Pumpkin Eater Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Well, the fact that there was a birth annoucement in Honolulu's newspaper at the time of his birth should put this issue about a "fake" birth certificate to rest. Some still don't want to believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted July 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Thanks, Pumpkin. Does anyone want to explain how that got in the Honolulu paper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Thanks, Pumpkin. Does anyone want to explain how that got in the Honolulu paper? It was Castro. He's a friend of the family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted July 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Ha. Look, even the National Review is trying to distance themselves from their party's own crazies: "The attention paid to President Obama’s place of birth is not unprecedented. In fact, it may be the only thing President Obama has in common with Pres. Chester Arthur, whose opponents whispered that he had been born in Canada. A number of unsuccessful presidential candidates—George Romney, Barry Goldwater, and Lowell Weicker among them—actually were born outside of the United States (in Mexico, the Arizona Territory, and Paris, respectively) to American parents and thereby into American citizenship. If the conspiracy theorists have evidence that President Obama went through the naturalization process, let them show it. But there is no such evidence, because this theory is based on unreality, as two minutes’ examining the claims of its proponents reveals. The hallmark of a conspiracy theory is that a lack of evidence for the theory is taken as yet more evidence for the theory. Indeed, the maddening thing about dealing with conspiracy hobbyists of this or any sort is the ever-shifting nature of their argument and their alleged evidence: Never mind the birth certificate, his step-grandmother said he was born in Kenya! (No, she didn’t.)" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Ha. Look, even the National Review is trying to distance themselves from their party's own crazies: "The attention paid to President Obama’s place of birth is not unprecedented. In fact, it may be the only thing President Obama has in common with Pres. Chester Arthur, whose opponents whispered that he had been born in Canada. A number of unsuccessful presidential candidates—George Romney, Barry Goldwater, and Lowell Weicker among them—actually were born outside of the United States (in Mexico, the Arizona Territory, and Paris, respectively) to American parents and thereby into American citizenship. If the conspiracy theorists have evidence that President Obama went through the naturalization process, let them show it. But there is no such evidence, because this theory is based on unreality, as two minutes’ examining the claims of its proponents reveals. The hallmark of a conspiracy theory is that a lack of evidence for the theory is taken as yet more evidence for the theory. Indeed, the maddening thing about dealing with conspiracy hobbyists of this or any sort is the ever-shifting nature of their argument and their alleged evidence: Never mind the birth certificate, his step-grandmother said he was born in Kenya! (No, she didn’t.)" OK. So why the endless harangue? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted July 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Anyone want to try and explain the newspapers? Cal? T? Anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted July 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Uh, oh. Fox News, today: Obama Birth Certificate Proven Real — Again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Heck and K translation: "waaaaaaa ! We will not comment on Cal's posts about why he wonders about Obama's birthplace even though Heck ASKED for the reasons, and now Heck is crying and changing the subject...waaaaaaaaa" "doi" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Heck and K translation: "waaaaaaa ! We will not comment on Cal's posts about why he wonders about Obama's birthplace even though Heck ASKED for the reasons, and now Heck is crying and changing the subject...waaaaaaaaa" "doi" We know why you "wonder", because you're a clueless bipartisan hack that has nothing positive to contribute other than "I hate Democrats". How original. *Question to anyone else on the board, was Cal always like this? I mean before Obama became president? I guess I got here to late for Cal's ball lickin', crush on a failed administration. Anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted July 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 I guess the lesson is that some people you just can't reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Heck and K translation: "waaaaaaa ! We will not comment on Cal's posts about why he wonders about Obama's birthplace even though Heck ASKED for the reasons, and now Heck is crying and changing the subject...waaaaaaaaa" "doi" Nuh uh you're wrong... nuh uh you're wrong... my side is the best... no my side is the best... my dad can beat up your dad... Obama did this... Bush did that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted July 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 David Frum: In the last post, I noted how unreal it was for conservatives to lament the demise of liberty in the aftermath of the most beautiful efflorescence of liberty in a century. ...The extremity of conservative pessimism attacks the foundational rules of the American political game. Since 1865, the United States has enjoyed amazing political stability. Americans have achieved this stability via tried and tested rules of the road, including the unquestioning acceptance of election results, an acknowledgement of the basic good faith of the other political party, and an absolute acceptance that people of all points of view are committed to the shared constitutional system. If I lived in a country in imminent danger of a Bolshevik or Fascist seizure of power, I’d be a cowardly fool if I failed to use every means to prevent it, including violence if need be. If it were true that our political opponents wanted to impose tyranny on the United States – if (as Rush Limbaugh said the other day) a vote for the other party was a vote for “totalitarianism, dungeons, and torture,” then what patriot could possibly abide a political defeat? Happily, none of those things are true. As wrong and harmful as the Obama administration’s plans are, the administration is playing by the rules of the game. To agitate people into thinking otherwise is to corrode the foundations of the American constitutional regime. It is also to act and look like sore losers. If America has been sliding gently but irresistibly into soft despotism, where were all the valiant defenders of liberty before November of 2008? Soft despotism begins to look less like a profound sociological trend, more like undulations of the sine curve: It’s despotism when we lose, freedom when we win. We should have more confidence in the people and the country than this. We should also have more charity to our political opponents – who after all are contending with hideous problems bequeathed to them by … by … well suddenly we Republicans cannot seem to remember who preceded Barack Obama in office. To listen to us, you’d think that the bailouts and takeovers started on January 20, 2009, not the previous March. You’d never know that TARP was supported by almost every Republican commentator, including the editors of National Review. Or that Vice President Cheney argued urgently in favor of the rescue of the Detroit automakers. Or that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac enjoyed the backing of Republican as well as Democratic lawmakers. One bad election converts us from ardent admirers of the American people to glum declinists who can see only a miserable moldering of a once great nation. I should have thought that conservative patriotism was made of stronger stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 One bad election converts us from ardent admirers of the American people to glum declinists who can see only a miserable moldering of a once great nation. I should have thought that conservative patriotism was made of stronger stuff. Perfectly put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted July 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 I thought so too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 I thought so too. It just show how f'cking fake these people are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 that's just how the powers that be want it though. Everyone is too distracted by partisan bickering to see the forest for the trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 that's just how the powers that be want it though. Everyone is too distracted by partisan bickering to see the forest for the trees. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osusev Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Come on Heck, you know those on this board and elsewhere its just another line item PR attack campaign. Birth Certificate Socialism take over Deficit spending Health care limitations Michelle Obama hates America Pro Black Agenda ETC its all the same Political PR crap thats not based on really anything substanial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted July 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 ACORN is ruining America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted July 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 It's also clear that something has happened this week - the sane Republicans started to realize how much this Birther movement was gaining strength among the base and felt like it was time to clamp it down lest it make a fool out of the whole party. Just this week you've had Republicans in the House, Senate, the National Review, Bill O'Reilly, even Ann Coulter, all come out and say these people are nuts. I'm almost sad to see it go. It was just starting to get good. Not that the crazies will give it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Dont Forget to add these morons also........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Dont Forget to add these morons also........ Because of Clayton Bigsby I now can be a florist. WHITE POWER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 I think you're joking, Leg. I guess I should have said "for the day he was born" or "noting the day he was born". I might have just touched off a new conspriacy theory. Ha! Yeah, I was with the Alex Jones stuff, but I was genuinely astonished - should have figured that's what you meant by it. But since I never really cared enough to google the newspaper clipping, etc.. it was a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 David Frum: It is also to act and look like sore losers. *ahem* And we should all know by now what 8 years of that looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Come on Heck, you know those on this board and elsewhere its just another line item PR attack campaign. Birth Certificate Socialism take over Deficit spending Health care limitations Michelle Obama hates America Pro Black Agenda ETC its all the same Political PR crap thats not based on really anything substanial Get serious Sev. That birth certificate might be real!!! WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicopee John Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Dont Forget to add these morons also........ Well, at least they are inspired to achieve. If it takes a crazy group like this to do it, then we will probably be better off in the long run. Notice they didn't say they were inspried to become subversives. When was the last time you saw an architect and engineer become a detriment to American society. If these types of actions became everyday occurrences across the country, then maybe we could start worrying about a dangerous nappy-head movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Well, at least they are inspired to achieve. If it takes a crazy group like this to do it, then we will probably be better off in the long run. Notice they didn't say they were inspried to become subversives. When was the last time you saw an architect and engineer become a detriment to American society. If these types of actions became everyday occurrences across the country, then maybe we could start worrying about a dangerous nappy-head movement. I agree with you, what we are looking at in the near future is a roll reversal among our young men. While many young white americans are dressing and getting tattoed to look like thugs many of the young black males are being told that if you want to be respected dress the part. Obama may not be a rags to riches guy but he will give many a good example of what the possibilities are if one applies themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Because of Clayton Bigsby I now can be a florist. WHITE POWER! what did the 5 fingers say to the face? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Well, Heck asked for reasons, I gave reasons, and he glossed over them, ignored them and went on. If he didn't want to know, why ask? With no legit response as to the content? Just more lib whining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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