Steelers writer Ed Bouchette

[The Gipper]

2 hours ago, boo fagley said:

No, Judge Judy I would not like to be like your Ohio brethren in Cincinnati.

I would rather have a higher draft slot to rebuild and make a run all the way to the Super Bowl. Do you like 2nd place or worse all the time? 

 

You are not making any sense whatsoever.  You want to lose so that you can get a higher draft pick?   It doesn't work out that way much...NOT in the NFL. (maybe in the NBA where one player can make a huge difference)  The Browns have had the #1 overall pick 4 times, and have done squadoosh.  Yet these teams, like the Pats, and Steelers, who are always drafting at the bottom of the order continue to win....not because they get high picks, but because they know what to do with the picks they have.

How many players except BR...are still on the Steelers from when they won the 2005 and 2008 titles.  If more than 1 or 2 I would be surprised. Same for the Pats.....besides TB...I doubt there is one single player on those team that played in their 2003/04 Super Bowl winning teams. 

[The Gipper]

2 hours ago, boo fagley said:

You make my point that after Ben leaves, Steelers fans will really be unhappy. Everyone knows that they should be winning Lombardis now.

Thank you for your input.

You need the input to drive to drive away your idiocy.   I do not believe that Anyone believes the Steelers should be winning Super Bowls right now.  Overall...that team is just really not that good.  They have 3-4 good players, BR, BRown, Bell...maybe another 1 or two.  That Steeler defense is not your father's Steeler defense...(not even your older brothers from 2005-08).

[The Gipper]

2 hours ago, boo fagley said:

You are recused from commenting on how many Titles the Steelers should have because of bias.

We will get back to you.

I am biased to the point that I don't want them to win..sure.     But you are stupid, with terrible evaluation skills if you believe the Steelers should have won any more over the last 15 years than they have.  

Better teams have beat them along the way.  And the couple they did win, they won with some luck and some big breaks. 

Here is their history...since 2005....tell us where where they should have won any game they did not...or what year they should have won the title when they did not:

Playoff Game Log

 

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								Score		Offense					Defense					Expected Points
Week	Day	Date			OT		Opp	Tm	Opp	1stD	TotYd	PassY	RushY	TO	1stD	TotYd	PassY	RushY	TO	Offense	Defense	Sp. Tms
2017 Playoffs
Division	Sun	January 14, 2018	boxscore	L			Jacksonville Jaguars	42	45	28	545	462	83	2	22	378	214	164		18.14	-20.52	1.71
2016 Playoffs
WildCard	Sun	January 8, 2017	boxscore	W			Miami Dolphins	30	12	19	367	188	179	2	18	305	253	52	3	14.79	11.03	-8.21
Division	Sun	January 15, 2017	boxscore	W		@	Kansas City Chiefs	18	16	20	389	218	171	1	16	227	166	61	2	-2.25	3.67	0.19
ConfChamp	Sun	January 22, 2017	boxscore	L		@	New England Patriots	17	36	22	368	314	54	2	26	431	374	57		2.88	-20.62	-2.03
2015 Playoffs
WildCard	Sat	January 9, 2016	boxscore	W		@	Cincinnati Bengals	18	16	21	369	202	167	2	19	279	188	91	4	-4.17	10.48	-3.85
Division	Sun	January 17, 2016	boxscore	L		@	Denver Broncos	16	23	16	396	311	85	1	19	324	215	109		-3.71	5.76	-9.90
2014 Playoffs
WildCard	Sat	January 3, 2015	boxscore	L			Baltimore Ravens	17	30	22	387	319	68	3	19	299	246	53	1	-2.72	-9.65	0.02
2011 Playoffs
WildCard	Sun	January 8, 2012	boxscore	L	OT	@	Denver Broncos	23	29	21	400	244	156	1	18	447	316	131	1	5.57	-14.16	2.17
2010 Playoffs
Division	Sat	January 15, 2011	boxscore	W			Baltimore Ravens	31	24	21	263	192	71	2	12	126	91	35	3	-1.77	15.91	-6.44
ConfChamp	Sun	January 23, 2011	boxscore	W			New York Jets	24	19	23	287	121	166	2	17	289	219	70	1	4.42	1.33	0.95
SuperBowl	Sun	February 6, 2011	boxscore	L		N	Green Bay Packers	25	31	19	387	261	126	3	15	338	288	50		-2.89	-7.72	2.46
2008 Playoffs
Division	Sun	January 11, 2009	boxscore	W			San Diego Chargers	35	24	22	342	177	165		15	290	275	15	2	6.27	-0.97	5.12
ConfChamp	Sun	January 18, 2009	boxscore	W			Baltimore Ravens	23	14	11	275	223	52	1	13	198	125	73	4	-12.37	23.82	3.13
SuperBowl	Sun	February 1, 2009	boxscore	W		N	Arizona Cardinals	27	23	20	292	234	58	1	23	407	374	33	2	4.62	-0.92	1.91
2007 Playoffs
WildCard	Sat	January 5, 2008	boxscore	L			Jacksonville Jaguars	29	31	24	340	297	43	4	14	239	104	135	2	-6.31	4.18	-4.99
2005 Playoffs
WildCard	Sun	January 8, 2006	boxscore	W		@	Cincinnati Bengals	31	17	19	346	202	144		19	327	243	84	2	18.99	-0.37	-3.06
Division	Sun	January 15, 2006	boxscore	W		@	Indianapolis Colts	21	18	21	295	183	112	2	15	305	247	58		-2.34	-0.14	5.19
ConfChamp	Sun	January 22, 2006	boxscore	W		@	Denver Broncos	34	17	20	358	268	90		16	308	211	97	4	13.83	-0.54	-2.21
SuperBowl	Sun	February 5, 2006	boxscore	W		N	Seattle Seahawks	21	10	14	339	158	181	2	20	396	259	137	1	-0.53	5.54	6.97
2004 Playoffs
Division	Sat	January 15, 2005	boxscore	W	OT		New York Jets	20	17	23	364	171	193	3	17	275	165	110	1	-8.87	6.78	4.21
ConfChamp	Sun	January 23, 2005	boxscore	L			New England Patriots	27	41	19	388	225	163	4	18	322	196	126		-3.47	-13.28	1.05
2002 Playoffs
W

[The Gipper]

Of all these, the ONLY game I can see that possibly they should have won was the Tim Tebow game vs. the Broncos in OT.  I mean, they were playing Tim Effing Tebow and lost.  

[boo fagley]

9 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

You need the input to drive to drive away your idiocy.   I do not believe that Anyone believes the Steelers should be winning Super Bowls right now.  Overall...that team is just really not that good.  They have 3-4 good players, BR, BRown, Bell...maybe another 1 or two.  That Steeler defense is not your father's Steeler defense...(not even your older brothers from 2005-08).

Pittsburgh has the 3rd ranked team overall. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff

Better to stop posting than continue on and remove all doubt that youre a moron.

[boo fagley]

6 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

I am biased to the point that I don't want them to win..sure.     But you are stupid, with terrible evaluation skills if you believe the Steelers should have won any more over the last 15 years than they have.  

Better teams have beat them along the way.  And the couple they did win, they won with some luck and some big breaks. 

Here is their history...since 2005....tell us where where they should have won any game they did not...or what year they should have won the title when they did not:

Playoff Game Log

 

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								Score		Offense					Defense					Expected Points
Week	Day	Date			OT		Opp	Tm	Opp	1stD	TotYd	PassY	RushY	TO	1stD	TotYd	PassY	RushY	TO	Offense	Defense	Sp. Tms
2017 Playoffs
Division	Sun	January 14, 2018	boxscore	L			Jacksonville Jaguars	42	45	28	545	462	83	2	22	378	214	164		18.14	-20.52	1.71
2016 Playoffs
WildCard	Sun	January 8, 2017	boxscore	W			Miami Dolphins	30	12	19	367	188	179	2	18	305	253	52	3	14.79	11.03	-8.21
Division	Sun	January 15, 2017	boxscore	W		@	Kansas City Chiefs	18	16	20	389	218	171	1	16	227	166	61	2	-2.25	3.67	0.19
ConfChamp	Sun	January 22, 2017	boxscore	L		@	New England Patriots	17	36	22	368	314	54	2	26	431	374	57		2.88	-20.62	-2.03
2015 Playoffs
WildCard	Sat	January 9, 2016	boxscore	W		@	Cincinnati Bengals	18	16	21	369	202	167	2	19	279	188	91	4	-4.17	10.48	-3.85
Division	Sun	January 17, 2016	boxscore	L		@	Denver Broncos	16	23	16	396	311	85	1	19	324	215	109		-3.71	5.76	-9.90
2014 Playoffs
WildCard	Sat	January 3, 2015	boxscore	L			Baltimore Ravens	17	30	22	387	319	68	3	19	299	246	53	1	-2.72	-9.65	0.02
2011 Playoffs
WildCard	Sun	January 8, 2012	boxscore	L	OT	@	Denver Broncos	23	29	21	400	244	156	1	18	447	316	131	1	5.57	-14.16	2.17
2010 Playoffs
Division	Sat	January 15, 2011	boxscore	W			Baltimore Ravens	31	24	21	263	192	71	2	12	126	91	35	3	-1.77	15.91	-6.44
ConfChamp	Sun	January 23, 2011	boxscore	W			New York Jets	24	19	23	287	121	166	2	17	289	219	70	1	4.42	1.33	0.95
SuperBowl	Sun	February 6, 2011	boxscore	L		N	Green Bay Packers	25	31	19	387	261	126	3	15	338	288	50		-2.89	-7.72	2.46
2008 Playoffs
Division	Sun	January 11, 2009	boxscore	W			San Diego Chargers	35	24	22	342	177	165		15	290	275	15	2	6.27	-0.97	5.12
ConfChamp	Sun	January 18, 2009	boxscore	W			Baltimore Ravens	23	14	11	275	223	52	1	13	198	125	73	4	-12.37	23.82	3.13
SuperBowl	Sun	February 1, 2009	boxscore	W		N	Arizona Cardinals	27	23	20	292	234	58	1	23	407	374	33	2	4.62	-0.92	1.91
2007 Playoffs
WildCard	Sat	January 5, 2008	boxscore	L			Jacksonville Jaguars	29	31	24	340	297	43	4	14	239	104	135	2	-6.31	4.18	-4.99
2005 Playoffs
WildCard	Sun	January 8, 2006	boxscore	W		@	Cincinnati Bengals	31	17	19	346	202	144		19	327	243	84	2	18.99	-0.37	-3.06
Division	Sun	January 15, 2006	boxscore	W		@	Indianapolis Colts	21	18	21	295	183	112	2	15	305	247	58		-2.34	-0.14	5.19
ConfChamp	Sun	January 22, 2006	boxscore	W		@	Denver Broncos	34	17	20	358	268	90		16	308	211	97	4	13.83	-0.54	-2.21
SuperBowl	Sun	February 5, 2006	boxscore	W		N	Seattle Seahawks	21	10	14	339	158	181	2	20	396	259	137	1	-0.53	5.54	6.97
2004 Playoffs
Division	Sat	January 15, 2005	boxscore	W	OT		New York Jets	20	17	23	364	171	193	3	17	275	165	110	1	-8.87	6.78	4.21
ConfChamp	Sun	January 23, 2005	boxscore	L			New England Patriots	27	41	19	388	225	163	4	18	322	196	126		-3.47	-13.28	1.05
2002 Playoffs
W

The only grounds that you have for calling anyone stupid is that you have been stupid for decades.

60 + years of experience.

[boo fagley]

18 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

You are not making any sense whatsoever.  You want to lose so that you can get a higher draft pick?   It doesn't work out that way much...NOT in the NFL. (maybe in the NBA where one player can make a huge difference)  The Browns have had the #1 overall pick 4 times, and have done squadoosh.  Yet these teams, like the Pats, and Steelers, who are always drafting at the bottom of the order continue to win....not because they get high picks, but because they know what to do with the picks they have.

How many players except BR...are still on the Steelers from when they won the 2005 and 2008 titles.  If more than 1 or 2 I would be surprised. Same for the Pats.....besides TB...I doubt there is one single player on those team that played in their 2003/04 Super Bowl winning teams. 

You just do not understand.

Its OK.

[The Gipper]

27 minutes ago, boo fagley said:

Pittsburgh has the 3rd ranked team overall. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff

Better to stop posting than continue on and remove all doubt that youre a moron.

 

29 minutes ago, boo fagley said:

Pittsburgh has the 3rd ranked team overall. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff

Better to stop posting than continue on and remove all doubt that youre a moron.

Their offense was ranked 3rd out of 16 in the AFC, their defense was ranked 9th out of 16.  Any moron can tell that that is not a formula for a championship team.  You apparently have not reached the intellectual level of a moron...you are still stuck on Cretin.  Those stats might be good enough to get them into the playoffs in a weak division...which is just what they played in.  Its not good enough to have them be serious contenders.

[The Gipper]

29 minutes ago, boo fagley said:

The only grounds that you have for calling anyone stupid is that you have been stupid for decades.

60 + years of experience.

60+ years of dealing with Cretins like you definitely makes me qualified to know stupid when I see it.   I see it.

[The Gipper]

28 minutes ago, boo fagley said:

You just do not understand.

Its OK.

Except, of course, I do perfectly understand that you are operating on a theory that is totally inapplicable:    the NBA like theory that says:"since over half the teams in the league make the playoffs, it is better to be bad than mediocre, so that you can get a high draft pick, and maybe get lucky and get a LeBron James to lead your team into the future"

Several problems:

 A.  that may conceivably work in a sport where you have only 5 starting players....but it does not work as well in one that has 22 starting players.  The impact of one player in the NFL is nowhere what it is in the NBA. The NFL must reach far deeper into the talent pool to acquire players that will help a team win.

B. For every LeBron James that you get, you also get an Anthony Bennett.  (Tim Couch and Courtney Brown didn't help the Browns #1s , or Trent Richardson or Braylon Edwards #3s, Or Mingo or Winslow  #6s...or Gilbert #8.  ) 

 C.  It hasn't worked for 20 years now with the Browns...and it has never worked even in the NBA for like the Kings and the Clippers and others .

It takes a lot more than losing and getting a high draft pick to change a losing culture into a winning culture.   It takes rock solid coaching, player evaluation, especially when it comes to lower draft picks and free agents etc.   Losing, in the NFL, just begets losing.  You want to be a loser for a high pick....having that high pick will not change you from being a loser.

D. Also, unlike the NBA,   only 12 out of 32 teams make the playoffs, not like the NBA where 16 out of 30 do.  If you are a playoff caliber team, then you are usually a good team, not just a random .500 team that only makes the playoffs because of a flawed playoff system.  So, NFL team ALWAYS want to make the playoff, because it is  sign the you have a good base of talent and coaching etc. 

So, losing is for losing, loser.  The desire to lose to get better nearly NEVER works.  See Browns, Jets, etc. 

[boo fagley]

 

1 hour ago, The Gipper said:

 

Their offense was ranked 3rd out of 16 in the AFC, their defense was ranked 9th out of 16.  Any moron can tell that that is not a formula for a championship team.  You apparently have not reached the intellectual level of a moron...you are still stuck on Cretin.  Those stats might be good enough to get them into the playoffs in a weak division...which is just what they played in.  Its not good enough to have them be serious contenders.

You wanted to continue on proving your stupidity for all to see.

The Steelers are 3rd out of 32 teams.

AFC only

1 Pittsburgh

2 NE

3 Baltimore

4 Jacksonville

5 KC

Pittsburgh had a Super Bowl contending team, but youre too dense to see it.

[boo fagley]

1 hour ago, The Gipper said:

60+ years of dealing with Cretins like you definitely makes me qualified to know stupid when I see it.   I see it.

 You are a product of your own environment.

 I can only imagine the conversations when your kind of people show up in court.

[The Gipper]

17 hours ago, boo fagley said:

 

You wanted to continue on proving your stupidity for all to see.

The Steelers are 3rd out of 32 teams.

The link you gave separated AFC and NFC

AFC only

1 Pittsburgh

2 NE

3 Baltimore

4 Jacksonville

5 KC

Pittsburgh had a Super Bowl contending team, but youre too dense to see it.

They had a playoff team, not a Super Bowl contending team.  They were not good enough.  This is a defense that gave up 45 points to Blake Bortles.

 But by virtue of your prior statements, the Steelers should just pack it in and start losing in order to get higher draft picks.

 

[The Gipper]

15 hours ago, boo fagley said:

 You are a product of your own environment.

 I can only imagine the conversations when your kind of people show up in court.

Not all of them are as cretinous as you.  Only a  rare few.

[Zombo]

On 7/12/2018 at 1:01 PM, boo fagley said:

I thought you were in Tampa.

The Steelers last Super Bowl trophy was 2008. The second year after Cowher handed Tomlin a Super Bowl contender. 

Look at it this way. If it was only about winning games and not Championships then Andy Reid will still be in Philly. The Eagles like the Steelers had some great teams that Reid failed to do anything with either. So, they shipped his a$$ out of town and next think you know they are SB Champs. Already talking about another run at it with Wentz. BTW, Reid is about to wear his welcome out in KC too. The city has grown tired of just winning games and being in the Super Bowl conversation.

So the Patriots went ten years between SBs and Belichick is the goat, but the Steelers go ten years and Tomlin needs to be fired?

They just won 13 games. Tell Ben to quit turning the ball over in playoff games.

 

 

[boo fagley]

5 hours ago, Zombo said:

So the Patriots went ten years between SBs and Belichick is the goat, but the Steelers go ten years and Tomlin needs to be fired?

They just won 13 games. Tell Ben to quit turning the ball over in playoff games.

 

 

Prior to the drought, Belichick had 5 Super Bowl rings. 3 as a Head Coach and 2 as the DC for the Giants.

He had coached in a total of 6 Super Bowls before the drought started and coached in 2 more Super Bowls during the drought that he lost. 8 Super Bowls on his resume.

Hey, they were calling for Tomlin to go before I said anything. Haley got the axe, but I will bet you Tomlin is next to go if he does not deliver Super Bowl appearance now. Ben has been very frustrated with Tomlin and threatened retirement twice.

[boo fagley]

11 hours ago, The Gipper said:

Not all of them are as cretinous as you.  Only a  rare few.

 Maybe they can learn you something about football.

[boo fagley]

11 hours ago, The Gipper said:

The link you gave separated AFC and NFC

There are 32 teams listed.

I am a very fair Man though, youve had some eyesight trouble, so I will just dole out probation. Beware of calling other people stupid and dumb in the future.

[boo fagley]

11 hours ago, The Gipper said:

They had a playoff team, not a Super Bowl contending team.  They were not good enough.  This is a defense that gave up 45 points to Blake Bortles.

 But by virtue of your prior statements, the Steelers should just pack it in and start losing in order to get higher draft picks.

They were a Super Bowl team that Tomlin cant get to the Super Bowl.

[Flugel]

On 7/12/2018 at 10:09 AM, boo fagley said:

First off, I was not using the fact that because of the Browns that you would not know about winning. The Browns 7 Championships belies my point. The Browns are revered as one of the great dynasties in football history. You strive to be the best.

Boo, let's not pretend NE was winning enough to put fans in the seats throughout the 60s, 70s and most of the 80s and 90s.  That's where you learned to pronounce your screen name.

The Browns actually won 8 Championships.  They won their first 7 Championships from 1946 to 1955 (while appearing in the Championship Game every year).  That's 10 straight years of Championships with the HC-QB tandem of Paul Brown and Otto Graham, which is as unparalleled in Pro Football history as it was Otto Matic.  That's probably a big reason why Bill Belichick and his father frequently hailed Paul Brown as the GOAT.  Why wouldn't they? BB actually narrates a small segment of the Life of Paul Brown on the NFL Channel. If you watch it - you'll learn pretty quickly who his idol was.

When Otto Graham retired after his 10th season in 1955, the Browns didn't win their 8th Championship until 1964.  How many other Pro Football QBs in America have led their teams to the Championship Game every year of their career or for a period of 10 consecutive years?

[Orion]

On 7/5/2018 at 11:19 AM, jiggins7919 said:

You'd have to be INSANE to actually pick the Browns in a season opener, and you'd have to be DOUBLY insane to pick us in an opener against the STEELERS.

...sums it up pretty well right there.

But there IS a difference this year because we have many New & Proven NFL players and personnel.  Dorsey, Haley, Landry, Tyrod, Hyde.  That's four of the most important offensive puzzle pieces.  It IS possible that those upgrades could make a substantial difference.  And then there's that jack-butt Josh Gordon.  He could be good, he could be great, he could be lazy and he could be in jail.  All in the same month.  - Our team right now is a bit of a wild card.  We're hard to predict at this point.

[hoorta]

2 hours ago, boo fagley said:

 Maybe they can learn you something about football.

Gip knows damn little about foot-ball.  https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44809493

I'll even predict I'm gonna lose a bottle of wine over this. If the Brits had made the final- I'd like my odds. FWIW, the underdog Croats have 5 guys that play on major European teams- including Real Madrid. 

PS: Just found out the next World Cup in Quatar is gonna be in December. Talk about a f-ck up. 10X worse than having Winter Olympic hockey. Can you imagine the NFL having to shut down for a month or two mid season so their guys could play in a tournament? Exactly what will happen in 4  years. 

[The Gipper]

15 hours ago, boo fagley said:

 Maybe they can learn you something about football.

Maybe they can.   You certainly can't.

 

[The Gipper]

4 hours ago, boo fagley said:

There are 32 teams listed.

I am a very fair Man though, youve had some eyesight trouble, so I will just dole out probation. Beware of calling other people stupid and dumb in the future.

You are right you don't need me calling you stupid and dumb just by taking breaths you show that you are 

[The Gipper]

4 hours ago, boo fagley said:

They were a Super Bowl team that Tomlin cant get to the Super Bowl.

They were a Super Bowl team a decade ago. Now they are just a playoff team with no real chance at winning the title

[The Gipper]

15 hours ago, Flugel said:

Boo, let's not pretend NE was winning enough to put fans in the seats throughout the 60s, 70s and most of the 80s and 90s.  That's where you learned to pronounce your screen name.

The Browns actually won 8 Championships.  They won their first 7 Championships from 1946 to 1955 (while appearing in the Championship Game every year).  That's 10 straight years of Championships with the HC-QB tandem of Paul Brown and Otto Graham, which is as unparalleled in Pro Football history as it was Otto Matic.  That's probably a big reason why Bill Belichick and his father frequently hailed Paul Brown as the GOAT.  Why wouldn't they? BB actually narrates a small segment of the Life of Paul Brown on the NFL Channel. If you watch it - you'll learn pretty quickly who his idol was.

When Otto Graham retired after his 10th season in 1955, the Browns didn't win their 8th Championship until 1964.  How many other Pro Football QBs in America have led their teams to the Championship Game every year of their career or for a period of 10 consecutive years?

To answer your trivia question it is:  None

[The Gipper]

12 hours ago, hoorta said:

Gip knows damn little about foot-ball.  https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44809493

I'll even predict I'm gonna lose a bottle of wine over this. If the Brits had made the final- I'd like my odds. FWIW, the underdog Croats have 5 guys that play on major European teams- including Real Madrid. 

PS: Just found out the next World Cup in Quatar is gonna be in December. Talk about a f-ck up. 10X worse than having Winter Olympic hockey. Can you imagine the NFL having to shut down for a month or two mid season so their guys could play in a tournament? Exactly what will happen in 4  years. 

You mean futbol.    Just to refresh our memories:  the bet is that the WC final will not get more than 18 million US viewers.  (It should, as that is a low number for the entire US...but I say it won''t).    Game tomorrow.    If you win, I bring you a decent Finger Lakes wine (you would have to tell me what sort).   I win, I get a nice Reisling. Loser brings the booty to the Jets game tailgate which is when we would likely next meet up.

[jiggins7919]

8 hours ago, Orion said:

...sums it up pretty well right there.

But there IS a difference this year because we have many New & Proven NFL players and personnel.  Dorsey, Haley, Landry, Tyrod, Hyde.  That's four of the most important offensive puzzle pieces.  It IS possible that those upgrades could make a substantial difference.  And then there's that jack-butt Josh Gordon.  He could be good, he could be great, he could be lazy and he could be in jail.  All in the same month.  - Our team right now is a bit of a wild card.  We're hard to predict at this point.

I've never wanted a player to succeed more than Josh Gordon. I work in a population devastated by addiction, people who came from nothing, those who just didn't have the love and support they needed growing up. I realize we're all responsible for our choices, but this is the first time Josh looks to have turned the corner, and I want it so bad for him. For all the ones kicked down by life and their bad decisions. Josh needs this for himself first and foremost, but also for his family. 

[mjp28]

9 hours ago, hoorta said:

Gip knows damn little about foot-ball.  https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44809493

I'll even predict I'm gonna lose a bottle of wine over this. If the Brits had made the final- I'd like my odds. FWIW, the underdog Croats have 5 guys that play on major European teams- including Real Madrid. 

PS: Just found out the next World Cup in Quatar is gonna be in December. Talk about a f-ck up. 10X worse than having Winter Olympic hockey. Can you imagine the NFL having to shut down for a month or two mid season so their guys could play in a tournament? Exactly what will happen in 4  years. 

I thought that was an interesting bet......but a bet is a bet.

And a world cup in Qatar, count me not going in person,  but 2026 in the GOOD OL' USA and Canada and Mexico in 2026 count me in, wait I'll be 76, I don't know if my battered body will wait that long. 

GO TEAM USA, baby!

[Zombo]

12 hours ago, boo fagley said:

Prior to the drought, Belichick had 5 Super Bowl rings. 3 as a Head Coach and 2 as the DC for the Giants.

He had coached in a total of 6 Super Bowls before the drought started and coached in 2 more Super Bowls during the drought that he lost. 8 Super Bowls on his resume.

Hey, they were calling for Tomlin to go before I said anything. Haley got the axe, but I will bet you Tomlin is next to go if he does not deliver Super Bowl appearance now. Ben has been very frustrated with Tomlin and threatened retirement twice.

Ben is quite the leader.

I think you need to familiarize yourself with how the Rooney's do business.

They have had 3 head coaches in 40 years. 

Noll and Cowher retired on their own terms.

They gave Cohwer 13 years to wins a SB and endured 3 losing season with him. Tomlin already has a ring an no losing seasons.

Chuck Noll was a .500 coach his last 11 years and they stuck with him. Tomlin's worst season is .500.

Rooney's don't care what the fans think, or what the players think, or what Boo Fagley thinks, they have their way of doing things. They're not changing coaches if Tomlin doesn't win the SB this year, that's ridiculous.

Zombo