Tour2ma Posted January 25, 2018 Report Posted January 25, 2018 Thoughts through the first two days of practice. Seems weird that the organizers loaded up the Denver coached North Team with QBs so the Bronco Staff could get a close look at them. Outside of the QB group this year's roster feels less talented than last year's. Outside of QBs the strength of the the rosters seems to be in the interior OL and DL. Should see some real battles here. Edge rushers seem to have a significant edge over their OT opposites. Ditto for WR over DBs Little feel as yet for the RBs and LBs in attendance. Players who look to be making money this week: RB WR: Michael Gallop (Col St.); Justin Watson (Penn) TE OT OG: Will Hernandez (UTEP); OC: Isaiah Wynn (UGA); DT: Justin Jones (NC St.); BJ Hill (NC St.) Edge: Marcus Davenport (UTSA); Uchenna Nwosu (USC) ILB: Tre' Williams (AUB); CB: Kameron Kelly (SDSU); S
PoeticG Posted January 26, 2018 Report Posted January 26, 2018 Here's some practice footage of Allen and Mayfield.
mjp28 Posted January 26, 2018 Report Posted January 26, 2018 There is another collegiate football all star game that even I forgot all about, the Dream Bowl, ever heard of it.....most really have not. http://www.dreambowl.net/home SALEM FOOTBALL STADIUM, January 11 - 15, 2018 , The Dream Bowl is a College Football All-Star Showcase of the best FCS, D-II and D-III players from across the country. The game and the series of events held over Martin Luther King Weekend are a celebration of the excellence, commitment, and sacrifice made by the players and their families. The Dream Bowl treats seniors to a real bowl game experience. The Dream Bowl provides first-class accommodations, meals, and facilities for the players, along with a full weekend of football and social related activities for their friends and families, which will create a lifetime of memories for their collegiate send-off game. And I missed it......
LionOfBuddha Posted January 26, 2018 Report Posted January 26, 2018 TE Mike Gesicki from Penn State has been balling this week. Not that we’re in the market for a TE early, but this guy is a stud
The Gipper Posted January 26, 2018 Report Posted January 26, 2018 Seems weird that the organizers loaded up the Denver coached North Team with QBs so the Bronco Staff could get a close look at them. Uhum....doesn't each squad get the same number of players at each position? Your statement sounds like they are giving the North 5-6 QBs while only giving 1-2 to the South. Or...are you saying that it seems that the North is getting more of the "highly rated" QBs...and that the South is getting the end of the drafters.
The Gipper Posted January 26, 2018 Report Posted January 26, 2018 14 hours ago, PoeticG said: Here's some practice footage of Allen and Mayfield. Not being able to tackle takes away a lot.
Tour2ma Posted January 26, 2018 Author Report Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, The Gipper said: Seems weird that the organizers loaded up the Denver coached North Team with QBs so the Bronco Staff could get a close look at them. 1. Uhum....doesn't each squad get the same number of players at each position? Your statement sounds like they are giving the North 5-6 QBs while only giving 1-2 to the South. 2. Or...are you saying that it seems that the North is getting more of the "highly rated" QBs...and that the South is getting the end of the drafters. Yes.. Therefore it's clearly #2.
The Gipper Posted January 26, 2018 Report Posted January 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Tour2ma said: Yes.. Therefore it's clearly #2. How so then?
hoorta Posted January 26, 2018 Report Posted January 26, 2018 3 hours ago, LionOfBuddha said: TE Mike Gesicki from Penn State has been balling this week. Not that we’re in the market for a TE early, but this guy is a stud He'll kill it at the combine in the vertical- he was a HS dunk champion.
SD_Tom Posted January 26, 2018 Report Posted January 26, 2018 1 minute ago, hoorta said: He'll kill it at the combine in the vertical- he was a HS dunk champion. He is awesome.
SD_Tom Posted January 26, 2018 Report Posted January 26, 2018 Looking forward to this guy https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2018/01/senior_bowl_2018_san_diego_sta.amp
hoorta Posted January 26, 2018 Report Posted January 26, 2018 44 minutes ago, The Gipper said: How so then? Savage did Denver a huge favor loading them up with the top QB prospects, since they're in the market. Elway specifically requested Mayfield. Add in Josh Allen, Luke Falk, and they would have gotten your guy Mason Rudolph too- if he hadn't been hurt.
hoorta Posted January 26, 2018 Report Posted January 26, 2018 1 minute ago, SD_Tom said: Looking forward to this guy https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2018/01/senior_bowl_2018_san_diego_sta.amp Yeah- I'm not really feeling the Saquon Barkley love- especially not @ #1 overall. Saw a stat on Walter Football that 21% of his carries were for negative yardage. Ditto the Josh Allen #1 overall by Mel. He's got an Elway arm with Kizer accuracy. Got a feeling there will be near rioting if we don't use one of the first round picks on a QB. Darnold or Mayfield.
mjp28 Posted January 26, 2018 Report Posted January 26, 2018 18 minutes ago, hoorta said: Yeah- I'm not really feeling the Saquon Barkley love- especially not @ #1 overall. Saw a stat on Walter Football that 21% of his carries were for negative yardage. Ditto the Josh Allen #1 overall by Mel. He's got an Elway arm with Kizer accuracy. Got a feeling there will be near rioting if we don't use one of the first round picks on a QB. Darnold or Mayfield. Yes the popular opinion squad that think they actually own, run and coach all NFL teams will have a collective hissy fit and go online and write all kinds of junk demanding change......who knows maybe they'll have another parade! Back to reality who's #1 and 4, a classic opportunity for the BROWNS to make a bold statement! (I hope they don't knuckle under.)
hoorta Posted January 26, 2018 Report Posted January 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, mjp28 said: Yes the popular opinion squad that think they actually own, run and coach all NFL teams will have a collective hissy fit and go online and write all kinds of junk demanding change......who knows maybe they'll have another parade! Back to reality who's #1 and 4, a classic opportunity for the BROWNS to make a bold statement! (I hope they don't knuckle under.) You know I'm kidding about the rioting- like us fans have any say in the matter. I think with Jimmuh's comment when he introduced Dorsey- getting a franchise qb is Job #1.
Tour2ma Posted January 26, 2018 Author Report Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, The Gipper said: How so then? For starters Elway "requested" that Mayfield be assigned to the DNV staff's squad.
The Gipper Posted January 26, 2018 Report Posted January 26, 2018 2 hours ago, hoorta said: Savage did Denver a huge favor loading them up with the top QB prospects, since they're in the market. Elway specifically requested Mayfield. Add in Josh Allen, Luke Falk, and they would have gotten your guy Mason Rudolph too- if he hadn't been hurt. Who did the other team get? And Rudolph isn't really "my guy"....I simply reported that a particular scouting service had him ranked as the best QB prospect. And still does. But some other arrogant cokwads seemed to take personal affront that some professional scouting service would disagree with their amateur opinions. I pointed out that he is in the mix it seems to be highly drafted...and to potentially be one of the actual better QBs coming out of this group. I also pointed out that he has the big red flag "Big 12 QB" spray painted prominently on his back.
Tour2ma Posted January 26, 2018 Author Report Posted January 26, 2018 ... and you've been waffling ever since you nearly took a stand.
SD_Tom Posted January 26, 2018 Report Posted January 26, 2018 I've mentioned him before, but another player to watch is "Horrible Harry" Harrison Phillips from Stanford. One of the leading tacklers in the Pac 12. Supposedly he is strong enough where he wants to set the BP record in the combine.
The Gipper Posted January 26, 2018 Report Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Tour2ma said: ... and you've been waffling ever since you nearly took a stand. Yeah because I don't see that any of these guys are all that and a bag of chips it's called being smart
hoorta Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 9 hours ago, The Gipper said: Who did the other team get? And Rudolph isn't really "my guy"....I simply reported that a particular scouting service had him ranked as the best QB prospect. And still does. But some other arrogant cokwads seemed to take personal affront that some professional scouting service would disagree with their amateur opinions. I pointed out that he is in the mix it seems to be highly drafted...and to potentially be one of the actual better QBs coming out of this group. I also pointed out that he has the big red flag "Big 12 QB" spray painted prominently on his back. OK, I understand you were quoting an ancient history mock draft on Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer. He's currently nowhere to be seen on a bunch of other "professional scouting service" mocks in the first round. The South QBs, and dig deep Gip. Brandon Silvers, Troy Kurt Benkert, Virginia (Tour has had his eyes on him for a while) Mike White, Western Kentucky (put him in the dark horse thread, he looked decent Thursday) Kyle Lauletta, Richmond (I have to say who?) BTW, the South has Rashaad Penny SD State, led DI in rushing... tune in this afternoon...
ballpeen Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 Gipper thinks Rudolph is the best QB in the draft? Wow. That's bold.
gumby73 Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 On 1/25/2018 at 3:38 PM, Tour2ma said: Thoughts through the first two days of practice. Seems weird that the organizers loaded up the Denver coached North Team with QBs so the Bronco Staff could get a close look at them. Outside of the QB group this year's roster feels less talented than last year's. Outside of QBs the strength of the the rosters seems to be in the interior OL and DL. Should see some real battles here. Edge rushers seem to have a significant edge over their OT opposites. Ditto for WR over DBs Little feel as yet for the RBs and LBs in attendance. Players who look to be making money this week: RB-K.Ballage//R.Penny WR: Michael Gallop (Col St.); Justin Watson (Penn)..(Lazard,Berrios,D.Hamilton(all run good routes)///J.Washington,Ateman,Pringle TE-Fumagalli,Gesicki(he can't block Shoolie)/// OT-B.O'Neill-Pitt(like),T.Crosby///Noteboom,B.Parker OG: Will Hernandez (UTEP);///I.Wynn OC: Isaiah Wynn (UGA);(gold at G,played some T?) DT: Justin Jones (NC St.); BJ Hill (NC St.)///Andrew Brown Edge: Marcus Davenport (UTSA); Uchenna Nwosu (USC),O.Okoronkwo,H.Phillips///D.Hand,S.Griffin(no is not a answer) ILB: Nick Deluca(smooth coverage skills,imo)/// Tre' Williams (AUB), Darius Leonard CB: Taron Johnson///Kameron Kelly (SDSU),D'Montre Wade S-Armani Watts///6'2 box S -Kyzir White Few more names in the mix^^^ North///South..P. Savage did his job...starting to look like the draft depth is growing to maybe 3.5 rounds..
Bigalow80 Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 I would hate to be a scout. The more I watch, the more I like certain players than originally planned. For example, Mayfield. His accuracy is way more impressive than I thought. It's very obvious that he will play to this strength. His arm is also better than I thought. There is just something about him that makes me think he is going to be a winner in the league. I'm not saying he should be drafted before Rosen or Darnold, but I definitely think he is better than Allen. Also, the JM comparisons are poor journalism. He's fiery, has some immaturity issues, but I don't think he is a coke head nor do I feel his passion for the game lacks. In fact, his passion and competitiveness are one of things that I love about him. He's Brett Favre in the sense he really doesn't care what people think. he's there to win at all cost and will rub it in your face, which for some reason, I like. On the flip side, a guy I loved coming into this week was Rashaad Penny and I have heard nothing but negative reviews. I still think he is going to be special but I was hoping he would have performed way better than he has. There is still the game to flash, but we will see.
mjp28 Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 So is it clearer who the BROWNS will pick at #1 or 4? Is a QB pick guaranteed?
The Gipper Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 5 hours ago, ballpeen said: Gipper thinks Rudolph is the best QB in the draft? Wow. That's bold. Russ....CBS Sports has him rated that way....and I reported that, that is all. I said he could be in the mix. 10 Mason Rudolph Oklahoma St. Sr QB 1 6-5 230 12 Lamar Jackson Louisville Jr QB 2 6-3 200 17 Josh Rosen UCLA Jr QB 3 6-4 220 21 Sam Darnold USC Soph QB 4 6-4 225 38 Baker Mayfield Oklahoma Sr QB 5 6-1 218 125 Josh Allen Wyoming Jr QB 6 6-5 233 132 Logan Woodside Toledo Sr QB 7 6-2 201 159 Nick Stevens Colorado St. Sr QB 8 6-3 200 167 Riley Ferguson Memphis Sr QB 9 6-4 210 181 Chase Litton Marshall
The Gipper Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 11 hours ago, hoorta said: OK, I understand you were quoting an ancient history mock draft on Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer. He's currently nowhere to be seen on a bunch of other "professional scouting service" mocks in the first round. The South QBs, and dig deep Gip. Brandon Silvers, Troy Kurt Benkert, Virginia (Tour has had his eyes on him for a while) Mike White, Western Kentucky (put him in the dark horse thread, he looked decent Thursday) Kyle Lauletta, Richmond (I have to say who?) BTW, the South has Rashaad Penny SD State, led DI in rushing... tune in this afternoon... Two keys to your point Larry: 1. CBS STILL has him rated #1.....so, if you think this morning of January 27, 2018 is "ancient history" so be it. 2. "MOCK drafts are not supposedly the recitation of the rankings based on pure talent projection....they are supposedly a forecast of what that particular service thinks that the NFL teams will do in the draft. So, even thought CBS Sports has Rudolph ranked #1.....they only have him ranked the 10th best prospect overall (as they think that 9 other guys are better than the best QB......AND...in their Mock draft..they do NOT have Rudolph going as the first QB taken. I think he was third or 4th. So...as you see, a prospect ranking and a mock draft are vastly different animals. Finally.....I would be pleased to see the rankings of various other "professional scouting services". ...NOT their mock drafts....their player rankings. As just one example.....Mel Kiper had the Browns taking Josh Allen with the #1 overall pick. Do you think for a moment that Mel Kiper has Josh Allen as the #1 overall prospect in his draft? I seriously doubt it. (because I do not pay for that service...I don't see his rankings). A lot of us think that Kiper must be having joke at the Browns expense. It seems like he is saying with that mock draft: "I think the Browns will continue their pattern of making the dumbest moves ever when drafting QBs." I mean...doesn't that sound like what Kiper is saying?
hoorta Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 51 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Two keys to your point Larry: 1. CBS STILL has him rated #1.....so, if you think this morning of January 27, 2018 is "ancient history" so be it. 2. "MOCK drafts are not supposedly the recitation of the rankings based on pure talent projection....they are supposedly a forecast of what that particular service thinks that the NFL teams will do in the draft. So, even thought CBS Sports has Rudolph ranked #1.....they only have him ranked the 10th best prospect overall (as they think that 9 other guys are better than the best QB......AND...in their Mock draft..they do NOT have Rudolph going as the first QB taken. I think he was third or 4th. So...as you see, a prospect ranking and a mock draft are vastly different animals. Finally.....I would be pleased to see the rankings of various other "professional scouting services". ...NOT their mock drafts....their player rankings. As just one example.....Mel Kiper had the Browns taking Josh Allen with the #1 overall pick. Do you think for a moment that Mel Kiper has Josh Allen as the #1 overall prospect in his draft? I seriously doubt it. (because I do not pay for that service...I don't see his rankings). A lot of us think that Kiper must be having joke at the Browns expense. It seems like he is saying with that mock draft: "I think the Browns will continue their pattern of making the dumbest moves ever when drafting QBs." I mean...doesn't that sound like what Kiper is saying? Yeah, Mel is crazy to have the Browns taking Allen #1 overall. As me and Mark have opined, we already have his clone on the roster in Kizer. Well, CBS Sports is full of it if they have Rudolph as the #1 qb prospect. Here's Daniel Jeremiah's (was a pro scout before he got his job @ NFLN) ranking the top 50. Rudolph is nowhere to be seen... http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000909727/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospects-for-2018-nfl-draft Need more? 6th best qb http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=130840&draftyear=2018&genpos=QB Walter Football 7th best http://walterfootball.com/draft2018QB.php So don't go putting much stock in an outlier Gip. I like Rudolph (he interviewed well), but barring something unforeseen by me between now and the end of April, he's not getting drafted in the top 10. Doing Google, seems the Ravens might have an interest in Rudolph as an eventual replacement for JOe Flacco.
Tour2ma Posted January 27, 2018 Author Report Posted January 27, 2018 Kiper raised Allen to his #1 ranking... and while that's funnier than him reading GM tea leaves for his mock, but the CBS ranking has been and is an absolute joke. Just to help Gip follow along, here is the DraftScout ranking... http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/top750.php?draftyear=2018&sortby=rateall&order=ASC DSRank Name College Proj Hgt Wgt 40 20 10 Bench Vert Jump Broad Jump Shuttle 3Cone 1 Darnold, *Sam QB, Southern California 1 6-3 220 4.74 2 Barkley, *Saquon RB, Penn State 1 5-11 230 4.49 3 Rosen, *Josh QB, UCLA 1 6-3 218 4.97 4 Fitzpatrick, *Minkah CB, Alabama 1 6-0 201 4.52 5 Chubb, Bradley DE, North Carolina State 1 6-3 275 4.84 6 Nelson, *Quenton OG, Notre Dame 1 6-4 330 5.23 7 Smith, *Roquan ILB, Georgia 1 6-0 225 4.54 8 Allen, *Josh QB, Wyoming 1 6-5 237 4.76 9 Payne, *DaRon DT, Alabama 1 6-2 308 5.38 10 Williams, *Connor OT, Texas 1 6-5 315 5.31 Rudolph is down at #50.
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