Freedom of the Press

[TexasAg1969]

Listening to Flake combined with this McCain Op-Ed Should wake you all up. Venezuelan democracy was torn apart in exactly the way our Dear Leader has been attempting to do for the last couple of years. You want to lose this democracy, then just keep siding with this lying fraud.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mr-president-stop-attacking-the-press/2018/01/16/9438c0ac-faf0-11e7-a46b-a3614530bd87_story.html?utm_term=.ff3057b78181

[OldBrownsFan]

23 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said:

Listening to Flake combined with this McCain Op-Ed Should wake you all up. Venezuelan democracy was torn apart in exactly the way our Dear Leader has been attempting to do for the last couple of years. You want to lose this democracy, then just keep siding with this lying fraud.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mr-president-stop-attacking-the-press/2018/01/16/9438c0ac-faf0-11e7-a46b-a3614530bd87_story.html?utm_term=.ff3057b78181

I disagree Tex. I honestly believe the socialist policies of the democrats is the surest way to bring about the poverty and misery we see in Venezuela. We are seeing almost immediately huge dividends from the Trump tax cuts with employees getting bonuses, businesses prospering and the stock market breaking records. With 90 percent of the media coverage negative against Trump even former democrat president Jimmy Carter said he has never seen anything like the negative coverage against Trump. An honest press and media would go a long way to helping democracy but too much of the media today is not neutral but biased. We have dishonest journalism rampent today. Many times it is not what is reported but what is being left out.

[TexasAg1969]

I will post Republican Jeff Flake's speech once it is on video. These criticisms are coming from the same side of the aisle, not the Democrats. If you are not afraid to listen and read what they say, then you might just review your beliefs and see the "truth" through fresh eyes. It is easy to just pass this off because you think it's the "media". It's another to pass it off despite it coming from Republicans themselves in their own words without media bias. Don't listen to what the press says, just listen to what people in his own party are saying. People who see that he is tearing apart the fabric of this democracy for his own egocentric needs.

[TexasAg1969]

Flake's Speech

https://www.ydr.com/story/news/politics/2018/01/17/senator-jeff-flake-delivers-major-speech-freedom-press/1039810001/

[OldBrownsFan]

11 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said:

I will post Republican Jeff Flake's speech once it is on video. These criticisms are coming from the same side of the aisle, not the Democrats. If you are not afraid to listen and read what they say, then you might just review your beliefs and see the "truth" through fresh eyes. It is easy to just pass this off because you think it's the "media". It's another to pass it off despite it coming from Republicans themselves in their own words without media bias. Don't listen to what the press says, just listen to what people in his own party are saying. People who see that he is tearing apart the fabric of this democracy for his own egocentric needs.

I was a Cruz supporter and would have liked to have seen him win in 16 but I think Trump has done some good things on policy and I have never regretted voting for him over Hillary Clinton. Some of my dislikes of Trump I saw the same thing with Obama as I think both are narcissists and both can be petty and vindictive. On policy though I have been happy with Trump.

[MLD Woody]

Trump told me about you. He said not to listen. Fake news! Fake news! Fake news!

I read a post by a guy on Facebook that proves I'm right.

 

 

 

 

And that's where we are now. 

[OldBrownsFan]

12 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

Trump told me about you. He said not to listen. Fake news! Fake news! Fake news!

I read a post by a guy on Facebook that proves I'm right.

 

 

 

 

And that's where we are now. 

Fake news isn't a term I would use. I would go with biased corrupted news and I would be pretty well spot on with the media today.

[MLD Woody]

Which for a lot of people is just becoming any news that disagrees with their political agenda

[calfoxwc]

so much bs. Venezuela fell apart because:

they went the way of liberal "democrats"....

socialist. They thought the oil revenues would fund a socialist society.

It fell apart. and the dictator was ruthless in the failure.

http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/how-venezuela-fell-apart/

Read carefully, and you see the path we were on, was obaMao/venzuela.

entitlement promises that could not be sustained.

political tolerance went by the wayside - there is the left AGAIN. there is clinton/obaMao/deep state AGAIN

It mentions a gov owned and controlled Supreme Court. - there is the left again - activist left-owned judges ignoring our Constitution

Flake is a wanabe deep state leftist - he is part of the problem

Venzuela was ruined by socialist democrats who who got control of intel agencies/supreme court/the military, and industries...

and that is exactly where obaMao was trying to take us. He put his corrupt sombeitches in places of power, and the left controlled them. FBI/CIA/State Dept/DOJ/ and they did nearly anything they wanted to keep permanent control. But Trump and Real America foiled that and it is being dismantled, and found out by investigations.

 

 

[calfoxwc]

IOW's, the corrupt left got Congress and the presidency, and we went with it.

but now we have Congress and the presidency, and the left is trying every dirty trick in the book,

frantically trying to stop us, stop Trump, from doing it the Real American way.

The left is venezuela now.

[TexasAg1969]

2 minutes ago, calfoxwc said:

so much bs. Venezuela fell apart because:

they went the way of liberal "democrats"....

socialist. They thought the oil revenues would fund a socialist society.

It fell apart. and the dictator was ruthless in the failure.

http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/how-venezuela-fell-apart/

Read carefully, and you see the path we were on, was obaMao/venzuela.

entitlement promises that could not be sustained.

political tolerance went by the wayside - there is the left AGAIN. there is clinton/obaMao/deep state AGAIN

It mentions a gov owned and controlled Supreme Court. - there is the left again - activist left-owned judges ignoring our Constitution

Flake is a wanabe deep state leftist - he is part of the problem

Venzuela was ruined by socialist democrats who who got control of intel agencies/supreme court/the military, and industries...

and that is exactly where obaMao was trying to take us. He put his corrupt sombeitches in places of power, and the left controlled them. FBI/CIA/State Dept/DOJ/ and they did nearly anything they wanted to keep permanent control. But Trump and Real America foiled that and it is being dismantled, and found out by investigations.

 

 

However you have ignored the fact that Chavez first tore up the free press and then tore up the constitution to get himself reelected (not allowed in their original constitution) and then elected again without limits in rigged elections. Without a free press he locked up his opponents if they did not escape through exile. He locked up and censored TV, radio and newspaper owner/operators until he had absolute control of the information going before the people. It does not matter to me what the politics are behind the tyrant, what matters is whether they are far left or far right the first thing they do is get rid of opposition and criticism. Going after the press is always the first step. Like it or not Hitler did exactly the same thing and had enough good people keep their heads buried in the sand to eventually become the despot he was. Same with communist Stalin, his polar opposite politically.

A fool and his democracy are soon separated. They always buy someone else's bill of goods first. That is what you have bought and nothing more.

[OldBrownsFan]

10 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said:

However you have ignored the fact that Chavez first tore up the free press and then tore up the constitution to get himself reelected (not allowed in their original constitution) and then elected again without limits in rigged elections. Without a free press he locked up his opponents if they did not escape through exile. He locked up and censored TV, radio and newspaper owner/operators until he had absolute control of the information going before the people. It does not matter to me what the politics are behind the tyrant, what matters is whether they are far left or far right the first thing they do is get rid of opposition and criticism. Going after the press is always the first step. Like it or not Hitler did exactly the same thing and had enough good people keep their heads buried in the sand to eventually become the despot he was. Same with communist Stalin, his polar opposite politically.

A fool and his democracy are soon separated. They always buy someone else's bill of goods first. That is what you have bought and nothing more.

The press deserves to be called out for their liberal bias. Much of the mainstream media should be getting a paycheck from the democrats as they carry their water for them. That kind of advocacy journalism and cheerleading for one party is not good for a democracy either. Trump like any other president is constrained by the constitution and he does not have any authority to close or censor the media. Mocking and criticizing the media by Trump has probably resulted in even more unfavorable and biased coverage for Trump and not in shutting anything down.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

Comparing Trump to Chavez is crazy.

[calfoxwc]

2 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

However you have ignored the fact that Chavez first tore up the free press and then tore up the constitution to get himself reelected (not allowed in their original constitution) and then elected again without limits in rigged elections. Without a free press he locked up his opponents if they did not escape through exile. He locked up and censored TV, radio and newspaper owner/operators until he had absolute control of the information going before the people. It does not matter to me what the politics are behind the tyrant, what matters is whether they are far left or far right the first thing they do is get rid of opposition and criticism. Going after the press is always the first step. Like it or not Hitler did exactly the same thing and had enough good people keep their heads buried in the sand to eventually become the despot he was. Same with communist Stalin, his polar opposite politically.

A fool and his democracy are soon separated. They always buy someone else's bill of goods first. That is what you have bought and nothing more.

However, you have ignored the fact that obamao had little respect for our Constitution. We can post at least one major quote to that.

It's obamao who put activist judges in place that ignore the Constitution at the left's whim. Right now, it's obamao and the left who control the vast majority of the msm. We don't have a free press across the board - so much of it is owned by the radical left - soros, leftist big corps. Now, obamao is dissing the free press - Fox News. It's one they do NOT control. Hitler, castro, mussolini, stalin, putin,

Mao, obaMao - those are the ones who seek to control industry, health care, our legal system, our intel services (kgb style)...

and tried to force open our borders. NOTE: democracy in Venezuela was brought down by  cloward-piven - burdening a free society with entitlements and expenditures that cannot be sustained, and then let it crash, so the left can take over and dominate forever.

    That was obamao. that is why the UN's mmgw. that is why taking over health care, promising everybody who wants it a free ride...

etc etc etc etc.

     Then there is gun control.

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/venezuela-confiscates-guns-arms-socialist-regime/

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/365103/how-nazis-used-gun-control-stephen-p-halbrook

Gun politics in the Soviet Union (Right to Bear Arms) | Alternative ...

althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_Soviet_Union_(Right_to_Bear_Arms)

 

However, during the rule of Joseph Stalin, he enacted a strict gun control system, especially in the Ukrainian SSR. During the first ... Military-style firearms are rarely allowed to civilians, with the exception of law enforcement, military or retired individuals with past careers and experience in those two groups. It is up the gun .

https://freedomoutpost.com/gun-control-dictator-style-tyrants-who-banned-firearms-before-slaughtering-the-people/

now, we come to the left in America. They want to take our guns. ObaMao/dirty holder... "Fast and Furious"

they blamed American gun owners for violence in Mexico.

then they ran fast and furious to make it look like they had to get their way with gun control.

 

[TexasAg1969]

I see the Trumpettes are once again ignoring the point of the post. The Republicans in Congress are saying all these things and you keep your heads buried from the truth of what they are saying. This man is a liar who cannot be trusted with this democracy. He has systematically worked at dismantling every foundation upon which it stands starting with the 1st amendment. All the arguments you have placed on here have not addressed either what Flake said or what McCain wrote. And now even the Senate Rep. leader has had enough with this jackass. They can't even come up with solutions because he can't be trusted to keep his word from one moment to the next. He tells them to present a compromise plan which he will sign and then when they bring it to him he goes back on his word.

All I see from any of you are side issues that have nothing to do with telling me what you actually think about the issues raised by McCain and Flake concerning Trump's assault on freedom of speech. What do you actually think about what they said? I knew cal could be counted on to go off in the usual obamau crapola that has nothing to do with now. But what do you actually think about Freedom of Speech and whether he presents a danger to it or not as they contend?

[DieHardBrownsFan]

Flake is anti Trump.  Has been from the get go, McCain also.  So I take anything they say with a grain of salt.  They are part of the Swamp.  And both will be leaving.  MAGA!

[TexasAg1969]

2 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

Flake is anti Trump.  Has been from the get go, McCain also.  So I take anything they say with a grain of salt.  They are part of the Swamp.  And both will be leaving.  MAGA!

That's all you think? So ignore the message because of the source, but don't think at all about whether there is any truth within the message? I want to know what you think, not who you don't like. Those are two different things.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

take something with a grain of salt

to understand that something is likely to be untrue or incorrect:

I’ve seen the article, which I take with a grain of salt.

[TexasAg1969]

More information with some actual history in it.

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/562246/how-democracies-die-by-steven-levitsky-and-daniel-ziblatt/9781524762933/

[TexasAg1969]

2 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

take something with a grain of salt

to understand that something is likely to be untrue or incorrect:

I’ve seen the article, which I take with a grain of sand.

• FIFY
• 

[calfoxwc]

3 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

I see the Trumpettes are once again ignoring the point of the post. The Republicans in Congress are saying all these things and you keep your heads buried from the truth of what they are saying. This man is a liar who cannot be trusted with this democracy. He has systematically worked at dismantling every foundation upon which it stands starting with the 1st amendment. All the arguments you have placed on here have not addressed either what Flake said or what McCain wrote. And now even the Senate Rep. leader has had enough with this jackass. They can't even come up with solutions because he can't be trusted to keep his word from one moment to the next. He tells them to present a compromise plan which he will sign and then when they bring it to him he goes back on his word.

All I see from any of you are side issues that have nothing to do with telling me what you actually think about the issues raised by McCain and Flake concerning Trump's assault on freedom of speech. What do you actually think about what they said? I knew cal could be counted on to go off in the usual obamau crapola that has nothing to do with now. But what do you actually think about Freedom of Speech and whether he presents a danger to it or not as they contend?

    "There you go again". Nitwilly wannabe democrats McCain and Flake are not "all republicans". That is a knee jerk emotional response, but not valid at all. He is keeping all his promises so far - some still to come. It's only one year. Get real for a sec !

   There isn't any "undermining foundations" LOL LOL LOL. Your ObaMao undermined out supreme court, the Institution of marriage in Real America, our Constitution, honest elections, our border secrurity, beyond reproach DOJ and FBI, and CIA...... When Trump speaks out against the pro-leftist media, he isn't bashing free speech. Your leftist media is what is destroying free speech. They will dishonestly malign anyone who freely speaks against the leftist deep state.

    You grab onto mccain and flake like you grab onto pelosi and reid. they are dishonest, corrupt players. 

This is like your Trump mentally and physically sick thing. all nonsense. no workee.

It's the pro-leftist

[calfoxwc]

" Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt "

harvard.

obamao

clintons

LOL LOL LOL.

Off base, you are. But have a nice day reading this article:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/19/anti-trump-left-threat-american-democracy/

Anti-Trump left a threat to American democracy

 

What the op-ed conveniently turns a blind-eye to is the left’s behavior since the election — and how they’ve been focused on delegitimizing our free and fair contest, because they lost.

On Sunday, Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman refused to say whether the election was “free and fair.”

The anti-Trump’s harassment against the states’ electors is also undermining our democracy.

Today, the Electoral College will meet, and Mr. Trump will formally win the presidency — but that doesn’t come without death threats, thousands of harassing emails, and for some electors, police protection, because the left is trying to coerce them into switching their vote.

Mr. Trump was 100 percent correct when he tweeted on Sunday: “If my many supporters acted and threatened people like those who lost the election are doing, they would be scorned & called terrible names!”

The mainstream media has largely downplayed the threats, and at times, has even given legitimacy to the effort. President Obama and Mrs. Clinton have not condemned the effort or told their supporters to stand down. The Department of Justice is sitting on the sidelines as threatening cases have been documented.

It’s hypocrisy at its finest.

Four electors told The Arizona Republic they’ve been hit with thousands of emails, phone calls and letters sent to their work and homes. Bruce Ash, Arizona’s GOP national committeeman, told the Arizona Republic the emails, “demonize me, they call me a homophobic, an isolationist, a bigot, a misogynist, and an anti-Semite, which is interesting because I’m Jewish.”

Mr. Ash added, “They are hateful. And for a couple of days I answered them by thanking them and then explaining to them that I felt I had an obligation to the majority of the voters in Arizona who voted for him … and honoring their vote.”

Pennsylvania’s electors are getting police protection because of the harassment.

According to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, “Thousands of emails land in [the electors] inboxes every day. Copies of the Federalist Papers and other books urging political courage are being mailed to their homes. They are even getting phone calls in the middle of the night.”

Elector Ash Khare, who estimates he receives 3,000 to 5,000 emails, letters, and phone calls a day from as far away as France, Germany, and Australia, told the paper: “I’m a big boy. But this is stupid. Nobody is standing up and telling these people, ‘Enough, knock it off.’”

And a Michigan elector has received a death threat, if he didn’t switch his vote.

Elector Michael Banerian told the Detroit News of the anti-Trump left: “You have people saying ‘you’re a hateful bigot, I hope you die.’ I’ve had people talk about shoving a gun in my mouth and blowing my brains out. And I’ve received dozens and dozens of those emails. Even the non-threatening-my-life emails are very aggressive.”

It is the left who are not accepting the election results. It is the left who is encouraging violence and undermining our institutions, by not condemning the harassment of the electors. It is the anti-Trump left that refuses to say if our election was free and fair because Russia may have leaked a few emails.

Yet, they still have the gall to call Mr. Trump anti-democratic. They need to take a cold, hard look in the mirror.

[Canton Dawg]

17 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

Comparing Trump to Chavez is crazy.

Right?

Trump is a capitalist, Chavez was a communist.

[Canton Dawg]

1 hour ago, TexasAg1969 said:

More information with some actual history in it.

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/562246/how-democracies-die-by-steven-levitsky-and-daniel-ziblatt/9781524762933/

Isn't North Korea a democracy??

[DieHardBrownsFan]

Here's the author bio.  All you need to know:

 

Steven Levitsky

Steven Levitsky is an American political scientist and Professor of Government at Harvard University. Wikipedia

 

Born: January 17, 1968 (age 50)

Education: University of California, Berkeley, Stanford University

Known for: Illiberal democracy, Institution

Academic advisor: David Collier

[Westside Steve]

Jeff Flake learned at the hand of John McCain that if a Republican goes Rogue and attacks the president of his own party the left eats it up. He will be the darling of MSNBC and the mainstream left-wing media. 

Hopefully Joe Arpaio will take his seat. but like McCain oh, if he ever got the nomination the Democrats would hate him like the Mongoose hates the cobra and all this butt kissing will be forgotten.

WSS

[calfoxwc]

[calfoxwc]

[DieHardBrownsFan]

[DieHardBrownsFan]