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36 minutes ago, Ibleedbrown said:

Your bickering is dull. Perhaps try some yo mama material?

I didn't come here to bicker. I posted on this thread to make a bet. One that I will stand behind... Does any third party care to involve themselves in an escrow? Maybe "The Gipper" came here to bicker....

Gipper: referring to your original comment on my post, I put you in my profile because some homophobe had made a reference to Vagifag, or more accurately "Vagitron". I looked up that user on this forum, and I found it humorous that their location was inside your head. I thought it was actually fitting, because you seem like the type of person who gets easily worked up. Nothing personal. I had a good laugh though. Maybe someday you and I could learn to see eye to eye.

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1 hour ago, The Gipper said:

Yep....you have no fucking clue. Typical stupid Steeler fan.  

Well, I have run across your type before as well I would say.  In one aspect of my career,  I have had to put my fair share of you in jail.  In another aspect you would probably fit in with the few murderers (including one serial killer), rapists, thieves and spousal abusers that I have had to represent. Some in their criminal matters, a few others at their commitment hearings. You would fit right in. 

Gipper- just stop it- or I'm going to start deleting your posts. Leave the guy alone. He's the reasonable one, YOU'RE THE ONE STIRRING UP TROUBLE. That he's a Steeler fan is immaterial.  

1 hour ago, steelersfan412 said:

Define the terms of the bet please. I bet on statistics and probability, I need to know details.

Nope it's only one bet between me and Tour.

BTW steelersfan- if you haven't figured it out yet, you seem to be pretty intelligent- I'm one of the three Moderators here. The other two are Uber Moderator Zombo- who can do stuff I don't have access to, and Mark O.  And Gipper is seriously pissing me off targeting you with his BS. I already warned him in a PM to back off, but he's still doing the same argumentative crap. I'd hate to start giving him kiddie timeouts, since he's been around here forever- but if he gets me mad enough- I just might. 

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1 hour ago, steelersfan412 said:

Your weapon is not a gavel. That weapon belongs to a judge. If you represent, then you are a lawyer. Fairly close to the pond scum in which I despise.

246 Northland Drive.

I refer to this address because a quick google search reveals it is a close mental institution to your location. You really need some help.

And there it is, right on cue.  The lawyer hate because you got your sorry ass sued for whatever incompetence you may have engaged in.  As predictable as the sun rising in the east.   

And the fact is, I AM a magistrate.  Yes.  In fact,  the longest serving Mayor's Court magistrate in the state of Ohio.

And in case you do not know.. Alternative Paths is primarily a drug rehab center.  I am familiar with it.  Though I do not really refer people there, but to alternatives to that.

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53 minutes ago, steelersfan412 said:

I didn't come here to bicker. I posted on this thread to make a bet. One that I will stand behind... Does any third party care to involve themselves in an escrow? Maybe "The Gipper" came here to bicker....

Gipper: referring to your original comment on my post, I put you in my profile because some homophobe had made a reference to Vagifag, or more accurately "Vagitron". I looked up that user on this forum, and I found it humorous that their location was inside your head. I thought it was actually fitting, because you seem like the type of person who gets easily worked up. Nothing personal. I had a good laugh though. Maybe someday you and I could learn to see eye to eye.

First off, I am not the one that made that particular comment. Your apparently drug addled brain can't tell who has said what on here. 

I treat Steeler fans on here like flies.  I pull off their wings.  Its called "entertainment".  It is not getting worked up at all....it is just a bit of fun, because all you Steeler fans are always  predictable.  The same old shit...different name.  Blah, blah, blah, the world started in 1970....just about the time the Steelers pulled themselves out of 40 years of shit.  Nothing before that counts....yada, yada, yada.  It is why at some point you will get your "special" name treatment from the boss.   Just like all the others before you have (including your butt buddy Vag.)

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28 minutes ago, hoorta said:

Gipper- just stop it- or I'm going to start deleting your posts. Leave the guy alone. He's the reasonable one, YOU'RE THE ONE STIRRING UP TROUBLE. That he's a Steeler fan is immaterial.  

Nope it's only one bet between me and Tour.

BTW steelersfan- if you haven't figured it out yet, you seem to be pretty intelligent- I'm one of the three Moderators here. The other two are Uber Moderator Zombo- who can do stuff I don't have access to, and Mark O.  And Gipper is seriously pissing me off targeting you with his BS. I already warned him in a PM to back off, but he's still doing the same argumentative crap. I'd hate to start giving him kiddie timeouts, since he's been around here forever- but if he gets me mad enough- I just might. 

Sorry Larry...why are you cowtowing to this guy?  The argumentation is 80% on his behalf.  He is the one slinging the insults.  I was perfect civil...talking about offering to escrow that bet...but he started with the "delusional" BS.  Go back and read it. And look at his "location" on the side panel.  

But OK, I will leave him alone.  I know its not a fair fight. 

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3 minutes ago, hoorta said:

Gipper- just stop it- or I'm going to start deleting your posts. Leave the guy alone. He's the reasonable one, YOU'RE THE ONE STIRRING UP TROUBLE. That he's a Steeler fan is immaterial.  

Nope it's only one bet between me and Tour.

BTW steelersfan- if you haven't figured it out yet, you seem to be pretty intelligent- I'm one of the three Moderators here. The other two are Uber Moderator Zombo- who can do stuff I don't have access to, and Mark O.  And Gipper is seriously pissing me off targeting you with his BS. I already warned him in a PM to back off, but he's still doing the same argumentative crap. I'd hate to start giving him kiddie timeouts, since he's been around here forever- but if he gets me mad enough- I just might. 

Really? So I can't get in on the action? I thought I was making a safe bet, considering AB is facing a federal civil suit, which, by face has the probability of continuing for at the very least a couple months.... Well past week 10. No team would be willing to sign him with the league hanging a potential commissioner exemption hanging over his head.

You've got me pinned.... Most everyone I've met considers me highly intelligent. But I did not know you were a moderator before you locked the last topic I posted in. I failed to do enough research, as you were late to join the conversation. Zombo did post in that last topic, and wasn't very nice (if it is the same zombo whom you are speaking of). That isn't a good example to set. Zombo, I didn't come in here being nasty. So what if my name is steelersfan412? That doesn't make me a bad person with bad intentions. I'm not here to piss you off, only the gipper.

I don't think I've met Mark O. yet, I hope he is one of the more pleasant ones. I get along better with people who aren't on the attack all the time. Sit down, have a beer, a joint, whatever it is you prefer, and just talk and have a good time.

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35 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

And there it is, right on cue.  The lawyer hate because you got your sorry ass sued for whatever incompetence you may have engaged in.  As predictable as the sun rising in the east.   

And the fact is, I AM a magistrate.  Yes.  In fact,  the longest serving Mayor's Court magistrate in the state of Ohio.

And in case you do not know.. Alternative Paths is primarily a drug rehab center.  I am familiar with it.  Though I do not really refer people there, but to alternatives to that.

So why are you so upset? I'm sure you have seen pitiful lawyers come into your courtroom, trying to pass off some sort of far-fetched story as a defense. Something like: "My client murdered steelersfan412 because he said the browns have never one a superbowl! They have won 13 of them!!! My client is innocent!!!". You can see where it may give lawyers a bad name.

Before you speak, please do not go grasping at straws in which you cannot see. You do not know who I am. But I will tell you that I have never been sued. I have been in court once, for running a stop sign, when i was 17. Yes, it was a low point in my life.

I did not do any intensive reading into Alternative Paths. I searched for the closest mental facility to the location in your profile. I did so because you really, really should give them a call, even if their secondary mission is delusional paranoia.

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hoorta, Zombo, or Mark O.: Can you change my username to something unambiguous, that won't set people like Gipper off when I just type something on a keyboard? I'm fine with anything that is unarguably non-demeaning. I'm not here to wave a terrible towel in peoples faces. But it's probably best for people to know what team I usually root for.

My fathers name is George. Just change it to "Dr. George", if you can.

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45 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Sorry Larry...why are you cowtowing to this guy?  The argumentation is 80% on his behalf.  He is the one slinging the insults.  I was perfect civil...talking about offering to escrow that bet...but he started with the "delusional" BS.  Go back and read it. And look at his "location" on the side panel.  

But OK, I will leave him alone.  I know its not a fair fight. 

Really smart people are smart enough to not show off how smart they are- Gipper. 

I'll give you a true fer instance. In the Lab I worked in- we had a Doctor who when you first met and talked to him came off as sort of a goober. Never said a word about himself, but over several months I got this second hand from my coworkers. Lance went to Stanford Medical School. Impressive. Yeah, Lance also got a full free ride to Stanford Medical School. Say WHAT?  BTW, Lance also had the highest score in the country on the MedCats.  Makes perfect sense now. 

38 minutes ago, steelersfan412 said:

Really? So I can't get in on the action? I thought I was making a safe bet, considering AB is facing a federal civil suit, which, by face has the probability of continuing for at the very least a couple months.... Well past week 10. No team would be willing to sign him with the league hanging a potential commissioner exemption hanging over his head.

You've got me pinned.... Most everyone I've met considers me highly intelligent. But I did not know you were a moderator before you locked the last topic I posted in. I failed to do enough research, as you were late to join the conversation. Zombo did post in that last topic, and wasn't very nice (if it is the same zombo whom you are speaking of). That isn't a good example to set. Zombo, I didn't come in here being nasty. So what if my name is steelersfan412? That doesn't make me a bad person with bad intentions. I'm not here to piss you off, only the gipper.

I don't think I've met Mark O. yet, I hope he is one of the more pleasant ones. I get along better with people who aren't on the attack all the time. Sit down, have a beer, a joint, whatever it is you prefer, and just talk and have a good time.

Zombo can be pretty nasty to Steeler fans in general.... & I see you've rapidly figured out to post sarcasm in pink.  :) 

18 minutes ago, steelersfan412 said:

hoorta, Zombo, or Mark O.: Can you change my username to something unambiguous, that won't set people like Gipper off when I just type something on a keyboard? I'm fine with anything that is unarguably non-demeaning.

Only Z has enough Moderation power to alter screen names. I've told him more than once I think it's childish, low class, and please stop doing it.  If I was on that level, I would have changed a few of the names back. Don't egg Z on, or you just might wind up with a screen name you don't much like. 

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1 minute ago, hoorta said:

Really smart people are smart enough to not show off how smart they are- Gipper. 

I'll give you a true fer instance. In the Lab I worked in- we had a Doctor who when you first met and talked to him came off as sort of a goober. Never said a word about himself, but over several months I got this second hand from my coworkers. Lance went to Stanford Medical School. Impressive. Yeah, Lance also got a full free ride to Stanford Medical School. Say WHAT?  BTW, Lance also had the highest score in the country on the MedCats.  Makes perfect sense now. 

Zombo can be pretty nasty to Steeler fans in general....

Only Z has enough Moderation power to alter screen names. I've told him more than once I think it's childish, low class, and please stop doing it.  If I was on that level, I would have changed a few of the names back. Don't egg Z on, or you just might wind up with a screen name you don't much like. 

I defer, probably best not to egg Z on...

My point still stands however. I registered on this forum without the knowledge that this place would be so hostile. Z, can you please change my name to something that is unarguably unambiguous? We can discuss this in private if you prefer. This is your domain.

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3 minutes ago, steelersfan412 said:

I defer, probably best not to egg Z on...

My point still stands however. I registered on this forum without the knowledge that this place would be so hostile. Z, can you please change my name to something that is unarguably unambiguous? We can discuss this in private if you prefer. This is your domain.

It's only generally hostile to Steelers fans... I try to be respectful though, unlike some others.  We do have a few here that take the abuse in good humor...  BTW, I'm in the Survivor Pool, and on the way out I caught this one on Yahoo. Just one more thing that's going to make Antonio personna non grata to NFL teams....  https://www.yahoo.com/sports/antonio-brown-furniture-lawsuit-condo-nfl-235635031.html

I'm pretty sure my bet with Tour is pretty safe, and getting safer by the minute.  :D  

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Oh, I am well aware of the property damage lawsuit. I live in Pittsburgh and there is a radio in my car.... I've Heard enough about it to, well, renew my subscription to Sirius XM.... because music is music. Oh how nice it is to hear some music every now and then. Your bet is incredibly safe with Tour, but I don't think the condo furniture lawsuit has anything to do with it. The league doesn't seem to care nearly as much about personal property damage as it does about sexual and abuse scandals. I can't fault them for that though, as I personally see sexual assault and abuse cases far more important than a property damage case, even if it is just a civil suit.

I've read many different stories, and many different opinions on whether or not AB is guilty or being set up for this. Screenshots of messages, the exact timing of everything that has transpired. It all matters not, in terms of football (Whether you think this is fair or not is a separate argument). The league generally plays it safe when it comes to this, and keeping the possibility of a commissioner exempt list on the back burner while AB is a free agent is, i would say, almost a guarantee that no team will sign him until this lawsuit is over and the league has 'finished' with their investigation (the league isn't going to finish until the federal civil suit has been settled).

 

 

# Edit: I may add, there is more than one accuser as well. It wouldn't be unheard of for additional accusers to come forth, and additional lawsuits to be filed. This could go on for... well sorry Tour that you're going to lose this bet... years. Even ones who haven't been assaulted or harassed may try to get in on this. It's not like it hasn't happened before.

And by no means am I sticking up for AB and saying he is innocent. I, as anyone else, know almost nothing in terms of facts regarding the current lawsuit. I'm simply pointing out the fact that AB has earned a large sum of money, and it is not uncommon for people to make false claims to try to obtain a portion of it.

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Really smart people are smart enough to not show off how smart they are- Gipper.

Well...I agree with the guy that reciting facts that can be looked up does not take smarts.  (but...doing "research" is what smart people do when they are looking for information).  But, it is certainly not smart when presented with the facts to deny their existence...or to take some revisionist history associated with those facts. 

Also, Larry, on a side note associated with that geographical issue we discussed.  Correct me if I am wrong, but you seemed to say that we could not include the Canton and Akron titles in with Cleveland titles for purposes of determining which titles were won by "Cleveland teams". (though can I assume you would still include  the Cleveland Bulldogs and Cleveland Rams titles?).  

But, here is the thing.....  I had said that if you say that, then by rights, if Akron/Canton is considered a separate geographic entity...titles earned there not capable of being  claimed by the Greater Cleveland area, then also by rights  IF the Cavaliers had won  a title when they had played at the Richfield Coliseum, then Greater Cleveland could not have claimed it either, as Richfield IS a suburb of Akron.  (despite the team's name).  I know this for several reasons:    I was for a time the Magistrate for the Richfield Mayor's Court, and that court was under the jurisdiction of the Akron Municipal Court (not Cleveland/Cuyahoga County).   Also, the local High School is the Revere school district (which is a combination of both several political entities...Bath Twp. Richfield Village, Richfield Twp. plus a bit of Fairlawn and a bit of Copley....and it plays all AkSummit/Medina area schools, though it may also compete against Brecksville .

Of course, it is superfluous, as they never did win until they went downtown. 

But, I still think the DMA approach is best.  (it is, after all what the leagues go by in their marketing concepts. )

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1 hour ago, steelersfan412 said:

So why are you so upset? I'm sure you have seen pitiful lawyers come into your courtroom, trying to pass off some sort of far-fetched story as a defense. Something like: "My client murdered steelersfan412 because he said the browns have never one a superbowl! They have won 13 of them!!! My client is innocent!!!". You can see where it may give lawyers a bad name.

No, actually, I have never seen anything like that.  And trust me, I am the one with the experience in this area.   Lawyers are obligated to zealously represent their clients, and they generally do that very well.   Lawyers get bad names primarily because they  go after people....and people don't like to be "gone after"....even if it is eminently justified.   

Before you speak, please do not go grasping at straws in which you cannot see. You do not know who I am.

Nor do I care....though you must have presumed that I did. 

But I will tell you that I have never been sued. I have been in court once, for running a stop sign, when i was 17. Yes, it was a low point in my life.

So? Then your lawyer hate is just something nefarious, spurious, wholly unjustified by any particular experience?  And given that I assume then that if at some point in fact you were to be sued, that you would undertake your own pro se defense rather than stooping to hiring an actual lawyer to defend you? Because, after all, why would you want to turn for help from a profession you disdain. Right?  (No, I didn't think so)

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3 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Really smart people are smart enough to not show off how smart they are- Gipper.

Well...I agree with the guy that reciting facts that can be looked up does not take smarts.  (but...doing "research" is what smart people do when they are looking for information).  But, it is certainly not smart when presented with the facts to deny their existence...or to take some revisionist history associated with those facts. 

Also, Larry, on a side note associated with that geographical issue we discussed.  Correct me if I am wrong, but you seemed to say that we could not include the Canton and Akron titles in with Cleveland titles for purposes of determining which titles were won by "Cleveland teams". (though can I assume you would still include  the Cleveland Bulldogs and Cleveland Rams titles?).  

But, here is the thing.....  I had said that if you say that, then by rights, if Akron/Canton is considered a separate geographic entity...titles earned there not capable of being  claimed by the Greater Cleveland area, then also by rights  IF the Cavaliers had won  a title when they had played at the Richfield Coliseum, then Greater Cleveland could not have claimed it either, as Richfield IS a suburb of Akron.  (despite the team's name).  I know this for several reasons:    I was for a time the Magistrate for the Richfield Mayor's Court, and that court was under the jurisdiction of the Akron Municipal Court (not Cleveland/Cuyahoga County).   Also, the local High School is the Revere school district (which is a combination of both several political entities...Bath Twp. Richfield Village, Richfield Twp. plus a bit of Fairlawn and a bit of Copley....and it plays all AkSummit/Medina area schools, though it may also compete against Brecksville .

Of course, it is superfluous, as they never did win until they went downtown. 

But, I still think the DMA approach is best.  (it is, after all what the leagues go by in their marketing concepts. )

Gip, lets try to be civil and polite here....

IF the Cleavland Cavaliers had won a title, in Richfield Coliseum, I personally would count that as a greater Cleavland title. It doens't matter where the title was won, so much as the team was based within the greater Cleveland area. Of course, "based" could mean many different things, but if they were based in Richfield, wouldn't they have been called the Richfield Cavaliers? I'll refrain from Steelers talk here, but the Pens won their fifth stanley cup in Nashville in 2017. They weren't the Nashville Pens, they were the Pittsburgh Pens. Point is, I don't think it matters where the team plays at or won at, it is where they are based at. And in this case, the Cleveland Cavaliers were "based" in Cleveland. Marketing concepts matter.

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43 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

So why are you so upset? I'm sure you have seen pitiful lawyers come into your courtroom, trying to pass off some sort of far-fetched story as a defense. Something like: "My client murdered steelersfan412 because he said the browns have never one a superbowl! They have won 13 of them!!! My client is innocent!!!". You can see where it may give lawyers a bad name.

No, actually, I have never seen anything like that.  And trust me, I am the one with the experience in this area.   Lawyers are obligated to zealously represent their clients, and they generally do that very well.   Lawyers get bad names primarily because they  go after people....and people don't like to be "gone after"....even if it is eminently justified.   

Before you speak, please do not go grasping at straws in which you cannot see. You do not know who I am.

Nor do I care....though you must have presumed that I did. 

But I will tell you that I have never been sued. I have been in court once, for running a stop sign, when i was 17. Yes, it was a low point in my life.

So? Then your lawyer hate is just something nefarious, spurious, wholly unjustified by any particular experience?  And given that I assume then that if at some point in fact you were to be sued, that you would undertake your own pro se defense rather than stooping to hiring an actual lawyer to defend you? Because, after all, why would you want to turn for help from a profession you disdain. Right?  (No, I didn't think so)

Yes, you have experience in that area. Lawyers are obligated to zealously represent their clients, and generally do that very well. This does not negate the fact that there are some lawyers who represent their clients so zealously to the point in which they may twist the facts in their favor. Maybe you were one of those lawyers at one point in time, I do not know. You have however demonstrated that is well within your capabilities in your interactions with me over the past few days.

I presumed you cared because you brought it up. Oops, my bad.

No, my lawyer hate comes from my experience of dating two of them. Two for two, they were both pond scum. I'm sorry that tainted my opinion of the rest of them. I actually personally witnessed one of them twist the law around so much she managed to get a convicted two-time rapist off of a third rape charge because the jury seemed too confused to comprehend the prosecution's case. Hey, it was her job to zealously represent, and I was not the jury, so he was innocent of that crime. I digress....

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36 minutes ago, flyingfooldoug said:

Con artist trouble maker. Research my ass. More like a sad sack missing his star WR and now QB that wants to cause disruption on The Cleveland Browns Board.  Give him a inch and regret it.  Typical arrogant stealer jerkoff

Would you like to follow that up with another childish pictographic put-down?

You're going to need to do better.

No, I am not here because my "sad sack" is missing my "star WR and now QB". That is what it is. I joined this forum because I wanted to have an intelligent conversation with intelligent people about what the browns have been doing with their team, which I think is on a path to success. Sadly, I've been met with the type of the likes of you, who seem like they have nothing to say but unintelligible gibberish because they don't have enough brain cells to form a complete thought. Well, Gip can form a thought, it just doesn't make sense in this reality. 😜

 

Ya damn Jagoff.... 😁

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4 hours ago, The Gipper said:

 And look at his "location" on the side panel. 

Yes Gip, there is a reason that I did this.

You came at me hard. Being a magistrate, you of all people should know the significance of a bias. You should have treated me fairly, in spite of my username, as an unbiased judge should do.

I know it wasn't you who pointed this other user out previously, but I did look at some of "Vagitron's" past posts and, It is clear how easily he set you off. You've got big buttons that are easy to push... And yes, that makes me want to push them. I'm sure there are other people, even those you call your friends, that want to push those big buttons.


I don't know this Vagitron guy, but I didn't come here to set you off. I didn't know you existed before a few days ago. I think both you and I can agree that we are both smart men. Can you and I just both drop the B.S. and quit bothering each other? I don't mind if you make a clearly sarcastic remark, all in good fun, every now and then, but you've got to let the fact that I'm from Pittsburgh stop bothering you.

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8 hours ago, The Gipper said:

No, actually, I have never seen anything like that.  And trust me, I am the one with the experience in this area.   Lawyers are obligated to zealously represent their clients, and they generally do that very well.   Lawyers get bad names primarily because they  go after people....and people don't like to be "gone after"....even if it is eminently justified.   

Well I have issues with Ambulance Chasers Gip. I admit sometimes it's legit, but all too often I'm hurt, somebody owes me a ton of money. We have an ongoing case in Dayton where the police shot and killed a guy in a Wal-Mart, brandishing an air rifle- the police told him to drop it- nope? Sorry you're dead. The family is suing everyone and everything for wrongful death. When I was up in Cleveland for the Redskins preseason game this guy Tim Misny had billboards all over the city. "I'll make them pay". We have a legal group in Dayton about the same. Elk & Elk are statewide, and they're primarily in the same racket. Only time I've ever though about suing anyone was when I bought my house- the owner hired a fly by night unlicensed plumber who did a shoddy repair job-and I specifically put in the sales contract what needed to be done. I eventually had to correct that crap on my own- in today's dollars it was probably around $3,000 bucks worth of repairs. 

 

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PS if some of you haven't noticed, I deleted a bunch of the personal attacks. If you want to call someone an asshole, there's the Political Forum where it's open season on that kind of stuff. I'll tolerate some, but when it goes over the top & persists- it's gone.  Just a friendly reminder.  

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47 minutes ago, hoorta said:

PS if some of you haven't noticed, I deleted a bunch of the personal attacks. If you want to call someone an asshole, there's the Political Forum where it's open season on that kind of stuff. I'll tolerate some, but when it goes over the top & persists- it's gone.  Just a friendly reminder.  

Understood.

 

AB's deposition in the furniture tossing case was today. There's now some video footage out of it. I'm sitting back and grabbing some popcorn for this.

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