Guest mz. Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 I think some of us (including me) have been living in some sort of denial here. When Savage/Crennel got the axe, and the new regime was brought in, I pretty much figured starting Quinn was inevitable. I mean, Mangini/Kokinis has no allegiance to DA and his stupid contract (unlike Savage/Crennel), and after the beyond-shitty showing DA threw out last season, going with the former first-round pick with no film was a much better way to start than going with the "vet" with a decent amount of film (a lon of it bad). Right? But now I'm not so sure. I really expected Quinn to take this camp by the horns (lame cliche), and though camp is young, this hasn't happened. And it kind of surprises me a bit. Enough to wonder if what we once said would never happen (DA starts over Quinn) has a real chance of happenning. Unless the reports we get non-stop these days (OBR's Twitter, anyone?) are inaccurate. Right now, I'm really putting it at 50/50 DA gets it. Of course, the next two weeks are key, but yeah. What do you guys think? What do you think the percentages are?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roach Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Right now, I'm really putting it at 50/50....... It is hard to view it any other way. i watched the Mangini interview with Jim Donavan on STO tonight and appreciated that he is viewing this as objectively as he can. Most here viewed this competition as a facade when camp opened. It is not. If Quinn wins, he deserves it. Same for DA. Either way, Pontbriand is still our most reliable player. roach (How many of you guys have used "facade" in a post? Cool word- if i must say so myself.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gips Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 I see it like mangini sees it...dead even with DA dominating the last week.. the winner will be the one who takes decisive action and takes command of the team after being given as equal of chances as possible..many of us expected bq to dominate camp but its only camp both qbs done well..its on the field with live action that they both will have their chance to prove why they should be the starter....if they both do well will mangini flip a coin to decide? muhahahaha! I still slightly favor bq but only because he needs more nfl playtime to show his real hand but i dont underestimate DA...especially in a no huddle thats the kind of offense DA could be absolutely deadly in with the right recievers/matchups , proper reads ,decent pass blocking ,spreading it around and no tunnelvision stare downs..but these are the things DA has to improve on to be legit starter.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmac12 Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 I Believe that the Vet is only ONE year older than the young first round pick. Anyways, it may be 50 - 50 but I think if it is 50 50 then BQ gets the nod if for no other reason the fans. DA has to outplay BQ, tie goes to the fan favorite I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkandstoopid Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 I think it really depends on whether Lerner hired Mangini because he believes Mangini can coach, or because he knew Mangini would try to win with Quinn regardless. If Mangini has the backing of the owner to go out and make the choice based on who he thinks gives the team the better chance to win on any given Sunday, it's probably right at a 50/50 odds. If he's been told Quinn's gotta be the guy unless DA's clearly better, then odds are Quinn will be named starter the Monday or Tuesday following the 2nd preseason game unless DA totally outshines him. It appears the QB competition is real, so it's gonna be an interesting couple of weeks. I'm hoping a decision is made by mid-week after the 2nd preseason game so whoever "wins" can actually get a couple of practice games and a few weeks with the first team immediately prior to the regular season games - that hasn't happened for a Brown's team in a few years - it's a new system and whoever is chosen deserves that so they've at least got a bit of rhythm going into the regular season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Many years ago, when I coached youth soccer, we had a kid who was one of the bigger, stronger, & most athletic on the team....and a GREAT practice player. However, the "chink in his armor" was that he was AFRAID of contact! Once we started the season (in real games), every time the kid had the ball & someone (regardless of size) was coming at him full bore, he just booted the ball away...he didn't care where, he would just get rid of it to avoid the contact. That's what DA has reminded me of for the last 2 years. I hope I'm wrong & may the best man win, but what we see in a game may be, & frequently IS, totally different than what we see in practice. We'll see. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 I think some of us (including me) have been living in some sort of denial here. When Savage/Crennel got the axe, and the new regime was brought in, I pretty much figured starting Quinn was inevitable. I mean, Mangini/Kokinis has no allegiance to DA and his stupid contract (unlike Savage/Crennel), and after the beyond-shitty showing DA threw out last season, going with the former first-round pick with no film was a much better way to start than going with the "vet" with a decent amount of film (a lon of it bad). Right? But now I'm not so sure. I really expected Quinn to take this camp by the horns (lame cliche), and though camp is young, this hasn't happened. And it kind of surprises me a bit. Enough to wonder if what we once said would never happen (DA starts over Quinn) has a real chance of happenning. Unless the reports we get non-stop these days (OBR's Twitter, anyone?) are inaccurate. Right now, I'm really putting it at 50/50 DA gets it. Of course, the next two weeks are key, but yeah. What do you guys think? What do you think the percentages are?? I think you guys thought I was a nutjob when I first started saying that it would be 50/50, that Quinn was the presumed nothing, and that whoever passed the football better in camp would win the job ... regardless of their wonderlic score. Zombo --not to blow my own horn ... even lamer cliche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefjerky Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 why didn't you just post this in one of the other MANY threads? goodness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OconRecon Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 With DA being known for looking good in camp and Quinn known for looking lumpy, I'm surprised it's a tie to this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 I'll go along with none of this. Mangini needs to see what he has in both qb's. I am leaning in the direction that Lerner has had no part in Quinn's mismanagement, RAC and Savage those two will live in infamy for all the wrong reasons (how about the use of 'infamy') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 50/50 sounds about right to me. As you said about DA, Mangini and Kok don't have anything invested in BQ either. If they go the other way, it's not like they were the ones who traded picks to select Quinn. Three or so weeks and the answer will be in hand. Go Browns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegasdogg Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 I will seriously be pissed if DA does win it and hasn't learned to put back to back games together against good teams. Hell I would take back to back games against anyone. I wouldn't be disappointed if he won (being a Domer it is hard to believe) because when he is on, it is a great ride. But like a faulty transmission he stops and goes, sputters and stalls. If he does win it I hope that pattern - at the very least - is reduced to a minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 I think some of us (including me) have been living in some sort of denial here. Right now, I'm really putting it at 50/50 DA gets it. Of course, the next two weeks are key, but yeah. What do you guys think? What do you think the percentages are?? Thanks for the thread mz the pussy. This isn't aimed at you personally - I'm just using it as an opportunity to vent a little, okay alot. I'd RATHER they watched game film of our 10-6 losses or just beared witness to how brutal his decisions were in both of the Ratbird games. He looked like a mindless rookie and that gets so old; because it tells some of us he CANNOT learn from his mistakes/experience. The first 2 months of the 2007 season seem as ancient as life before cell phones. What I don't want one more FREAKING time is confirming this guy begins to suck once the scouting reports and film replicate around the conference. I think 3 different seasons of starts with regression is enough. Then, HALF the team starts thinking about greener pastures elsewhere once the shit inevitably hits the fan again (this WILL include Rogers if we f--- this up). They might as well make the theme song for the DAWG Pound "Rollover Beethoven" if we're sticking with Dumb and Numb between the ears at QB. I feel bad saying that over and over because Dumb Ass seems like a GREAT kid and it's REALLY not his fault we're the ONLY one of 32 teams that considers him as starting material. I'd LOVE to suck that bad at my job and get paid like a CEO for it. 31 NFL teams didn't want DA as their starter so if this is criteria for winning the job in Cleveland - I'll lose alot of my excitement about the upcoming season. We won't have a QB with the ability to WIN us those 10-6 games against the playoff contenders. We'll just be looking for moral victories and praying we get a schedule full of losing teams like 07 provided. Don't you WANT a QB that will grow with experience so the offense can grow instead of SHRINK every year? I do. If Quinn isn't the answer - let's see what Ratliff has. We've made the playoffs once in the last 15 years so we're not exactly getting spoiled. And PLEASE don't try to tell me we have Baltimore's or Pittsburgh's elite defenses. Also, if all we needed were great running games and great defenses - what was the sum of playoff wins for Minnesota, Tennessee and Carolina? - Tom F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBestPlayersPlay Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 (DA starts over Quinn) has a real chance of happenning. If this happens prepare for another shit season. How many times can one organization be fooled by eye candy? And the same eye candy no less. Jeff George syndrome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 If this happens prepare for another shit season. How many times can one organization be fooled by eye candy? And the same eye candy no less. Jeff George syndrome. I am proud to say I have been fooled by eye candy many, many times. At least it has provided some great memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alendor Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 If this happens prepare for another shit season. How many times can one organization be fooled by eye candy? And the same eye candy no less. Jeff George syndrome. ya, DA starting means another losing season. at least if quinn starts and sucks, you can watch to see if he grows, develops and what not. and if we throw the season away we at least have a good excuse of trying out our pick. With DA, we are throwing it away with 2 season of proof, showing that he throws away seasons, usually to the ravens. it'll be a long boring year with DA under center Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osusev Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 this is ridiculous to blame an entire season IF DA wins the derby..... any YOUNG QB with the arm strength that puts up 3700 yds and 29 tds and 10 wins saddled with a terrible defense and convinces TWO different coaching staffs he is better than a draftee is insane. This would be more of an indictment of BQ than an endorsement of DA's possible potential. like I stated in another thread, we have to see our Oline, 30 year old lewis. rookie wide recievers, unknown version of Braylon, new tight end corps (with a just done surgery of heiden) new offensive coordinator, new coaching staff, head coach etc..... This is quite a change and to pin our entire season on a qb choice is insane. I am excited about the preseason games to get a look at the veterans/rookies and this new coaching staff and how they playcall.. new chemistry is always fun in the beginning.... that is until it blows up in your face from improper chemical mixtures...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alendor Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 well he lost our last 2 seasons pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestinPeace Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 this is ridiculous to blame an entire season IF DA wins the derby..... any YOUNG QB with the arm strength that puts up 3700 yds and 29 tds and 10 wins saddled with a terrible defense and convinces TWO different coaching staffs he is better than a draftee is insane. This would be more of an indictment of BQ than an endorsement of DA's possible potential. like I stated in another thread, we have to see our Oline, 30 year old lewis. rookie wide recievers, unknown version of Braylon, new tight end corps (with a just done surgery of heiden) new offensive coordinator, new coaching staff, head coach etc..... This is quite a change and to pin our entire season on a qb choice is insane. I am excited about the preseason games to get a look at the veterans/rookies and this new coaching staff and how they playcall.. new chemistry is always fun in the beginning.... that is until it blows up in your face from improper chemical mixtures...... DA ain't a good fit for this scheme. He is lagging Quinn in plays needed to run this scheme and that is a problem. To run a modified scheme just for DA, which I saw in practice, isn't worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinny Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Zombo --not to blow my own horn ... even lamer cliche[/b][/color] If I could "blow my own horn" I would never leave home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 well he lost our last 2 seasons pretty well. Really? What about the other 21 players on Offense and Defense? They just did, what? Give me a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alendor Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 all DA had to do was not throw picks, and we coulda been great. every time the pressure was on he folded like a cheap suit. ravens, cinci, pitt. the list goes on. he lost those games with poor QB play. he doesn't have the mental fortitude to deal with pressure situations, he will never get to the superbowl, and never win it because he isn't a winner. we know he isn't a winner, so we should move on. if we find quinn isn't a winner, we continue moving. sticking with a supbar QB that can't handle pressue just cause your afraid of the unknown is not smart. shit, he couldn't even handle the pressure in the inner squad scrimmage. I was there, he played like trash. and he had all the good reciviers and Oline on his team. when the stakes are high, DA doesn't show up. plain and simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClevelandRocks Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 If we start DA this year along and jamal at runningback we will break all records for the worst offense EVER. I don't think I can take another game of DA incomplete to whoever, jamal for 2 yards, braylon drops a fastball over the middle and PUNT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmac12 Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 10 - 5 in 2007 with the 30th rank defense with an organization that has made the playoffs once in 15 years, what a bad season. I know it was against an easy schedule, which I am sure that the Browns have not ever had before. I have to admit that DA was lucky that the year he took over was the one year where BE decided to catch the ball and the only year when there was an easy schedule. 3 - 5 last year with a concussion(if BQs injury matters then so does DA's since he could not practice for two weeks and had light sensativity until the day before game), 1 receiver from the previous year (who dropped several key passes), a under performing OL and against 3 of the best teams in the AFC to start the season. With all of that it is his fault the Browns lost but not his credit when they won. They won because of circus catches and I seem to recall a bunch of people saying a genius OC. But the losses? All on DA. As far as BQ goes. He has mirrored DA IN GAMES (not practice) when you look at the production he has had. After 3 starts he has done basically the same as DA. You all seem to think that he can grow with experiance, and maybe he can. But he is only ONE year younger than DA and last season was crappy regardless of who was QBing. I think whoever starts is just holding the spot for next years number one pick. I do find it funny and actually backs up something that Lum said last year. That is that if DA is the QB then the Browns losing is unacceptable, but if it is BQ starting then it is ok because it will give him a chance to grow into the franchise QB that he is. As far as that goes, what has he done in the NFL that makes you think he is going to be better than average at best. But we will see, starting tonite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 and had light sensativity until the day before game Not that I think a concussion isn't a major injury, but where oh where is Lumbergh when you need him? "Light sensitivity?" That's an excuse?? why didn't you just post this in one of the other MANY threads? goodness. Sorry. I'll consider taking your advice the next time I start up a new thread. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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