Military REVOKES order for soldier to ship out

[calfoxwc]

OH, THIS should be interesting.

 

Transparent? ROF,L ! You have GOT to be kidding libs !

 

But, I can see a lot of trouble heading our way IF it IS determined,

 

that Obama was not born in this country.

 

Seems to be the only reason his records are kept a secret.

 

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104009

 

 

[choco]

even more interesting...

 

 

when did this guy volunteer.....read that word again, slowly this time.....VOLUNTEER to be deployed from the reserves to afghanistan?

[Guest mz.]

Back on the Obama's not American thing again?

[choco]

there is some merit to the fact that the fed backed down and rescinded the orders.

 

have they ever done that?

[ballpeen]

I don't know.....but it is a story that continues to have legs.

 

One way or another it needs to conclude.

 

Either the guy is a natural born citizen or he isn't and needs to be impeached and imprisoned for fraud immediately.

 

Everybody on this board has had to produced a legit birth certificate at one time or another in their lifetime.

[Guest mz.]

I don't know.....but it is a story that continues to have legs.

 

It isn't a story and it has no legs. It only has legs around these parts, at tea parties and in Hannity chat rooms. I'm serious. Nobody I've ever met in "real life" thinks this way.

[ballpeen]

It isn't a story and it has no legs. It only has legs around these parts, at tea parties and in Hannity chat rooms. I'm serious. Nobody I've ever met in "real life" thinks this way.

 

 

Sorry man....this is real life...this isn't fantasy.

 

[Guest mz.]

Sorry man....this is real life...this isn't fantasy.

 

I'm aware. You're the one who thinks our President may be from Mars.

 

[ballpeen]

I'm aware. You're the one who thinks our President may be from Mars.

 

 

Produce a quote where I said he is from Mars. I insist.

 

 

 

 

[Guest mz.]

Fine.

 

How about "not America"?

[ballpeen]

Fine.

 

How about "not America"?

 

I don't know that. I just wonder why this keeps creeping to the front?

 

How hard should it be to put the story to rest??

 

That is all I want....I don't know what has been produced and what hasn't....I do know we now have the military changing orders for some guy who might or might not be a nut, on some accusation the president is a illegal president.

 

I am beginning to wonder if the military might have some intel we may not have at this point.

 

It isn't a question that intrigues you???

 

It should seeing you are in here all the time and act like a political expert.

 

I am not ripping you.....just perplexed you are eager to shrug it off so easily..

 

Really mz the pussy...it is a easy story to put to rest if you have the documentation.

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. T]

A good question that should be asked is Mr President, Why wont you allow anyone to see the real proof of your birth certificate?

 

Why wont you allow this, unless you have something to hide.

 

 

 

Does the poor scmuck have something to hide? And was he vetted?

 

 

Who Vetted Obama?

[Mr. T]

Consider these facts about Obama:

 

1. Occidental College records -- Not released

2. Columbia College records -- Not released

3. Columbia Thesis paper -- not available, locked down by faculty

4. Harvard College records -- Not released, locked down by faculty

5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released

6. Medical records -- Not released

7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- 'not available'

8. Law practice client list -- Not released

9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate - - Not released

10. Harvard Law Review articles published -- None

11. University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None

12. His Record of baptism-- Not released or 'not available'

13. His Illinois State Senate records--'not available'

[ballpeen]

Are they indeed facts??

[Guest mz.]

T, the reason you can't find any articles Obama wrote while working at the law review is probably because he was EDITOR there.

 

Barack Obama's Law Personality:

Harvard Law Review's first black president plans a life of public service. His multicultural background gives him unique perspective.

 

 

By Tammerlin Drummond

Times Staff Writer

 

Barack Obama stares silently at a wall of fading black-and-white photographs in the muggy second-floor offices of the Harvard Law Review. He lingers over one row of solemn faces, his predecessors of 40 years ago.

 

All are men. All are dressed in dark-colored suits and ties. All are white.

 

It is a sobering moment for Obama, 28, who in February became the first black to be elected president in the 102-year history of the prestigious student-run law journal.

 

The post, considered the highest honor a student can attain at Harvard Law School, almost always leads to a coveted clerkship with the U.S. Supreme Court after graduation and a lucrative offer from the law firm of one's choice.

 

Yet Obama, who has gone deep into debt to meet the $25,000-a-year cost of a Harvard Law School education, has left many in disbelief by asserting that he wants neither.

 

"One of the luxuries of going to Harvard Law School is it means you can take risks in your life," Obama said recently. "You can try to do things to improve society and still land on your feet. That's what a Harvard education should buy-enough confidence and security to pursue your dreams and give something back."

 

After graduation next year, Obama says he probably will spend two years at a corporate law firm, then look for community work. Down the road, he plans to run for public office.

 

The son of a Kenyan economist and an American anthropologist, Obama is a tall man with a quick, boyish smile whose fellow students rib him about his trademark tattered blue jeans.

 

"I come from a lot of worlds and I have had the unique opportunity to move through different circles," Obama said. "I have worked and lived in poor black communities and I can translate some of their concerns into words that the larger society can embrace."

 

His own upbringing is a blending of diverse cultures. Born in Hawaii, where his parents met in college, Obama was named Barack (blessed in Arabic) after his father. The elder Obama was among a generation of young Africans who came to the United States to study engineering, finance and medicine, skills that could be taken back home to build a new, strong Africa. In Hawaii, he married Obama's mother, a white American from Wichita, Kan.

 

Two years later, Obama's parents separated and he moved to a small village outside Jakarta, Indonesia, with his mother, an anthropologist. There, he spent his boyhood playing with the sons and daughters of rice farmers and rickshaw drivers, attending an Indonesian-speaking school, where he had little contact with Americans.

 

Every morning at 5, his mother would wake him to take correspondence classes for fear he would forget his English.

 

It was in Indonesia, Obama said, where he first became aware of abject poverty and despair.

 

"It left a very strong mark on me living there because you got a real sense of just how poor folks can get," he said. "You'd have some army general with 24 cars and if he drove one once then eight servants would come around and wash it right away. But on the next block, you'd have children with distended bellies who just couldn't eat."

 

After six years in Indonesia, Obama was sent back to the United States to live with his maternal grandparents in Hawaii in preparation for college. It was then that he began to correspond with his father, a senior economist for the Kenyan finance ministry who recounted intriguing tales of an African heritage that Obama knew little about.

 

Obama treasured his father's tales of walking miles to school, using a machete to hack a path through the elephant grass-the legends and traditions of the Luo tribe, a proud people who inhabited the shores of Lake Victoria.

 

He still carries a passbook that belonged to his grandfather, an herbalist who was the first family member to leave the small Kenyan village of Alego, move to the city and don Western clothes.

 

"He was a cook and he used to have to carry this passbook to work for the English," Obama recalls. "At the age of 46 it had this description of him that said, `He's a colored boy, he's responsible and he's a good cook.' "

 

Two generations later, at the most widely respected legal journal in the country, the grandson of the cook is giving the orders.

 

Yet some of Obama's peers question the motives of this second-year law student. They find it puzzling that despite Obama's openly progressive views on social issues, he has also won support from staunch conservatives. Ironically, he has come under the most criticism from fellow black students for being too conciliatory toward conservatives and not choosing more blacks to other top positions on the law review.

 

"He's willing to talk to them (the conservatives) and he has a grasp of where they are coming from, which is something a lot of blacks don't have and don't care to have," said Christine Lee, a second-year law student who is black. "His election was significant at the time, but now it's meaningless because he's becoming just like all the others (in the Establishment)."

 

Although some question what personal goals motivate Obama, his interest in social issues is deeply grounded.

 

At Occidental College in Los Angeles, Obama studied international relations and spent much of his time helping to organize anti-apartheid protests. In his junior year, he transferred to Columbia University, "more for what (New York City) had to offer than for the education," he said.

 

After graduating, Obama landed a job writing manuals for a New York-based international trade publication. Once his college loans were paid off, he took a $13,000-a-year job as director for the Developing Communities Project, a church-based social action group in Chicago.

 

There, he and a coalition of ministers set out to improve living conditions in poor neighborhoods plagued by crime and high unemployment. Obama helped form a tenants' rights group in the housing projects and established a job training program.

 

"I took a chance and it paid off," he said. "It was probably the best education that I've ever had."

 

After four years, Obama decided it was time to move on. He wanted to learn how to use the political system to effect social change. He set his sights on Harvard Law School, where he quickly distinguished himself as a top student. He was soon chosen through the strength of his writing and grades to serve as one of 80 student editors on the law review.

 

Unlike many peer-review professional journals, the law review is run solely by students. It is widely considered the major forum for current legal debate and consequently is watched closely by courts around the country.

 

In his second year at law school, Obama decided to run for law review president after a conversation with a black friend.

 

"I said I was not planning to run and he said, `Yes you are because that is a door that needs to be kicked down and you can take it down.' "

 

It was a marathon selection process, an arcane throwback to the early days of the review. The students editors deliberated behind closed doors from 8:30 a.m. until early the next day. The 19 anxious candidates took turns cooking breakfast, lunch and dinner for the selection committee, whose members emerged with a historic decision.

 

"Before I could say a word, another black student who was running just came up and grabbed me and hugged me real hard," Obama recalled. "It was then that I knew it was more than just about me. It was about us. And I am walking through a lot of doors that had already been opened by others."

 

But few students at the law review were prepared for the deluge of interview requests for Obama from newspapers, radio and television stations. Strange letters of congratulations began arriving.

 

Shortly after the elections, a package turned up at the law review office with no return address. Obama said he hesitated to open it because of the spree of recent mail bombings targeted at civil rights activists nationwide. When the package was finally opened, inside were two packages of dim sum, with no explanation. Some students made light of the media invasion, posting a memo titled "The Barack Obama Story, a Made for TV Movie, Starring Blair Underwood as Barack Obama."

 

Yet tensions were building. White students grumbled about the attention paid to Obama's race. Black students criticized him for not choosing more blacks for other top positions at the review. Caught in the cross-fire, Obama, who has a tendency toward understatement, downplayed his own achievements.

 

"For every one of me, there are thousands of young black kids with the same energies, enthusiasm and talent that I have who have not gotten the opportunity because of crime, drugs and poverty," he said. "I think my election does symbolize progress but I don't want people to forget that there is still a lot of work to be done."

 

Describing Obama, fellow students and professors point to a self-confidence tempered by modesty as one of his greatest attributes.

 

"He's very unusual, in the sense that other students who might have something approximating his degree of insight are very intimidating to other students or inconsiderate and thoughtless," said Laurence Tribe, a constitutional law professor. "He's able to build upon what other students say and see what's valuable in their comments without belittling them."

 

But what truly distinguishes Obama from other bright students at Harvard Law, Tribe said, is his ability to make sense of complex legal arguments and translate them into current social concerns. For example, Tribe said, Obama wrote an insightful research article showing how contrasting views in the abortion debate are a direct result of cultural and sociological differences.

 

As law review president, Obama is the last person to edit student articles, as well as longer pieces by accomplished legal scholars. The review publishes eight times a year and receives about 600 free-lance articles each year.

 

Referring to his fellow students at the review, whom he edits, he said: "These are the people who will be running the country in some form or other when they graduate. If I'm talking to a white conservative who wants to dismantle the welfare state, he has the respect to listen to me and I to him. That's the biggest value of the Harvard Law Review. Ideas get fleshed out and there is no party line to follow."

 

Obama spends 50 to 60 hours each week on law review business. The full-time volunteer job leaves little time for an additional 12 hours of class, plus homework. When it comes to choosing between the two, as it often does, Obama usually misses class.

 

One of Obama's most difficult tasks as editor in chief is keeping the peace amid the clashing egos of writers and editors.

 

"He is very, very diplomatic," said Radhika Rao, 24, a third-year law student from Lexington, Ind. "He is very outgoing and has a lot of experience in handling people, which stands him in good stead."

 

Tina Ulrich, 24, a third-year student, wrote an article for the review that went through several editors before her final draft landed on Obama's desk.

 

"When he sent it back, it had lots of tiny print all over it and I was just furious," she said. "My heart just sank. But it was accompanied by specific examples of how parts could be made better. He wound up getting an enthusiastic response from a very tired writer."

 

Outside the review, other blacks at Harvard are skeptical that Obama's appointment will change much at the Ivy League institution, where 180 out of 1,601 law students are black.

 

"While I applaud Obama's achievement, I guess I am not as hopeful for what this will mean for other blacks at Harvard," said Derrick Bell, the school's first black tenured law professor.

 

"There is a strange character to this black achievement. When you have someone that reaches this high level, you find that he is just deemed exceptional and it does not change society's view of all of the rest."

 

via here.

 

Now show me your list of accomplishments, 'peen/T.

[calfoxwc]

But getting BACK TO THE SUBJECT of the THREAD:

 

It is odd that the military revoked the order.

 

Something is up, methinks.

 

Lawsuits being thrown out, with no comment?

 

Something is really up.

 

I honestly don't believe he was born in the U.S.

 

But, I wish he had proven he was before the election.

 

The reason his records are "secret" is.... we are off the mark,

 

to hazard guesses as to why.

 

And, why others won't admit it is perplexing, and dangerous.

 

Society could freak if he was found to not be qualified as far as birth.

 

Too bad McCain was a wimp about the subject.

[Mr. T]

T, the reason you can't find any articles Obama wrote while working at the law review is probably because he was EDITOR there.

 

 

 

via here.

 

Now show me your list of accomplishments, 'peen/T.

 

"While I applaud Obama's achievement, I guess I am not as hopeful for what this will mean for other blacks at Harvard," said Derrick Bell, the school's first black tenured law professor.

 

 

no bias here, or is it?

[Mr. T]

But getting BACK TO THE SUBJECT of the THREAD:

 

It is odd that the military revoked the order.

 

Something is up, methinks.

 

Lawsuits being thrown out, with no comment?

 

Something is really up.

 

I honestly don't believe he was born in the U.S.

 

But, I wish he had proven he was before the election.

 

The reason his records are "secret" is.... we are off the mark,

 

to hazard guesses as to why.

 

And, why others won't admit it is perplexing, and dangerous.

 

Society could freak if he was found to not be qualified as far as birth.

 

Too bad McCain was a wimp about the subject.

 

 

Wait until his approval ratings dip to the 40's then people will stand up and shout for his removal.

 

Otherwise those who are in love with the illegal alien will continue to worship his every word.

[Guest mz.]

Now show me your list of accomplishments, 'peen/T.

 

 

[ballpeen]

Now show me your list of accomplishments, 'peen/T

 

LOL...why should I??

 

Like I said, I don't know what is indeed fact and what may be anywhere from pure fabrication to some bending of the facts.

 

As to editor..there are 80 editors, and he was elected president.

 

The president of the review usually writes the foreward each year.

 

That would be easy enough to check if he did so.

[choco]

there's a simple way to shut this entire story down....

 

 

reproduce it. anyone would do it if they could, so whats to gain by hiding it?

 

 

 

 

i normally hate this conspiracy crap, but whats the xxxxin hold up. instead of pertitioning the federal records and producing the document, in court, the lawsuit was dismissed and orders recinded?

 

 

 

that really sounds normal to you mz the pussy.? the fed backing down from a private citizen? this story wouldn't have legs if he'd just produce the legal document? whats the xxxxing holdup?

 

 

 

one other wierd thing here is that this reservist volunteered in MAY for duty in May.....then decided not to go. under his excuse, he should not have volunteered. so something else is amiss as well....

[heckofajobbrownie]

I know this probably isn't going to matter to our resident crazies, but not everyone falls into that category.

 

The Major's orders were revoked because as a volunteer reservist who is not part of a unit he can ask for his orders to be revoked up until the day he deploys. In short, he asked, and the military said fine. It didn't matter why he was asking.

 

His lawsuit has also been thrown out, as what he was suing to prevent (his deployment) has already been prevented.

 

As for the birth certificate nonsense, I don't know what to tell you. This was never news. It's been settled for months. It only persists because people have some interest in believing this nonsense. It was even a court case that was thrown out and ridiculed.

 

You can see a copy of Obama's birth certificate online. The state of Hawaii has verified it's authenticity. They have the original on file. You can also find his birth announcements in two Hawaii newspapers. You can talk to people who remember his birth.

 

As for why he doesn't produce the original document or address the charges, I suspect the White House enjoys watching their adversaries make themselves look foolish as they waste their time on a nonsensical conspiracy theory.

 

But I wonder if any of this will change your minds. I think we can be sure T will take this to his grave. I wouldn't have high hopes for Cal either. But I would hope the rest of you could shake this one off and move on.

[calfoxwc]

That is not his birth certificate in long form.

 

LONG form, Heck. You drink the koolaid like

 

you're addicted to it. And, the constant slurs

 

like "crazy" etc, cast a dismal shadow on

 

what is alleged, by you, to be your education

 

on matters.

 

Coming along late, then whining that the case was thrown out...

 

is childish.

 

The REAL long-form version of Obama's Birth Certificate is

 

SEALED in Hawaii.

 

We're saying unseal the freakin long form. We're saying,

 

UNHIDE college records for OBama.

 

Either put up, or shut up, Obama. But the "evidence"

 

is not what is SEALED in Hawaii.

 

But, I'll let Steve explain that to you about a hundred ways

 

so you might admit it is a case for wondering "wth???"

[heckofajobbrownie]

Uh huh...

 

Like I said, I don't imagine evidence would be enough for crazies like Cal. They're too invested in their own bullshit.

[calfoxwc]

Perhaps, Hecksies Wrecksies, you could have cooksies in Hawaii,

 

and get the LONG FORM OF THE REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE unsealed.

 

If after that, it does show he was born in the US, I will apologise.

 

But they won't. They won't release his college records either.

 

Which would show where he was born...

 

Put that evidence up, that's all ya need to do.

 

And I know Steve is getting your goat, but don't be sucking your thumb

 

when you type, you make little sense now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[heckofajobbrownie]

Ha. I'd be happy to let others decide who is making more sense, me or you.

 

The state of Hawaii has certified that he was born there and that they have his birth certificate on file. You can see a copy of it online.

 

But by all means, don't let me stop you. I hope the wingnuts keep this up all the way until the next election and beyond. It's a wonderful window into your world for all of America to see.

[calfoxwc]

Ha. I'd be happy to let others decide who is making more sense, me or you.

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Sure, but I never said anything about a popularity contest.

 

Typical - you just changed the subject AGAIN.

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The state of Hawaii has certified that he was born there and that they have his birth certificate on file. You can see a copy of it online.

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Wrong, that is the short form. It was standard back then, but it does NOT mean he was born in Hawaii.

 

It is a certificate of him being in Hawaii and needing a birth certificate.

 

That is not the long form that is SEALED. and Hawaii

 

is very Democratic. Have you ever heard of a conservative pres who had all his college records and birth certificate

 

kept a high-profile secret?

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But by all means, don't let me stop you. I hope the wingnuts keep this up all the way until the next election and beyond. It's a wonderful window into your world for all of America to see.

 

 

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When will Hecksies see Obama's college records? Why are they also kept hidden? It's interesting

 

that you are so loyal to liberalism. I used to think you could think. Now, you're just another dipstick

 

that couldn't care less to have a legimate conservation or to share ideas. Now wonder Steve

 

has kicked your rear end time and time again. It is GREAT fun to watch, Little Hecksies !

[heckofajobbrownie]

Cal, I'll try one more time. Since this nonsense started, people - both the people working at the registrars office in Hawaii and journalists from the AP and FactCheck - have examined Obama's actual birth certificate. You can find pictures of the actual birth certificate online.

 

"FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said."

 

But like I said, don't let any of this stop you. I have no intention of ruining your day.

[Chicopee John]

LOL, T, the guy preaches 'Transparency'.

[Guest mz.]

Cal, you're truly geting sicker and sicker by the day. I mean, what you're writing is, with all honesty, the ramblings of a troubled person. You're at the point where you'll dis an article/thread posted by someone without even reading it (see the combat stress one I posted yesterday as an example). You retort by repeating the same shit over and over and over again. You have this paranoid delusion that all of the mods here are Liberal and desire to stifle your speech. You constantly talk in baby talk. You constantly forsake real sources for garbage (there are PLENTY of real conservative sources for you to use, but you're intent on C&P trash). You complain nonfcukingstop. It's boring, man. It's lame. It's frustrating. I'm actually embarrassed to be involved. And with my involvement. I'm tired of wallowing in this neverending mess of a "debate" with you. You're a 58 year old man who is nothing more than a whining child, while all the while accusing everyone else of whining. It's really no fun, and a monumental waste of time. You don't listen to a word anyone ever says to you. You're nothing more than the old guy who sends his soup back because it's too cold, only to send it back again, upon receipt, because it's too hot.

 

I can't believe how much time I've wasted trying to discuss anything with you. If you have any response, PM me, because from now on, for sanity's sake, and for the sake of the others on this board who can, for some reason, still tolerate your shit, you're on permanent ignore.

 

Mike