The Gipper Posted December 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, jiggins7919 said: Oh yeah, I remember. But to be fair, every other team runs that sneak just fine. I've literally NEVER seen a QB fumble it unless they're reaching over the top for a score and it gets swatted out. Baker has fumbled on a sneak multiple times, and don't forget the game a few weeks back where Baker fumbled it and ref blew it dead. No clue what the problem is, but it's bad. I have....can you say "Butt Fumble"? 🤪 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg in MD Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 The game has opened up with Cleveland as an early 7 point favorite which tells me one thing, Vegas expects the Steelers to sit their key starters. Vegas is usually pretty accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 16 minutes ago, Dawg in MD said: The game has opened up with Cleveland as an early 7 point favorite which tells me one thing, Vegas expects the Steelers to sit their key starters. Vegas is usually pretty accurate. Or....it means that they think at this point the Browns are just a better team regardless....playing at home. Vegas has no sentimentality. If it announced that the Steeler plan to sit BR and others, expect the line to go even higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg in MD Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 I don't think they think we are the better team, especially since we still don't know if we will get all the players back who sat this week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg in MD Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 BUT.....I believe we are the better team at full strength right now! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, Dawg in MD said: I don't think they think we are the better team, especially since we still don't know if we will get all the players back who sat this week. Well, wait....you surmise that the line is 7 because you think that they think the Steelers will sit their players......while the Browns play at full strength? but...would they not also adjust the line if the thought the Browns were going to be playing without their WR corps, half their OL, most of the defensive backfield....and their MLB? I would think this could actually be a situation where they would literally take the game off the board when a team has all those players out...or if there is so much speculation as to whether or not they will be out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 3 hours ago, The Gipper said: Well, wait....you surmise that the line is 7 because you think that they think the Steelers will sit their players......while the Browns play at full strength? but...would they not also adjust the line if the thought the Browns were going to be playing without their WR corps, half their OL, most of the defensive backfield....and their MLB? I would think this could actually be a situation where they would literally take the game off the board when a team has all those players out...or if there is so much speculation as to whether or not they will be out. Correct they could take it off the board. I believe the early line posted has taken the following assumptions: Steeler players will rest, Browns WRs will be back. All things equal we are not a -7 point favorite against the Steelers. Even at home, even in a sleet rain wind storm and their poor rushing attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 29 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said: Correct they could take it off the board. I believe the early line posted has taken the following assumptions: Steeler players will rest, Browns WRs will be back. All things equal we are not a -7 point favorite against the Steelers. Even at home, even in a sleet rain wind storm and their poor rushing attack. Maybe the bookies have more confidence in the Browns than you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browns52 Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 5 hours ago, Dawg in MD said: The game has opened up with Cleveland as an early 7 point favorite which tells me one thing, Vegas expects the Steelers to sit their key starters. Vegas is usually pretty accurate. still not a guarantee w.........these are the browns....until proven otherwise, what can go wrong will go wrong......hope we can break that label.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjh2130 Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 5 hours ago, The Gipper said: Or....it means that they think at this point the Browns are just a better team regardless....playing at home. Vegas has no sentimentality. If it announced that the Steeler plan to sit BR and others, expect the line to go even higher. Vegas does not think one team is better than the other. They predict that putting the line at -7 Cleveland will split the money evenly between the two sides with info available/speculated on right now. Much of the public speculation is the steelers are going to rest some players since being a 2 seed does not come with a bye in the playoffs. Again Vegas is predicting that half the betting public thinks the browns are 7 points better and half the betting public thinks no way the steelers lose by more than 7 points to the browns. Also Vegas line makers do get inside information before the betting public so i assume they do have a pretty good clue as to what he steelers will be doing as far as resting players or playing them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 27 minutes ago, browns52 said: these are the browns....until proven otherwise, what can go wrong will go wrong......hope we can break that label.... That was 100%, totally untrue before the season started.... ... and it is even less so now. I estimate that currently it is 137.6% untrue... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, bjh2130 said: Vegas does not think one team is better than the other. They predict that putting the line at -7 Cleveland will split the money evenly between the two sides with info available/speculated on right now. Ding ding dingiddy-fuckin' DING... And every adjustment made to the opening line is based upon how the bets are flowing. How many times do we have to state this? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Ding ding dingiddy-fuckin' DING... And every adjustment made to the opening line is based upon how the bets are flowing. How many times do we have to state this? Sure but the bets flow based on the conditions exist in a particular game. If a team starting quarterback is not going to be playing that will affect the way the money flows. Or if the team is playing without its entire wide receiver corps that would affect it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATOM Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 18 hours ago, The Gipper said: OK, but honestly...that play should never have been called. Even give it to Janovich. Remember when Fullbacks used to run the ball on short yardage plays? ya I do, good times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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