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How To Kill 100,000 Iranians





From the Iranian Protests


Care to wonder how this will happen?


I’ve seen this movie before and as a student of this region, let me warn you:


The crowds did EXACTLY what the mullahs wanted them to do. To provide a wee bit of perspective, let us flip back to 1989 in world history. Does everyone remember this guy?




No, that’s not former General Motors Chairman Rick Wagoner standing in front of Obama’s anti-capitalist armored division. That is one of the most famous pictures in history of a Chinese soul about to get pancaked by the iron boot of Communist forces. The students and others who assembled in Tienanmen Square had their moment in the sun, letting the “world” know that they were there and against the repression of the Communist Party hierarchy in China. The result?




You got it. A crushing oppressive blow to the freedom movement and worse, the United States just paid lip service, which realistically is all it could do and the people felt somewhat betrayed that after the eight years of Reagan and the crushing of the Soviet Bear that the best we could do is lodge protests and proclaim that “engagement” was the best approach to this regime.


Funny while the Chinese were slaughtering those yearning for democracy in their nation in 1989, the tyranny of the Ayatollah Khomeini was coming to an end with his passing. A council of Mullahs emerged to dominate the political landscape and from this the oppression continued up until the modern day. The regimes may have changed faces with deceivingly evil ‘moderates’ appearing at random occasions at the whim of the religious dictatorship to open relations with oblivious western powers and Sheikdoms in the Persian Gulf weary of having a large hostile Islamic nation in their midst. During this entire period of time from 1979 to 2009 the United States has paid a tepid amount of attention to changing the landscape of Iranian politics even though President George H.W. Bush considered direct aid to the underground movement at the end of his term. There was no follow through since that time and President George W. Bush had the opportunity to do the same but again passed, indicating to the masses that the only support they would receive is a poorly run radio broadcast outlet from the United States Information Agency.


Along comes President Obama in 2009, with messages of hope and outreach to the Islamic masses in the hope of bridging the differences between the radicals and the people to establish a new Pax Americana in the region, a foolish endeavor marked by decades of inconsistencies by the American Department of State. To think that we could change a mindset centuries old that obstructed and frustrated empires from all regions of the world is typical of the arrogance we are portrayed to display to the rest of the world and the election results in Iran this past weekend are no exception.


On Friday, June 12, 2009, President Obama proclaimed:


“We are excited to see what appears to be a robust debate taking place in Iran, and obviously after the speech that I made in Cairo, we tried to send a clear message that we think there is the possibility of change.


Ultimately, the election is for the Iranians to decide. But just as has been true in Lebanon, what can be true in Iran as well, is that you’re seeing people looking at new possibilities and whoever ends up winning the election in Iran, the fact that there has been a robust debate hopefully will help advance our ability to engage them in new ways.”


Unfortunately for the rank amateurs running our foreign policy, again, at the State Department, Obama is used to dealing with and attempting friendships with tyrannical socialist to Marxist dictatorships and not Islamist zealots nor those sworn to destroy America. Iran’s mullahs have quickly and swiftly elected to eradicate the problem by first making a mockery of President Obama in the eyes of the citizens there and by extension, degrading or causing him to lose face on the Arab and Islamic street. While Hezbollah might have been defeated in Lebanon, the ideals of religious puritanism under the flag of Islam is still quite popular with the average Muslim and that is the miscalculation that every American President has made in the past twenty years. The mistakes of the past continue because the same group of clowns that run State are still there some thirty years later, incapable of changing their Woodstock ideological tunnel vision views of the world. These mistakes are about to cost thousands, perhaps tens of thousands Iranian citizens their lives.


In an authoritarian regime, the primary concerns of the leadership is not to “save face” as so many members of the mainstream media here incorrectly perceive. In fact the willing dupes of our mainstream media, both on the proverbial left and right, play into the desires of mullahs and dictators the world over, acting as honey to the flies, also called the oppressed citizens seeking freedom. The belief of these brave souls who marched much like their Chinese counterparts in 1989 was that America stood for something, Europe had any kind of a backbone, and that the rest of the world would lodge numerous protests and broadcast program after program proclaiming their point of view on the elections and that anyone would sacrifice their nation’s needs to help them.




The reality of the dictatorship is coming home again, a point the naive left and right in our nation will never accept because ideology always blinds them to reality. In the months ahead all of the video and audio created during these protests will be screened by the MOIS (Ministry of Intelligence and Security aka Vezarat-e Ettela’at va Amniat-e Keshvar - VEVAK) and roundups will begin on campuses nationwide. Instead of providing material support from the United States as they expected or helping these students, most will perish in work camps or simply be executed, along with their families banished or assassinated per the standard operating procedures of the Islamic state. The issue that most Americans can not perceive, along with those ignorant career bureaucrats in our government, is that within a structured Islamic state any attack on the government and its leadership, justified or not, is an attack on Islam and violates the holy tenants of the Koran as interpreted by the state. This powerful point is used to suppress the less educated and insure that compliance is total. By reducing the population of protesters and eliminating potential future disturbances the mullahs can insure their political survival for another decade as another naive American President flails about considering how to deal with their obstinacy.


By John Galt June 16, 2009


Unfortunately for President Obama, America will get the blame for upwards of 100,000 Iranians dying at the hands of the Iranian government.


And not one round of Israeli or American ammunition will be used during the slaughter.



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T I tend to give Obammy the benefit of the doubt here.

It's a damned if you do or don't situation.

Reagan was right to admonish Gorby to tear down the wall BUT that was looking inevitable AND he and Gorby had a relatively good relationship.

That qain't the case here.

Also we don't have much upside as both these guys are assholes though it's fun to see things break down in Iran.

If he goes too hard on the portesters corner they look like western pawns.

Not far enough and he looks impotent.


I actually think he's walking that line effectively so far.


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Except that Obumbly is not president of all us Americans, he's only president


of those who take part in polls.


And the polls said most wanted him to be more in support of the protesters.


So, he quickly came out more forceful in his support of the protestors,


which is a good thing. But WHY he did it, is a disgrace.


He has no principles upon which to base his decisions.







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It looks as if the protesters have settled down and have excepted their fate.



But I am sure we will here and see more this week.



Obama will be an oportunist in this matter any way you look at it. he has to make sure which side is going to win via popular opinion first. he is the self proclaimed Peace maker :lol: cairo?

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I believe the US doesn't need to interfere.


The Iranian people have wanted their country back for years now,


and it looks as if they will get it.


Reports from Fox is, the mullahs running the gov are divided, and


the Revolutionary Guard (Iranian version of future Acorn?) may very well


not be entirely on board with attacking their own people.


Could be some great history in the making. Gee, too bad the Iranian


people don't have the right to bear arms, eh?


They could fight back against an oppressive regime if they had.




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Well, my serious explanation is, Obama's actions are honed to reflect polls, which are hardly a legit


representation of all Americans across the board, and hardly reflects of what a principled President


would do, regardless of polls and political gain.


Lacking principles, and making decisions based on what I deem as polls dominated by liberal segments


of our country, (ie, polling NEA members, union members, etc), is just serving his base, and not


reflecting trying to do the right thing for all Americans.


So, since this is how I feel, it's quicker to say he isn't pres of all Americans. I could have added


as far as his partisan actions are concerned "


That help ? GGG



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>>Except that Obumbly is not president of all us Americans, he's only president of those who take part in polls.>>


I have to admit, Cal, you really got me with this one...........


<---------scratching my head with vigor.


Obama evidently has no jurisdiction over the United States of Cal.

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