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Sources confirm the New York Times report that the Cleveland Indians will be dropping their nickname. While it's unclear what they will replace it with, the Indians -- who have been called that for more than a century and nearly 17,000 games -- will be no more.

 
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2 hours ago, Neo said:

Meh. Lot's of good times AND heartache. It's just a name. 

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How many times at a chance at a World Series title and came up short? Maybe a fresh start is a good thing.

Personell, coaching, staff and ownership changes are a fresh start.

 

Acting as though a name magically wipes the slate clean and somehow the short comings of days past will be forgotten is.... silly at best.

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3 hours ago, Westside Steve said:

Major League Baseball has little else left going for it than tradition.

I guess this is good news for hockey. 

WSS

Well, it has that,  and also it has the fact that it draws more than triple the number of fans of any other major sport in this country:

League Sport Country Season Teams Games Total 
attendance 		Average
attendance 		Ref(s)
National Football League American Football United States 2017 32 256 17,788,671 67,405 [1]
                 
                 
Major League Baseball Baseball United States
(1 team in Canada) 		2018 30 2,415 [a] 69,625,244 28,830 [7]
                 

 

National Basketball Association United States and Canada 17,864 21,972,129
Ice hockey 32px-Hockey_current_event.svg.png National Hockey League United States and Canada 17,481 21,501,156
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In fact, it draws triple what any other sports league in the world does:

League Sport Country Season Teams Games Total 
attendance 		Average
attendance 		Games / 
week (*) 		Weekly 
attendance (*)
Major League Baseball Baseball United States / Canada 2017 30 2,419 72,670,423 30,042 7 210,294
Nippon Professional Baseball Baseball Japan 2017 12 858 25,139,463 29,300 6 175,800
National Basketball Association Basketball United States / Canada 2016–17 30 1,230 21,997,412 17,884 4 71,536
National Hockey League Ice hockey United States / Canada 2016–17 30 1,230 21,429,412 17,422 4 69,688
National Football League American football United States 2016 32 256 17,788,671 69,487 1 69,487
Premier League Association football England / Wales 2016–17 20 380 13,612,316 35,822 1 35,822
Bundesliga Association football Germany 2016–17 18 306 12,702,427 41,511 1 41,511
Tour de France Cycling–Road France 2014 22 21 12,000,000 571,429 7 4,000,003
Giro d'Italia Cycling–Road Italy 2014 22 21 11,800,000 561,905 7 3,933,335
La Liga Association football Spain 2016–17 20 380 10,470,781 27,700 1 27,700
KBO League Baseball South Korea 2017 10 720 8,400,483 11,667 6 70,002
Australian Football League Australian rules football Australia 2018 18 207 7,594,257 36,687 9 330,183
Pacific Coast League (AAA)
Baseball United States 2017 16 1,092 7,150,468 6,548 6 39,288 International League (AAA) Baseball United States 2017 14 942 6,671,670 7,082 6 42,492 Formula 1 Motor racing World 2017 10 20 4,071,400 203,570 1 203,570 Liga Mexicana de Béisbol Baseball Mexico 2017 16 824 4,042,605 4,906 6 29,436 NASCAR Motor racing United States 2013 19 36 3,594,708 99,853 1 99,853 Indian Premier League Cricket India 2008 8 59 3,422,347 61,113 7 427,793 Texas League Baseball United States 2017 8 540 2,727,350 5,051 6 30,306 Mexican Pacific League Baseball Mexico 2016–17 8 268 2,625,495 9,797 6 58,782 Vuelta a España Cycling–Road Spain 2014 22 21 2,500,000 119,048 7 833,336 MotoGP Motor racing World 2014 16 18 2,473,624 137,423 1 137,423 Supercars Championship Motor racing Australia 2017 16 25 1,754,501 116,000 1 116,000 Indy Car Motor racing United States / Canada / Japan 2009 13 17 1,555,772 91,516 1 91,516 Indian Super League Association football India 2016 8 56 1,477,033 26,376 1.5 39,564 Chinese Professional Baseball League Baseball Taiwan 2017 4 239 1,311,386 5,487 5 27,435 Liga Venezolana de Beisbol Baseball Venezuela 2016–17 8 247 1,275,317 5,163 6 30,978 Big Bash League Cricket Australia 2016–17 8 35 1,053,997 30,114 7 210,799 Tour Down Under Cycling–Road Australia 2019 19 6 850,000 140,000 6 850,000 Bangladesh Premier League Cricket Bangladesh 2015 6 34 742,000 21,824 7 148,400 Super GT Motor racing Japan / Malaysia 2013 37 8 278,900 34,862 1 34,862
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This will not be the first time this team changed names:

 

 Also played as Cleveland Naps, Cleveland Bronchos and Cleveland Blues

 

1915 Cleveland Indians AL 154 57 95 2 .375 .402 7th of 8 44.5   539 670 159,285 24.6 24.5 40 15 G.Morton (6.4) J.Birmingham (12-16) and L.Fohl (45-79)
1914 Cleveland Naps AL 157 51 102 4 .333 .376 8th of 8 48.5   538 709 185,997 26.6 24.9 47 19 S.Jackson (4.6) J.Birmingham (51-102)
1913 Cleveland Naps AL 155 86 66 3 .566 .576 3rd of 8 9.5   633 536 541,000 27.0 26.7 39 13 S.Jackson (7.6) J.Birmingham (86-66)
1912 Cleveland Naps AL 155 75 78 2 .490 .497 5th of 8 30.5   677 681 336,844 26.4 24.0 47 16 S.Jackson (9.5) H.Davis (54-71) and J.Birmingham (21-7)
1911 Cleveland Naps AL 156 80 73 3 .523 .488 3rd of 8 22.0   693 712 406,296 27.0 24.8 38 16 S.Jackson (9.2) D.McGuire (6-11) and G.Stovall (74-62)
1910 Cleveland Naps AL 161 71 81 9 .467 .418 5th of 8 32.0   548 657 293,456 28.2 26.6 44 14 N.Lajoie (9.8) D.McGuire (71-81)
1909 Cleveland Naps AL 155 71 82 2 .464 .465 6th of 8 27.5   493 532 354,627 28.1 30.5 37 15 N.Lajoie (6.5) N.Lajoie (57-57) and D.McGuire (14-25)
1908 Cleveland Naps AL 157 90 64 3 .584 .597 2nd of 8 0.5   569 459 422,262 28.2 27.2 33 13 A.Joss (8.8) N.Lajoie (90-64)
1907 Cleveland Naps AL 158 85 67 6 .559 .505 4th of 8 8.0   531 525 382,046 27.5 26.8 26 9 N.Lajoie (7.6) N.Lajoie (85-67)
1906 Cleveland Naps AL 157 89 64 4 .582 .643 3rd of 8 5.0   663 481 325,733 28.2 28.0 25 8 N.Lajoie (10.0) N.Lajoie (89-64)
1905 Cleveland Naps AL 155 76 78 1 .494 .482 5th of 8 19.0   564 587 316,306 27.1 27.3 27 9 A.Joss (6.2) N.Lajoie (56-57) and B.Bradley (20-21)
1904 Cleveland Naps AL 154 86 65 3 .570 .632 4th of 8 7.5   647 482 264,749 27.3 28.0 24 7 N.Lajoie (8.6) B.Armour (86-65)
1903 Cleveland Naps AL 140 77 63 0 .550 .545 3rd of 8 15.0   639 579 311,280 27.3 26.1 28 13 N.Lajoie (8.0) B.Armour (77-63)
1902 Cleveland Bronchos AL 137 69 67 1 .507 .513 5th of 8 14.0   686 667 275,395 27.2 24.9 34 17 B.Bradley (6.7) B.Armour (69-67)
1901 Cleveland Blues AL 138 54 82 2 .397 .400 7th of 8 29.0   666 831 131,380 28.4 26.2 35 15 E.Moore (4.4) J.McAleer (54-82

So.  What new name?

NOT Spiders. NOT one of these others above.

Cleveland Rocks?

Cleveland Rolls?

Cleveland United?

Cleveland Crocodiles?

Cleveland Derechos?

Cleveland Caballeros?

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8 hours ago, tiamat63 said:

Personell, coaching, staff and ownership changes are a fresh start.

 

Acting as though a name magically wipes the slate clean and somehow the short comings of days past will be forgotten is.... silly at best.

Well, people believe in silly things. Take this place (not the tribe board, but other forums on here) for example, there are some pretty "SILLY" things people believe in. Saying that, there are people out there that believe in curse of Chief Wahoo. So yes, it is a fresh start and it's not silly,  not in the slightest.

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1 minute ago, tiamat63 said:

Like I said, some people tend to believe in stupid shit.

I personally don't believe in curses, the team has the right to change the name if they so choose. I also personally don't care what the Cleveland baseball team is called. They aren't changing the name of the Browns, that's all I care about.

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1 hour ago, Neo said:

I personally don't believe in curses, the team has the right to change the name if they so choose. I also personally don't care what the Cleveland baseball team is called. They aren't changing the name of the Browns, that's all I care about.

As long as they are still called Cleveland 

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1 hour ago, The Gipper said:

As long as they are still called Cleveland 

True.   And playing in Cleveland, Ohio in a still pretty nice stadium for baseball.    No changes until at least 2022, still time to get all of your Indians stuff.

The Cleveland Baseball Club ?  Team ?  

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Letter from Larry Dolan

https://www.mlb.com/indians/fans/cleteamname?partnerId=zh-20201214-266499-CLE&qid=18&bt_ee=HjafnUnuaNUEo2SIRwApCSZXBTJb3VZ8NpfjyvzoboNLHzaPkV8OxH6UP1LGbvjF&bt_ts=1607980265923

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4 hours ago, mjp28 said:

True.   And playing in Cleveland, Ohio in a still pretty nice stadium for baseball.    No changes until at least 2022, still time to get all of your Indians stuff.

The Cleveland Baseball Club ?  Team ?  

No,  I don't want one of these generic soccer names.  I want some kind of identity. 

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On 12/14/2020 at 4:51 PM, Browns149 said:

Letter from Larry Dolan

https://www.mlb.com/indians/fans/cleteamname?partnerId=zh-20201214-266499-CLE&qid=18&bt_ee=HjafnUnuaNUEo2SIRwApCSZXBTJb3VZ8NpfjyvzoboNLHzaPkV8OxH6UP1LGbvjF&bt_ts=1607980265923

FUCK YOU DOH' LAN!

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12 hours ago, The Gipper said:

Well...it seems like they are getting rid of any decent players they had.  So, this name reboot may go like the Browns reboot from 1999....in other words, we would be in for a long spell of constant losing. 

Fair to say? 

Yeah, I don't know... They have been a cluster fuck of sorts since Jacobs sold the team.. I know they made the post season a couple of times and made a trip to the series in 16... But like always... They under achieve.... Doh'lan has 0 business owning a franchise.. His ineptness is infuriating!

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On 1/28/2021 at 12:11 AM, nickers said:

Yeah, I don't know... They have been a cluster fuck of sorts since Jacobs sold the team.. I know they made the post season a couple of times and made a trip to the series in 16... But like always... They under achieve.... Doh'lan has 0 business owning a franchise.. His ineptness is infuriating!

I always thought the ownership is all mixed up in this town-Haslem was way in over his head, but perhaps after several business models he may have gotten it right. Dolan buys into MLB but he needs the NFL or NBA salary cap structure to guide him. Gilbert has always seemed willing to spend, and perhaps the MLB would be better for him in that regard. 

Like I've heard elsewhere, the MLB needs a "salary floor" not a salary cap. Owners should have to meet some kind of payroll minimum to operate. Presently, the Indians payroll ($36.5 million) is on par to Mike Trout's one year salary ($35 million). 

I'm not one to begrudge a person's wealth, but why buy a baseball team if you aren't willing to pay consistently to operate it? All owners should get a Covid pass, but this salary dump of star players is getting old. The Tribe's offense will be lucky to average 4 runs a game this season, it's a AAA type lineup now.

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On 12/14/2020 at 10:53 AM, The Gipper said:

This will not be the first time this team changed names:

 

 Also played as Cleveland Naps, Cleveland Bronchos and Cleveland Blues

 

1915 Cleveland Indians AL 154 57 95 2 .375 .402 7th of 8 44.5   539 670 159,285 24.6 24.5 40 15 G.Morton (6.4) J.Birmingham (12-16) and L.Fohl (45-79)
1914 Cleveland Naps AL 157 51 102 4 .333 .376 8th of 8 48.5   538 709 185,997 26.6 24.9 47 19 S.Jackson (4.6) J.Birmingham (51-102)
1913 Cleveland Naps AL 155 86 66 3 .566 .576 3rd of 8 9.5   633 536 541,000 27.0 26.7 39 13 S.Jackson (7.6) J.Birmingham (86-66)
1912 Cleveland Naps AL 155 75 78 2 .490 .497 5th of 8 30.5   677 681 336,844 26.4 24.0 47 16 S.Jackson (9.5) H.Davis (54-71) and J.Birmingham (21-7)
1911 Cleveland Naps AL 156 80 73 3 .523 .488 3rd of 8 22.0   693 712 406,296 27.0 24.8 38 16 S.Jackson (9.2) D.McGuire (6-11) and G.Stovall (74-62)
1910 Cleveland Naps AL 161 71 81 9 .467 .418 5th of 8 32.0   548 657 293,456 28.2 26.6 44 14 N.Lajoie (9.8) D.McGuire (71-81)
1909 Cleveland Naps AL 155 71 82 2 .464 .465 6th of 8 27.5   493 532 354,627 28.1 30.5 37 15 N.Lajoie (6.5) N.Lajoie (57-57) and D.McGuire (14-25)
1908 Cleveland Naps AL 157 90 64 3 .584 .597 2nd of 8 0.5   569 459 422,262 28.2 27.2 33 13 A.Joss (8.8) N.Lajoie (90-64)
1907 Cleveland Naps AL 158 85 67 6 .559 .505 4th of 8 8.0   531 525 382,046 27.5 26.8 26 9 N.Lajoie (7.6) N.Lajoie (85-67)
1906 Cleveland Naps AL 157 89 64 4 .582 .643 3rd of 8 5.0   663 481 325,733 28.2 28.0 25 8 N.Lajoie (10.0) N.Lajoie (89-64)
1905 Cleveland Naps AL 155 76 78 1 .494 .482 5th of 8 19.0   564 587 316,306 27.1 27.3 27 9 A.Joss (6.2) N.Lajoie (56-57) and B.Bradley (20-21)
1904 Cleveland Naps AL 154 86 65 3 .570 .632 4th of 8 7.5   647 482 264,749 27.3 28.0 24 7 N.Lajoie (8.6) B.Armour (86-65)
1903 Cleveland Naps AL 140 77 63 0 .550 .545 3rd of 8 15.0   639 579 311,280 27.3 26.1 28 13 N.Lajoie (8.0) B.Armour (77-63)
1902 Cleveland Bronchos AL 137 69 67 1 .507 .513 5th of 8 14.0   686 667 275,395 27.2 24.9 34 17 B.Bradley (6.7) B.Armour (69-67)
1901 Cleveland Blues AL 138 54 82 2 .397 .400 7th of 8 29.0   666 831 131,380 28.4 26.2 35 15 E.Moore (4.4) J.McAleer (54-82

So.  What new name?

NOT Spiders. NOT one of these others above.

Cleveland Rocks?

Cleveland Rolls?

Cleveland United?

Cleveland Crocodiles?

Cleveland Derechos?

Cleveland Caballeros?

I wonder what naps meant?

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21 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

I wonder what naps meant?

The name Naps was given to the team in "honor" of their best player at the time:   Napoleon  Lajoie

From Encyclopedia of Cleveland History:

The CLEVELAND INDIANS baseball team, a charter member of the American League, founded in 1901, was originally named the Blues, then the Bronchos, and from 1903-11 was known as the Naps, in honor of player-manager NAPOLEON LAJOIE.

I wonder why they called them the Bronchos...with a ch.   Or why they bothered to change to a different name each of their first 3 seasons. 

Maybe they should just start that up again:  give the team a whole new name every year.   Their marketing department would love it because they could sell all new paraphenalia every year. 

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On 12/13/2020 at 9:19 PM, Neo said:

Meh. Lot's of good times AND heartache. It's just a name. 

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How many times at a chance at a World Series title and came up short? Maybe a fresh start is a good thing.

so would you be cool if they changed the name the browns

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