TheBestPlayersPlay Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9919766...lity-in-'09 Showtime's "Inside the NFL" did a magnificent job capturing the Detroit Lions' locker room after an embarrassing 31-21 loss in Green Bay last season. Uncomfortable silence, weary veterans and a defeated coaching staff strolling around haplessly with their hands in their pockets moments after the NFL's first 0-16 season was officially in the books — an entire fan base's collective frustration was captured on film. The footage said everything you needed to know about the worst NFL season of all time. The Lions will win a game in 2009. I have no doubts. They're too improved, too angry, too well-coached not to. Jim Schwartz and Gunther Cunningham bring a defensive intensity that's been missing in Detroit for years. Julian Peterson, Jon Jansen and Larry Foote provide much needed veteran leadership to the locker room. Rookies Matt Stafford and Brandon Pettigrew bring hope, talent and unlimited potential to a team that was void of playmakers in '08. The Lions will win a game in 2009, hell, maybe even four or five. But there are three other teams in the league that I'm not as sure about. Here are the three NFL teams that I could see going WINLESS in '09. Cleveland Browns Things haven't gone too well for the city of Cleveland this summer. The Cavaliers were shocked by the upstart Orlando Magic in the NBA's Eastern Conference Finals in May, LeBron James has since come out publicly and said he's not re-signing anytime this summer, and the Indians — viewed as a favorite in the American League Central prior to the season — are one of baseball's biggest disappointments four months into the season. And then there are the Browns. The same day Cleveland fans jumped for joy over news of a Brady Quinn 51-yard touchdown pass in a scrimmage on Sunday, No. 2 receiver Syndric Steptoe's agent came out and publicly blamed new coach Eric Mangini for the season-ending injury his client suffered Saturday. "The coaches should more carefully weigh the risk of injury in practice decisions,'' agent Jerome Stanley said, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer. "My understanding is that the team was on the field for a walk-through the day before the scrimmage. The walk-through turned into a full practice in a driving rain." FOX Fantasy Football Play FOX Fantasy Football for Free!Free Features Include: Live Draft Application Expert Analysis Real-Time Scoring Research Tools Free Draft Guide Thus has been the Browns' offseason. For every fleeting moment of hope, there's been another of disappointment. The loss of a guy named Syndric Steptoe is not why I foresee the Browns having a dreadful year; but it certainly doesn't help. With the February trade of Kellen Winslow and the hot/cold offseason involving Braylon Edwards (he's currently not practicing because of an undisclosed injury and was in more trade rumors than Roy Halladay this summer), just who will be receiving passes in Cleveland this season is anybody's guess. Coaches are high on wideouts Brian Robiskie and Mohamed Massaquoi, but they're merely rookies. With the exception of Randy Moss, Anquan Boldin, Marques Colston — and last year's darling freshmen Eddie Royal and DeSean Jackson — it's extremely rare for rookie wideouts to contribute anything substantial in their first seasons in the league, let alone serve as go-to targets. There are even greater question marks at tight end. Winslow's gone. Replacing him in '09 will be a trio of less athletic, less accomplished veterans. Robert Royal, Martin Rucker and Steve Heiden — who, by the way, is recovering from December surgeries on his ACL and MCLA — are the re-enforcements. None of those three will be half the presence across the middle that Winslow was, which only puts more pressure (and coverage) on Edwards. Running back? Jamal Lewis turns 30 — the much dreaded age for NFL backs — in a few weeks. He's currently at 2,400 career carries, usually the threshold for bruising tailbacks. Now entering his ninth year in the league, how much does Lewis have left in the tank? And what if he goes down? Backing him up is a collection of unknowns (Jerome Harrison, Noah Herron, Allen Patrick), including sixth-round draft pick James Davis, a player who's been getting a lot of love from the press this summer. Everyone's focused on the quarterback battle in Cleveland, but that, aside from left tackle, may be the one position I'm least concerned about this summer. Both Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson could serve as capable NFL starters. No, we're not dealing with Joe Montana and Steve Young, here, but at the very least — you have two guys who can throw a football. Regardless of who gets the starting gig — and from what I'm hearing, we might not know until September — it won't make much of a difference if he has no one to throw to or hand the ball to. First-year Browns coach Eric Mangini has his work cut out for him. (Tony Dejak / Associated Press) Defensively, the team has holes all over, too. Rob Ryan and Eric Mangini will look to provide more bite and scheme variation than the Romeo Crennel/Mel Tucker defenses of yesteryear. But is the talent there? Rod Hood was the big offseason addition. That's not saying much. Questions at quarterback, running back, wide receiver, tight end and all over the defense — matched with a new coaching staff, general manager and very difficult division . . . well, good luck, Browns fans. This winter could end up being even more dreadful than the summer. St. Louis Rams Care to know the thinnest one position on any of the league's 32 depth charts? Look no further than St. Louis, where the Rams receiver corps look more like high school junior varsity flankers than an NFL unit. Thin, young and completely untested — it should be a roller coaster of a year for quarterback Marc Bulger. Alas, that roller coaster just might be going down the entire time. Ten years ago, the Rams featured Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce, Az-Zahir Hakim and Ricky Proehl as wideouts. It was the "Greatest Show on Turf." A decade later, the Rams receivers are these guys: second-year man Keenan Burton (coming off an injury and out of practice); second-year man Donnie Avery (out four to six weeks); Derek Stanley (who?); Ronald Curry (blah); Tim Carter (out of the NFL in '08); and second-year man Laurent Robinson. The Greatest Show on Turf? More like "Some young guys and journeymen who happen to play wide receiver." The offensive line should be much improved with the addition of center Jason Brown and rookie Jason Smith, but there's more than enough reason for skepticism in St. Louis this season. Without any proven go-to receivers, will injury-plagued Steven Jackson be forced to run the ball 30 times a game? And if so, will he be able to do so with defenses scheming eight guys in the box on every possession? To say I'm down on the Rams receivers and tight ends would be a gross understatement. The defense was a train wreck last year. In new coach Steve Spagnuolo, there should be an added focus on that side of the ball. Rookie James Laurinaitis is already working with the first team, former Giant James Butler joins Oshiomogho Atogwe to form one of the more dynamic safety combos in the league, and Chris Long and Adam Carriker are expected to step it up in '09. But anytime you add so many new parts to a defense, there are question marks. Carriker's also out with an injury for the time being. The saving graces in St. Louis are the team's new coach — I have no doubt Spagnuolo will be a fantastic leader — and the squad's piece-of-cake schedule. Whereas some teams are up against Super Bowl contenders every week, St. Louis plays only four playoff teams in 2009. The Greatest Show on Turf has left town. (Jeff Roberson / Associated Press) But if they can't field a functional passing offense, even those two safety nets might not be enough. Winless in '09? Really? A decade after a Super Bowl winning season, it's quite possible. Tampa Bay Buccaneers I thought long and hard before putting the Bucs on this list. Last year, I included the Atlanta Falcons on the premise that they had new starters at all major offensive positions, were led by an unknown first-year head coach and guided by a first-year GM. Toss in a rookie quarterback, rookie offensive tackle and a bunch of question marks on the defense and I thought there was a legitimate chance that the Falcons would go winless in 2008. They then went out and won 11 games, qualifying for the postseason for the first time since '04. In short, they shut me the hell up. The lingering taste of that shoe in my mouth still haunts me each morning. But when I look at the '09 Bucs, I see an eerily similar situation to the one I did in Flowery Branch last summer. New quarterbacks, a new running back, a bunch of unknowns at receiver, a mediocre offensive line, an overhauled defense, and new faces on the coaching staff and in the front office — there are just too many question marks in Tampa Bay for me to feel anything but doubt and skepticism about the 2009 Buccaneers. A lot has been made of the fact that the Buccaneers are currently an estimated league record $30 million under the salary cap, but I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. After all, no one's ever bought a Super Bowl championship. But it's the glaring holes all over — combined with the unspent money — that causes concern. And, oh yeah, all that drastic change. Ronde Barber is one of the few veterans left from the Bucs' Super Bowl team. (Brian Blanco / Associated Press) Change is supposed to be good, and in this case, perhaps it will be. But for the first time in 13 years, the Buccaneers defense will not be managed by the great Monte Kiffin. Raheem Morris and new defensive coordinator Jim Bates take over a defense that has produced 36 Pro Bowlers since 1996, the most in the NFL, and has finished as the league's top-ranked defense twice (2002 and 2005) in that span. The past 13 seasons have also seen the Buccaneers defense rank in the top 10 on 11 occasions and in the top five eight times. Personnel-wise, first-year GM Mark Dominik and Morris got rid of several veterans, including 14-year linebacker (11 Pro Bowls) Derrick Brooks, face-of-the-franchise running back Warrick Dunn, longtime No. 1 receiver Joey Galloway, and veteran quarterback Jeff Garcia. The switch from Kiffin's Tampa 2 to Bates' 4-3 scheme will be a major adjustment for the remaining veterans, too. Ronde Barber, 34, the only cornerback in NFL history to record more than 20 career sacks and interceptions, will be forced to play press coverage for the first time in his pro career. Chris Hovan, the veteran defensive lineman, goes from being a light-footed speed rusher to a strength-focused run defense cog. These are major changes for any players, let alone longtime veterans. Barrett Ruud, a guy I included in my list of the Top 99 players list to many fans' chagrin, will be expected to make more plays from the inside linebacker spot, while Jermaine Phillips moves from safety to LB — again, no small change for a veteran player in this league. It's not just the defense undergoing an extreme makeover in Tampa, though. The offense will be completely different, too. There are two new quarterbacks in town, a new running back in Derrick Ward, a bunch of new (and unproven) faces at wideout, and tight end Kellen Winslow. Star wideout Antonio Bryant is out 4-6 weeks. The offensive line, which has been above average the past few years, is relatively thin. The five starters will need to stay healthy for Tampa to stand a chance in the NFC South. In truth, new offensive coordinator Jeff Jagodzinski has some tools to work with, but it could be a long road before seeing results. The 2008 Falcons changed just about every piece of their franchise in one offseason and hit the jackpot. I just can't see the same happening for Tampa. 0-16 seems much more likely. Fool me once? Shame on you. Fool me twice? Well, if that's the case, I'll put that foot in my mouth once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel88 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 0-16?! WOOOOOHOOOO! that means were at least getting 13-3 gotta love it when the media 'tards start spouting off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowe Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 this article has a ton of inaccuracies....and the feeling that the author just doesn't follow what is going on in Berea. f*ck him who cares? really..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowe Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 PeterSchrager@gmail.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 I predict Zombo will predict the Browns to go 16-0. I also predict he won't be thrown in jail, or suffer serious bodily injury when he shows up in Cleveland. I predict 7-9, but I'm hoping for better. I'm also predicting a lot of great tailgate parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Steptoe our #2 receiver?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gips Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 If 0-16 were ever going to happen to the browns it would have been last year its is just another media clown looking to dump on the browns without actually taking a closer look... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeler SChick Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 I want this guy's e-mail when we win our 10th game. That should be around October 2010. Regards ..... an'at . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownIndian Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 ahh ... nice to see the annoying sight and smell of stinkyness .. welcome back Steelers Chuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 After reading Peter King's article on us being the only training camp he's been to without getting some kind of a positive feeling and all the other writers dumping on the Browns, I have to wonder if its just a vendetta against Mangini because he is such a media unfriendly coach, or if we really are doomed this year. I wonder if Belichik received the same media ovation when he took over in NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefjerky Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 After reading Peter King's article on us being the only training camp he's been to without getting some kind of a positive feeling and all the other writers dumping on the Browns, I have to wonder if its just a vendetta against Mangini because he is such a media unfriendly coach, or if we really are doomed this year. I wonder if Belichik received the same media ovation when he took over in NE. there's many writers who say good things about the training camp too, but regardless, the media doesn't mean ZIP. last year they were saying the browns were gonna be a strong team, the year before that they said they were gonna be a bad team, this year they're saying we're gonna be a bad team again, so they only make their predictions based on the performance of the most recent season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl34 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 I agree that there is a media bias against Mangini due to the fact that he doesn't make their lives any easier. That's really the reason he was out in NY. The media there is so brutal. I think that it's followed him to Cleveland. Looking closer, you can see that no other new coach is criticized as much in the media without having coached an actual game yet. Yes, his camp is tough but so are others. "Moving The Chains" on NFL Radio said that the most brutal and physical camp they'd been to was Jacksonville's and what kinda flack has Jack Del Rio caught? None...and he's got a .521 winning percentage, has never won his division and is 1-2 in the playoffs. I don't think that Peter King has anything personal with Mangini because I have found him to be even-handed. Adam Schein (who is based in NY) is another story. It's almost as if Mangini ran over his dog. Back to the point though. The bottom line is that it's very difficult to lose all 16 games. If you think about it, it's a rare occurrence despite no paucity of bad teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farang Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 I posted this in another thread but Bookmaker released their over/under for regular season win totals. Cleveland is 6 1/2. At least the people betting money are giving a little more respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dencyguy Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 They said it's a possibility, not a pick...and if you look at the teams in the league and tried to figure out which ones might go winless, the Browns would have better odds than others. Although I would replace the Browns and Bucs with the Bengals and Raiders, who are one Carson Palmer injury or one Al Davis remaining alive from complete collapse. Also, what's up with all this media conspiracy-theory talk? For one thing, it makes little sense--you mean they're not lining up to sing the praises of a team that went 4-12 last year, hasn't picked a starting QB, and has a defense that's been a sieve for the last ten years or so? But now they have a new coach who almost made the playoffs last year and a bunch of players off his team...Miami, here we come! Plus, exactly how does the media make a team lose or get a coach fired? Well, the team didn't play as well because the media was so negative, and then they were always on the coach, which created an atmosphere of losing... Look: what is the coach there to do? Motivate the players and get them to win. If the team falls apart because Tony Grossi writes an article, then he's clearly not done his job because the team is so fragile. Want better press? Win more games, and shockingly Big Media will shower you with love. Dennis The other day a guy called in to a radio station down here and ripped into the host for predicting the Vols would go 7-5: "Why do you guys think it's your job to keep enthusiasm down? I think the team can win eight or nine, but you have to admit you're at least partly responsible if they don't do better than that." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaak Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 I like that some of these guy's comments are based on information that's months old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTBH Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 You're right about the media, Dency. They'll get respect when they earn it. But there are a ton of reasons to believe they'll get better this year from the four wins last year. 1. A deeper, more talented wide receiver group 2. Two healthy quarterbacks. There wasn't much time last year with a completely healthy starting QB not named Ken Dorsey. 3. Deeper secondary with Hood, Ivy and a more experienced B-Mac, Wright. 4. Deeper, healthier O-line with a first-round center and healthy Tucker 5. Maybe the RBs didn't improve much, but Harrison will at least get more touches and we'll see what we got in Davis. 6. The only major losses, Winslow and Jones, have been replaced very well. Specifically Winslow, which was addition by subtraction in a lot of minds 7. A deeper defensive line that also will see Rogers and Williams second year in the 3-4 and Williams' first healthy year. Additions like Coleman and the health of Robaire Smith will prove huge. 8. Additions to the LB crew like Barton and Veikune provides depth. 9. Maybe most of all, a Coach who will instill discipline and maximize talent 10. Easier schedule I know that's all packed full of optomism, but it's all based on true things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadWombat Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 While sometimes posting on this board, its hard to not drink the kool-aide... it seems that the media has the opposite problem. I don't think we're anywhere near off as bad as the article suggests.... But you can't ignore the fact that we have an untested (though potentially talented) WR core, an aging RB, no stand-out QB, and a completely new defensive and offensive schemes.... There's so many unknowns, here. We will just have to wait and see how it all plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTBH Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 I don't think we're anywhere near off as bad as the article suggests.... But you can't ignore the fact that we have an untested (though potentially talented) WR core, an aging RB, no stand-out QB, and a completely new defensive and offensive schemes.... I agree with most of those negatives, but I don't know if I'd say the defensive scheme is completely knew. It's still a Belichick type 2 gap 3-4 isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Crosby Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 I want this guy's e-mail when we win our 10th game. I'm not sure he'll care in 20 years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brownsfan1 Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Its almost impossible to go 0-16 probally harder then 16-0 but I have a feeling we might seem more teams do both in the coming years thats how uneven the NFL is becomging the amazing thing is how fast a team can bounce back form a 1-15 or 0-16 year to become 8-8 in like a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradyQuinnisBeast Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Allen Patrick has been long gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roach Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 i guarantee that we won't go 0-16. i also feel, but not guarantee, that we won't win more than 11 games. That's my prediction and i'm sticking to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgstucknpa Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Look, it gets entirely overlooked that our 1ST and 2ND string QB's were out half of the year!!! No team can succeed with this. Now the Browns D was still bad last year, but they could have been a 6 to 8 win team had either Quin or DA been healthy. And I'm sorry, but once your top two QB's go down, i find it really hard to believe many of the players were still 100% motivated. It doesnt take much for a good team to go to hell and quickly. It's so much about confidence and there was none with Bruce Gradkowski at the helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNC Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 No way they go 0-16. How well they do depends on lot of things out of any one's control. Things look better now, but as was pointed out, both DA and Quinn were down last year. You lose key players like that, you're in trouble. A lot of people expect the Patriots to automatically go back to the SB because Brady's back. Depends on what happens through the season. What if he goes out in the first game again? Browns RIGHT NOW look way better than last year, but staying uninjured is important to that look. Cross your fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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