darren15 Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 Anybody expect us to make any major cuts before the draft and after FA ...there are some rumors of Danny Shelton being on the trade block..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisville Slugger Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 I could see Shelton getting moved. He has value as a run stopper but gregg Williams likes guys that get to the QB. Not to mention we have cheaper guys that have a lot of potential in Coley, Ogunjobi, and Brantley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 Well....there could be that potential trade for Alex Smith that has been much contemplated here. As for cuts.......just remember the pattern of operation in the NFL: A new GM comes in and usually he wants and prefers "his guys". Now, how many of Sashi's draft picks, UDFA pickups etc. were kept over veteran players on this team (or even some who only had a year or two here). GMs usually want their guys. Of course...that also usually applies to the HC...but we know the dynamic here about that. (though...does anyone here not expect to play out where Hue fuyucks up....and Dorsey gets his guy in here anyway?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 I could see that. QUESTION: "IF" the BROWNS get A. Smith do they still take a first round quarterback -or- go for the best talent available? With their young defensive players now and a good draft they could really have something......soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 47 minutes ago, mjp28 said: I could see that. QUESTION: "IF" the BROWNS get A. Smith do they still take a first round quarterback -or- go for the best talent available? With their young defensive players now and a good draft they could really have something......soon. They absolutely will draft a QB high even with Smith on board. MHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 12 minutes ago, hoorta said: They absolutely will draft a QB high even with Smith on board. MHO. With Smith, I think it's still a QB, maybe even Cal's boyfriend Allen. I think if we somehow sign Cousins who is only 29, passing on a QB is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 22 minutes ago, Mark O said: With Smith, I think it's still a QB, maybe even Cal's boyfriend Allen. I think if we somehow sign Cousins who is only 29, passing on a QB is possible. With the reports on him....I can see him dropping below all the others, making him possibly even...at best, second round material. DeShone Kizer territory. Do we need another DeShone? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 minute ago, The Gipper said: With the reports on him....I can see him dropping below all the others, making him possibly even...at best, second round material. DeShone Kizer territory. Do we need another DeShone? No. No we don't. We already have one inaccurate QB who is a great athlete. No need for a second one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 Shelton could be the addition trade card that Dorsey plays in A.Smith trade? Both would play in last year of contract $ number.Not sure how Shelton's 5th year option would work if any? KC plays a 3-4 D..TY McGill was just signed by KC as a future reserve..Chiefs suffer against the run by trading there best DT to Atlanta D. Poe. While KC has been rebuilding the DT position back with 3 guys on depth chart that were all UDFA's, that were on several different teams on PS..Here might be a issue? Danny's got back up to 339lbs..but as we seen before,Danny can get back down to KC's DT weight of 310-300lbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 I am a big fan of Shelton, but you have to give something to get something & with KC running a 3-4 D & our DL depth, I can see the possibility of him being a piece in a trade for Smith. Time will tell, but I am so much more confident with our current FO doing the drafting & trading that I have no problem just watching these guys operate. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 if they trade Shelton it would leave 1.7 million in dead money and they would have to pay 2 million I believe that is correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren15 Posted January 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 What about a 4th rounder for Kizer ? http://www.barkinghard.com/forums/showthread.php?243276-A-trade-market-for-DeShone-Kizer&p=561548#post561548 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisville Slugger Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 Wouldn't it be somewhat expensive to move him? Those early round rookie contract tend to be almost all garuntees. I think we are better off keeping him. He has tools size, durability, athleticism, arm strength, and seems like a really good kid. He may never develop but if he does I would hate to have traded him away for nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 29 minutes ago, Louisville Slugger said: Wouldn't it be somewhat expensive to move him? Those early round rookie contract tend to be almost all garuntees. I think we are better off keeping him. He has tools size, durability, athleticism, arm strength, and seems like a really good kid. He may never develop but if he does I would hate to have traded him away for nothing 3 hours ago, syd said: if they trade Shelton it would leave 1.7 million in dead money and they would have to pay 2 million I believe that is correct there u go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 47 minutes ago, Louisville Slugger said: Wouldn't it be somewhat expensive to move him? Those early round rookie contract tend to be almost all garuntees. I think we are better off keeping him. He has tools size, durability, athleticism, arm strength, and seems like a really good kid. He may never develop but if he does I would hate to have traded him away for nothing Nah- if you trade someone, the contract goes along with the player to the team making the trade. It's why the Browns essentially got a second round pick from the Texans for taking Osweiler (and his $19? million) contract off their hands.... "Dead money" only comes into play if you cut a player. 99% sure Kizer will still be on the roster this year. As a second round pick he's only due a little over $1 million- that's about in the range of 3rd string quarterback money- which is what I expect Deshone to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 hours ago, syd said: if they trade Shelton it would leave 1.7 million in dead money and they would have to pay 2 million I believe that is correct I believe that would only happen if the Browns agreed to pay off his contract in a trade- which wouldn't happen, unless the target is the Chiefs, and they use that carrot as a deal sweetener to get Smith. KC gets a year of Danny- for free. The other side of the coin is the primary reason (& thinking) the Chiefs may be willing to trade Alex Smith (I would hope to the Browns) His $20 million salary- and cap hit goes bye-bye along with Alex. KC has to figure out a way to clear the $8 million they're currently over the cap on- and trading Smith is the low hanging fruit and quick solution to solve that problem. They might try to restructure Smith's contract if they think he's a valuable enough part of the team- and they don't think Mahomes is ready to take over yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 then adding a draft pick would be prudent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 10 minutes ago, syd said: then adding a draft pick would be prudent Especially since the Chiefs are minus their first round pick in April, because of trading up to get Mahomes. It's just a question of how high the bidding will get for Smith. KC fans have deluded sugar plums dancing in their heads they can extract a first round pick for Smith. Because a very desperate Vikings team gave the Eagles one for Sam Bradford. I can't see the same level of league wide desperation this year- and the Chiefs will have to unload Smith before June when his contract is guaranteed. If I'm the Browns I start with our top of the third round pick. The pick we got from the Texans in the second round is as high as I'd go, and I might ask for another player KC deems expendable on top of Smith at that price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 4 hours ago, hoorta said: If I'm the Browns I start with our top of the third round pick. The pick we got from the Texans in the second round is as high as I'd go, and I might ask for another player KC deems expendable on top of Smith at that price. Yeah, but would you meet the deadline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 8 hours ago, hoorta said: Especially since the Chiefs are minus their first round pick in April, because of trading up to get Mahomes. It's just a question of how high the bidding will get for Smith. KC fans have deluded sugar plums dancing in their heads they can extract a first round pick for Smith. Because a very desperate Vikings team gave the Eagles one for Sam Bradford. I can't see the same level of league wide desperation this year- and the Chiefs will have to unload Smith before June when his contract is guaranteed. If I'm the Browns I start with our top of the third round pick. The pick we got from the Texans in the second round is as high as I'd go, and I might ask for another player KC deems expendable on top of Smith at that price. And we could have Bradford for nothing but the cost of his contract, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 Why would we trade Shelton? That would suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Gipper said: And we could have Bradford for nothing but the cost of his contract, no? Could have any of the Minnesota QB's for whatever we can sign them. They are all free agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 46 minutes ago, Mark O said: Could have any of the Minnesota QB's for whatever we can sign them. They are all free agents. Do you want any? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 50 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Do you want any? I'd take a look at Bradford and see what he costs. Go with Bradford/rookie/Kizer as the QB room next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 11 hours ago, hoorta said: Especially since the Chiefs are minus their first round pick in April, because of trading up to get Mahomes. It's just a question of how high the bidding will get for Smith. KC fans have deluded sugar plums dancing in their heads they can extract a first round pick for Smith. Because a very desperate Vikings team gave the Eagles one for Sam Bradford. I can't see the same level of league wide desperation this year- and the Chiefs will have to unload Smith before June when his contract is guaranteed. If I'm the Browns I start with our top of the third round pick. The pick we got from the Texans in the second round is as high as I'd go, and I might ask for another player KC deems expendable on top of Smith at that price. i have no idea what there cap situation is But maybe they could dump some salary on us ala b. o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 I could see Shelton being the "package" we trade KC for Alex. 11 hours ago, hoorta said: It's just a question of how high the bidding will get for Smith. KC fans have deluded sugar plums dancing in their heads they can extract a first round pick for Smith. Because a very desperate Vikings team gave the Eagles one for Sam Bradford. I can't see the same level of league wide desperation this year- and the Chiefs will have to unload Smith before June when his contract is guaranteed. Agree... the price the Vikes paid for Bradford was dictated by very special circumstances foremost of which was the timing of Bridgewater's injury. Now? It's not even the off-season yet and teams know there are 6 QBs hitting FA and a much better than average Draft Class around the corner. 1 hour ago, Mark O said: Go with Bradford/rookie/Kizer as the QB room next year. I've seen worse QB rooms, but if you are really determined to bring your rookie along slowly, then you can't bank on Bradford. Edit: Of the three Vike FAs I'd go with Keenum as my bridge, but I expect MN will try hard to retain him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 57 minutes ago, syd said: i have no idea what there cap situation is But maybe they could dump some salary on us ala b. o I posted this once in another thread, in regards to what teams might potentially be active in getting Cousins- and his certain to be mega-contract- in FA, in relation to their cap space. (As to QB needy teams being able to afford Kirk, the Browns are far and away the leader in the clubhouse, followed by the Bills and Broncos.) The Chiefs somehow have to get rid of $8 million in contracts- and that's before they can even sign any of their draft picks. Also the reason if we traded Sheldon as part of a trade for Alex Smith we'd have to eat a large part- if not all of Danny's $3 million contract. KC needs to dump salary in a big way. https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Tour2ma said: 1) I could see Shelton being the "package" we trade KC for Alex. 2) Edit: Of the three Vike FAs I'd go with Keenum as my bridge, but I expect MN will try hard to retain him. 1) As I just opined Tour- that only happens if we eat the final year of Danny's contract... 2) MHO is the Vikes will try and retain Keenum and Teddy- and let Glassman Bradford walk. Sam's an OK QB when he's healthy- which is almost never- a good reason for the Browns to steer clear if we want a reliable bridge QB. (LOL, we could stick Kizer back in to lose more games when Sam gets hurt again) PS- on totally unrelated topics- my wife says I'm good at that- I just noticed Keenum has all of a 1\2" on Mayfield in the height department. My two takeaways from the Senior Bowl that I didn't realize- Mayrock (damn auto correct) played in the NFL, and Andrew Siciliano is a relative midget. He claimed 5'3"- I think he's padding his stats- standing next to 6'4" Mason Rudolph he didn't even come up to the top of Mason's shoulders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, hoorta said: As I just opined Tour- that only happens if we eat the final year of Danny's contract... Why? That trade would instantly clear $17.5mm in cap space for KC... more than enough to cover their diminished draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Why? That trade would instantly clear $17.5mm in cap space for KC... more than enough to cover their diminished draft. OK, I suppose you're right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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