 5 TD passes to just 1 INT and threw for 469 yards at a comp% of 63.79, which is the 2nd most in NFL playoff history. Ben Rapen only got sacked twice but the fumble went for TD Jax' offense didn't need to score.  The INT and getting stuffed for a 3 yard loss on 4th and 1 wouldn't have meant that much of Pittsburgh matched that kind of Defense.  They didn't.  That simple... The better offense will be showing up for tee-times next Sunday.

Tom.....can you believe they called a pitchout on 4th and the length of Stans peepee? WHo calls plays like that? 9 men in the box, and a pitchout? Parallel to the LOS?

You know I was pro Steelers in this game, as much as that way, but some of this Steeler meltdown was just too funny.

What do you think about Ben? At times he held the ball too long, but then he sure delivered some spectacular passes. I thought last year that he lost his release time, I believe Brady has as well. For whatever reason, defenses don't blitz much any more. I give your buddy Williams props, he made life miserable for opposing QBs. I am on board for another year. If he gets a matching bookend for Two tackle Texas, we keep Collins and he is healthy, and maybe a smash mouth DB, and we are on to something.

Jax has to get after Brady. If they don't they will get shredded. Why do teams not look at what Atlanta did to Brady in the fist half of lst year's SB? Passive passive, passive. It makes football boring.

[TexasAg1969]

12 minutes ago, Ghoolie said:

For whatever reason, defenses don't blitz much any more. I give your buddy Williams props, he made life miserable for opposing QBs. I am on board for another year. If he gets a matching bookend for Two tackle Texas, we keep Collins and he is healthy, and maybe a smash mouth DB, and we are on to something.

I think you're starting to learn something about defense Ghoolie. Careful, it's catching!

[hoorta]

2 hours ago, Ghoolie said:

Keep drafting Corey Coleman. That's how. Oh yeah, and Zumba girl. Waste draft picks over and over and over...... and THEN.....act surprised when the team goes 1 - 15 and 0 - 16. But hey, at least we have Hue working on the fix.

Yeah- I was personally responsible for drafting Coleman- after I was on record I wanted Carson Wentz. Me and Gip were on the Trubisky Train the following year. 

Ha- Zumba Guy? You have China Doll Lynch. Glassman Paxton has started less games (4) in two seasons than Garrett has (9) in one... And Elway is so not impressed with Lynch he's been seen personally scouting every top qb in the 2018 draft. 

[TexasAg1969]

1 hour ago, boo fagley said:

The best NFL OLs and DLs are the final 4 and the elite lineman of the 4 will move on to play in February. This gold nugget of knowledge is my gift to you.

You should coin or copyright some kind of phrase for this, you know, something like oh, say, "Lines Win Football" or something like that.

[nickers]

10 hours ago, hoorta said:

Yeah- I was personally responsible for drafting Coleman- after I was on record I wanted Carson Wentz. Me and Gip were on the Trubisky Train the following year. 

Ha- Zumba Guy? You have China Doll Lynch. Glassman Paxton has started less games (4) in two seasons than Garrett has (9) in one... And Elway is so not impressed with Lynch he's been seen personally scouting every top qb in the 2018 draft. 

I'm sure ol' Paxton will have a nice life selling insurance and making mud pies in his spare time...

[The Gipper]

2 hours ago, boo fagley said:

The Steeler OL is not fine.

Ben was under constant pressure and committed 2 turnovers for 14 points. Ben has been taking a beating for several years because the OL stinks.

You are an idiot if you think that.  They came up against the best Defense in the NFL.   the defense that had the most sacks.  They may have gotten their butt handed to them a bit in this game....but they protected him well enough for BR to throw 5 TDs and for 469 yards. 

I wish you were right...I wish the Steelers OL sucked swamp water....I wish it was so bad that BR was having his arse handed to him every game...but it is not like that.  It is one of the best and best coached OLs in the game.

I hope that their OL coach is enticed to go elsewhere.  He is a former HC...and is, I understand, being interviewed for a couple of HC jobs.  Lets hope he gets one.  

[Gunz41]

17 hours ago, Ghoolie said:

Both the Steelers and Pats won their last SBs with walk on OL. Dallas has 5 1st round OL picks and couldn't do Sheet. THe best 5 HOF OL men of ll time, in their prime, would not have helped the Browns get to 1 - 15.

The QB makes the OL, he makes the D, he makes the difference, HENCE..............he makes more money than everyone else.

 

Don't you even try to be right when you try to make a point? It's quite comical reading your thoughts, especially when you try to make a point over and over and are just wrong. Shows your "knowledge"

But don't just lie to the fine folks on here. Dallas didn't have 5 1st round draft picks on the line. 4 (even though 1 has been a big bust and I think has played for like 50 teams in last couple seasons) but La'el Collins was UNDRAFTED. They also did much better when Smith was in. They didn't do well when their DEFENSE didn't play well.

And you said teams need to draft QB, RB, WR. But then rag on them for drafting a WR. Not saying he was the right pick, but they drafted one of these key positions to you.

Of course offense matters, the same as defense. Teams win by different manners. You have said in the past teams need an elite QB to win, but we're proven wrong there (Trent Dilfer says HI, along with others). 

These final 4 teams must be killing you. Tom Brady was done last year according to you, he then went on to win a Super Bowl. Then you said he wouldn't make another championship game, he is there NOW. Then there is Blake Bortles. A lot of people are WAY down on him. Then in the NFC, you have a backup and a 3rd string QB. 

Hmm, let's see how little defense matters. Eagles scored 15 points and won, and held the reigning MVP and the high powered offense to 10 points. And I guess in Ghoolie world that the reason MINNESOTA won was an excellent play by the offense. It wasn't because of a play that made me sick as a coach watching it, as it showed the complete lack of fundamentals used today. Head down, flying in, and using 1 shoulder is ALL wrong.

Want some stats for the past? Or present on how teams win? They are easy to find. The 2 most decorated QBs of ALL TIME were a 3rd and 6th round picks. 

Guess where the top offenses in the league are playing this weekend? In their back yards with their kids, not on an NFL field. 

And exactly where are the last 2 players you advocated for the Browns to take? One couldn't beat out Trevor Semien, and the other got his coach fired. Either one of them would have gotten the Browns to the Super Bowl right.

When you get some real football knowledge, other than trying to predict things, get a hold of me. Until then, I'll watch teams try to win doing the right thing, play good offense, defense, and special teams.

Enjoy playing Madden and score 50 points

[The Gipper]

Want some stats for the past? Or present on how teams win? They are easy to find. The 2 most decorated QBs of ALL TIME were a 3rd and 6th round picks

Who do you consider the most "decorated" QBs of all time? I will take a guess and say you mean  Tom Brady and Joe Montana.

So...just to help you out with your point, here you go:    Tom Brady  #199 overall pick.  Joe Montana  #82 overall pick.  And here is more fuel for you fire:  another guy that won 5 titles:   #200 overall pick. Mr. Bart Starr. 

But, I will give some counterpoint to your theory:   The QB that won the most Championships....with 7...was Otto Graham...and he was a #4 overall pick (of the Lions in 1944).

And the other QBs who have won 3 or more  titles:

Terry Bradshaw...#1 overall...4 wins

Sid Luckman...#2 overall....4 wins

Troy Aikman....#1 overall....3 wins

John Unitias....#102 overall....3 wins

The other guy that sort of fits is Len Dawson....he won an AFL title, and a Super Bowl...and another AFL title but lost that Super Bowl  he was a #5 overall pick.

 

If you don't go by just titles won...but by how "revered" they are as a QB....  you can also look at:

Peyton Manning  #1 overall

John Elway   #1 overall

Brett Favre   #33 overall

Dan Marino  #27 overall

Drew Brees #32 overall

Plus....others who have throw for over 50K yards in their careers....all 2004 guys:

Eli  #1

Rivers #4

Ben R.  #11.

[The Gipper]

And exactly where are the last 2 players you advocated for the Browns to take? One couldn't beat out Trevor Semien, and the other got his coach fired. Either one of them would have gotten the Browns to the Super Bowl right.

Lynch was the one....who was the other?

[Gunz41]

7 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

And exactly where are the last 2 players you advocated for the Browns to take? One couldn't beat out Trevor Semien, and the other got his coach fired. Either one of them would have gotten the Browns to the Super Bowl right.

Lynch was the one....who was the other?

Trubisky

[The Gipper]

9 minutes ago, Gunz41 said:

Trubisky

I don't think it was Trubisky that got Fox fired. 

[Gunz41]

1 hour ago, The Gipper said:

Want some stats for the past? Or present on how teams win? They are easy to find. The 2 most decorated QBs of ALL TIME were a 3rd and 6th round picks

Who do you consider the most "decorated" QBs of all time? I will take a guess and say you mean  Tom Brady and Joe Montana.

So...just to help you out with your point, here you go:    Tom Brady  #199 overall pick.  Joe Montana  #82 overall pick.  And here is more fuel for you fire:  another guy that won 5 titles:   #200 overall pick. Mr. Bart Starr. 

But, I will give some counterpoint to your theory:   The QB that won the most Championships....with 7...was Otto Graham...and he was a #4 overall pick (of the Lions in 1944).

And the other QBs who have won 3 or more  titles:

Terry Bradshaw...#1 overall...4 wins

Sid Luckman...#2 overall....4 wins

Troy Aikman....#1 overall....3 wins

John Unitias....#102 overall....3 wins

The other guy that sort of fits is Len Dawson....he won an AFL title, and a Super Bowl...and another AFL title but lost that Super Bowl  he was a #5 overall pick.

 

If you don't go by just titles won...but by how "revered" they are as a QB....  you can also look at:

Peyton Manning  #1 overall

John Elway   #1 overall

Brett Favre   #33 overall

Dan Marino  #27 overall

Drew Brees #32 overall

Plus....others who have throw for over 50K yards in their careers....all 2004 guys:

Eli  #1

Rivers #4

Ben R.  #11.

I wasn't saying that 1st rounder can't be successful, but saying they are the only reason is wrong. 

[Gunz41]

1 hour ago, The Gipper said:

I don't think it was Trubisky that got Fox fired. 

I am not saying he for sure was, many factors go into that. My point was he was the ONLY person the Browns should take, and he didn't effect them losing. He wasn't a game changer. The hate he had for Watson, he did change things for the Texans until he got injured. The point was even all this predicting, he wasn't right on them

[Gunz41]

1 hour ago, The Gipper said:

I don't think it was Trubisky that got Fox fired. 

The thing is, I know the game of football and what things are needed to be successful. And I can say the Browns should take this guy or that guy. And I can be totally wrong, for a number of reasons. So for someone who has shown they only care about style points and excitement (no defense, line doesn't matter, etc) and thinks they get everything right is ridiculous. Hmm, I'll give a prediction from my neck of the woods, Virginia Tech will be better than Virginia, or JMU will do good in FCS. It doesn't take a genius to say that the team will struggle. Or to say QB is the most important position. And when you don't have one you will struggle. 

But the guy who proclaims to know everything needs to be called out when he is wrong. Or a few months from now he will still be saying he gets everything right. He still will though, I think he has lied to himself for so long he actually believes it.

[The Gipper]

4 minutes ago, Gunz41 said:

The thing is, I know the game of football and what things are needed to be successful. And I can say the Browns should take this guy or that guy. And I can be totally wrong, for a number of reasons. So for someone who has shown they only care about style points and excitement (no defense, line doesn't matter, etc) and thinks they get everything right is ridiculous. Hmm, I'll give a prediction from my neck of the woods, Virginia Tech will be better than Virginia, or JMU will do good in FCS. It doesn't take a genius to say that the team will struggle. Or to say QB is the most important position. And when you don't have one you will struggle. 

But the guy who proclaims to know everything needs to be called out when he is wrong. Or a few months from now he will still be saying he gets everything right. He still will though, I think he has lied to himself for so long he actually believes it.

Who are you talking about?

[Gunz41]

1 minute ago, The Gipper said:

Who are you talking about?

Who knows EVERYTHING. Not saying anything bad about you Gipper. You seem fine to mean. I dont dislike the Ghool, he is comical, even more so when he is wrong

[The Gipper]

9 minutes ago, Gunz41 said:

Who knows EVERYTHING. Not saying anything bad about you Gipper. You seem fine to mean. I dont dislike the Ghool, he is comical, even more so when he is wrong

Oh, you mean You Know Who....Glommie?

[Gunz41]

5 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Oh, you mean You Know Who....Glommie?

Yes. I take OFFENSE to the SPECIALTY of the DEFENSE of Lynch

[Ghoolie]

2 hours ago, The Gipper said:

Want some stats for the past? Or present on how teams win? They are easy to find. The 2 most decorated QBs of ALL TIME were a 3rd and 6th round picks

Who do you consider the most "decorated" QBs of all time? I will take a guess and say you mean  Tom Brady and Joe Montana.

Terry Bradshaw is every bit as decorated as Montana, AND a far better QB. You saw what happened to Montana when he didn't have DeBartolo to pay off refs. Montana was a phony. He was over rated and played for the mafia. He couldn't hold Bradshaw's sweaty balls. This is why Hollywood, TV AND the NFL seek Bradshaw out and pay him. Montana is doing Viagra commercials.

So...just to help you out with your point, here you go:    Tom Brady  #199 overall pick.  Joe Montana  #82 overall pick.  And here is more fuel for you fire:  another guy that won 5 titles:   #200 overall pick. Mr. Bart Starr. 

But, I will give some counterpoint to your theory:   The QB that won the most Championships....with 7...was Otto Graham...and he was a #4 overall pick (of the Lions in 1944).

And the other QBs who have won 3 or more  titles:

Terry Bradshaw...#1 overall...4 wins

Sid Luckman...#2 overall....4 wins

Troy Aikman....#1 overall....3 wins

John Unitias....#102 overall....3 wins

The other guy that sort of fits is Len Dawson....he won an AFL title, and a Super Bowl...and another AFL title but lost that Super Bowl  he was a #5 overall pick.

 

If you don't go by just titles won...but by how "revered" they are as a QB....  you can also look at:

Peyton Manning  #1 overall

John Elway   #1 overall

Brett Favre   #33 overall

Dan Marino  #27 overall

Drew Brees #32 overall

Plus....others who have throw for over 50K yards in their careers....all 2004 guys:

Eli  #1

Rivers #4

Ben R.  #11.

Otto Graham never won an NFL championship. Never. Not one that stands up to the teams of today. I m sure you can dig up some caveman who won  The Fred Flintstone Bowl championship 8 times while wearing a Brontosaurus egg on his head. Stone Age championships mean nothing. The modern era of football started with the SB. 

[Gunz41]

5 minutes ago, Ghoolie said:

Otto Graham never won an NFL championship. Never. Not one that stands up to the teams of today. I m sure you can dig up some caveman who won  The Fred Flintstone Bowl championship 8 times while wearing a Brontosaurus egg on his head. Stone Age championships mean nothing. The modern era of football started with the SB. 

Not one that stands up to the teams of today? Well Namath and the Jets or the undefeated Dolphins team wouldn't stand up to the teams today. Players are bigger, stronger, faster and the athleticism from yesteryear just couldn't stand up today. So what's your point? 

You certainly aren't helping your case

[The Gipper]

Who do you consider the most "decorated" QBs of all time? I will take a guess and say you mean  Tom Brady and Joe Montana.

Terry Bradshaw is every bit as decorated as Montana, AND a far better QB. You saw what happened to Montana when he didn't have DeBartolo to pay off refs. Montana was a phony. He was over rated and played for the mafia. He couldn't hold Bradshaw's sweaty balls. This is why Hollywood, TV AND the NFL seek Bradshaw out and pay him. Montana is doing Viagra commercials.

I was trying to interpret what the OP said.....since he was talking about a 3rd and 6th round pick.

Otto Graham never won an NFL championship. Never. Not one that stands up to the teams of today. I m sure you can dig up some caveman who won  The Fred Flintstone Bowl championship 8 times while wearing a Brontosaurus egg on his head. Stone Age championships mean nothing. The modern era of football started with the SB. 

This is just ignorant Troglodyte, Steeler Socksuck horseshite.  Why do you continue to be such a boorish ignoramus?

Terry Branshaw couldn't hold Otto Graham's sweaty balls.  But, Bradshaw was a great QB but now is an ENTERTAINER...I mean...he is hanging out with William Shatner and Henry Winkler. He is entertaining...that is why Hollywood gives him work.

[Flugel]

On 1/16/2018 at 9:03 PM, Ghoolie said:

Tom.....can you believe they called a pitchout on 4th and the length of Stans peepee? WHo calls plays like that? 9 men in the box, and a pitchout? Parallel to the LOS?

 

Well said.  Even worse, Pitt pulled 1 or 2 linemen that bellied back instead of staying tight to the line of scrimmage (because the right side of their line got pushed back); which caused the RB to belly back as well.  You do that to a loaded box with fast LBers and they're going to swarm in right off/behind the fannies of the pulling linemen. This completely closed off any chance for Bell to cut back while the defense pursued, clamped and closed.  Couldn't have been any easier for Jax. 

It would be fun to see Jax win this whole thing.  I don't know if they're balanced enough; but they have LBers and a secondary that matches up well with NE's strengths. Plus they can put heat on the passer and run the ball.   Looking forward to this week's games.

 

 

[boo fagley]

On 1/17/2018 at 10:41 AM, The Gipper said:

You are an idiot if you think that.  They came up against the best Defense in the NFL.   the defense that had the most sacks.  They may have gotten their butt handed to them a bit in this game....but they protected him well enough for BR to throw 5 TDs and for 469 yards. 

I wish you were right...I wish the Steelers OL sucked swamp water....I wish it was so bad that BR was having his arse handed to him every game...but it is not like that.  It is one of the best and best coached OLs in the game.

I hope that their OL coach is enticed to go elsewhere.  He is a former HC...and is, I understand, being interviewed for a couple of HC jobs.  Lets hope he gets one.  

I dont think, I know that youre an idiot.

The Steelers OL and DL used to be one of the best in the NFL and could go toe to  toe with any team. Against Jax, Ben threw hail marys and his WRs came down with the ball. The OL is not fine and Pitt has been winning nail biters all season.

The Steelers are not a dominate team in the trenches anymore. They are a soccer team.

[syd]

1 hour ago, boo fagley said:

I dont think, I know that youre an idiot.

The Steelers OL and DL used to be one of the best in the NFL and could go toe to  toe with any team.

one word there fagley  one word

STEROIDS

[boo fagley]

39 minutes ago, syd said:

one word there fagley  one word

STEROIDS

Damn straight Syd Viscous.

Pitt ripped off 4 championships like nothing before the hammer came down.