The Gipper Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 The Dailey Stuff asked on one of their articles: Who is the most Overrated QB in history? They gave a bunch of Candidates. Choose any of these...or suggest someone else: Joe Flacco; Matt Stafford; Michael Vick; Matt Stafford; Boomer Esiason; Terry Bradshaw; Ken Stabler; Jim McMahon; Bob Griese; Phil Simms; Norm Van Brocklin; Sam Bradford; Troy Aikman; Archie Manning; Eli Manning; Ron Jaworski; Jim Plunkett; Jim Hart; Joe Namath; Dan Fouts; Tony Romo; Warren Moon; John Brodie; Daryl Lamonica; Bart Starr; Joe Theismann; Drew Brees; Carson Palmer; Dak Prescott; Jim Kelly; Kerry Collins; Aaron Rodgers; Rich Gannon; Donovan McNabb; Steve McNair; Drew Bledsoe; Randall Cunningham; Brett Favre; Dante Culpepper; Phillip Rivers; Bernie Kosar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 27, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 A note on the above: I actually checked a number of websites on this question. And I see a completely ignorant trend in the rankings on this subject: It seems that they will say "So and so great historical QB is overrated because his completion percentage was only 52% and his TD to Int. ration was only like 1:1. What these fucking idiots who write this clearly do not comprehend is that you really cannot judge an historical QB by today's standards of quarterbacking. ALL QBs prior to like the Joe Montana era had low completion percentages in the 50 some percent range. Most or ALL QBs had TD to Int. ratio of like 1-1. One even said that Otto Graham was overrated because he had only a 55.5% completion pct. Well, in those days that completion pct. was good enough to lead the league. One year he led the league with 53.% completion pct. The same with INT. pct....they claimed "not so good with a 4...something Int. pct. Well, again that 4. something was good enough to lead the league some years. So, a guy that takes him team to 10 consecutive title games is "overrated"? I wonder how overrated a guy that can "only" take his team to 10 title games in 20 years is? (Brady). So, use your own judgment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 It’s easy for me. Joe Namath is way overrated. I know that stats are way different today but even today a td to int ratio like his would get you benched very quickly. 173 td - 220 int And his teams are under .500 68-71-4 Had he NOT guarantee victory in SB 3 he wouldn’t be in the HOF If you look at his season stats. He only had 2 great years and 2 good years. He never led the league in rating and only led the league in yards 3 times and tds once. He also led the league in ints 4 times 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 Archie Manning. Had very few good years. Everyone wants to give him a pass for playing on bad teams ... that wouldn't fly today. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 27 minutes ago, Browns149 said: It’s easy for me. Joe Namath is way overrated. I know that stats are way different today but even today a td to int ratio like his would get you benched very quickly. 173 td - 220 int And his teams are under .500 68-71-4 Had he NOT guarantee victory in SB 3 he wouldn’t be in the HOF If you look at his season stats. He only had 2 great years and 2 good years. He never led the league in rating and only led the league in yards 3 times and tds once. He also led the league in ints 4 times You are mistaken. Joe didn't just make the Hall due to his guaranteed SB win. He did OTHER significant things like wearing fur coats & pantyhose. Shame on you! Just kidding..I agree that he is the most over-rated (just my opinion). NYC media hype. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Canton Mike said: You are mistaken. Joe didn't just make the Hall due to his guaranteed SB win. He did OTHER significant things like wearing fur coats & pantyhose. Shame on you! Just kidding..I agree that he is the most over-rated (just my opinion). NYC media hype. Mike Not to mention trying to kiss Suzy Kolber in a drunken stupor on national TV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 27, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Browns149 said: It’s easy for me. Joe Namath is way overrated. I know that stats are way different today but even today a td to int ratio like his would get you benched very quickly. 173 td - 220 int Today, yes....but not then. His TD to Int. ratio then was either very good, or typical. And his teams are under .500 68-71-4 Had he NOT guarantee victory in SB 3 he wouldn’t be in the HOF If you look at his season stats. He only had 2 great years and 2 good years. He never led the league in rating and only led the league in yards 3 times and tds once. He also led the league in ints 4 times, Well...he was a gunslinger. He took risks. He certainly dink and dunk like things are done today. That was true for all QBs then really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, The Gipper said: 2 great years and 2 good years does not make someone a HOFer. IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 27, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 What can the criteria be for someone to be considered "Overrated"? Failure to win a Super Bowl? Dan Marino never won. Failure to make a Super Bowl? Fouts/Rivers/Moon never got there. What about overall winning record? See the Namath example above. What about a guy that actually HAS won a Super Bowl? See Joe Flacco. One area I don't consider a person to be "overrated" is if they are a bust. You don't see Jamarcus Russell/Ryan Leaf and others on any "overrated" list. They were overrated when coming out of college, but not when their careers are evaluated. Of everyone on the above list, I might put Flacco there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 27, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, Browns149 said: 2 great years and 2 good years does not make someone a HOFer. IMO But, being one of the most iconic figures the game has ever seen, and winning what many/most think is the most significant game in History does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 14 minutes ago, The Gipper said: But, being one of the most iconic figures the game has ever seen, and winning what many/most think is the most significant game in History does. Being iconic doesn’t make you a great player. And I thought the NYG winning the NFL title in OT was the most significant game of all time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 I wanted to say Phil Simms or Joe Flacco but I can’t say a Super Champ and MVP (both were) are overrated. Maybe Carson Palmer although he put a decent QB Rating career 87.9. He was a #1 overall pick. Maybe didn’t live up to the extreme expectations he had. Im going with Culpepper. He Had one elite year throwing to Moss. 11th overall pick so he came in with lofty expectations. He ultimately bounced around the league and played sparingly last half of his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 27, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Browns149 said: Being iconic doesn’t make you a great player. And I thought the NYG winning the NFL title in OT was the most significant game of all time I would say that SBIII is considered the most significant game of all time. And the game you are thinking about is, I think, the 1958 Colts win over the Giants in OT, dubbed the "Greatest Game Ever Played". That was a great game....considered the greatest of all time (at the time)....because it was the first ever NFL game to go into Overtime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin the Martian Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 Ryan Leaf and Jonny Manziel Highly rated and highly drafted busts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, Marvin the Martian said: Ryan Leaf and Jonny Manziel Highly rated and highly drafted busts Well...again I am really looking for guys who you think had overrated NFL careers....not really for guys who were busts coming out of college. Practically every draft since they have been doing drafts has a couple of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 The punky QB known as McMahon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 13 minutes ago, D Bone said: The punky QB known as McMahon. He’s right up there with Namath. More flash and ego then talent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 Broadway Joe rocked. And he does great Medicare Advantage commercials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin the Martian Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 here's a Brown: Mike Phipps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATOM Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 46 minutes ago, Marvin the Martian said: here's a Brown: Mike Phipps maybe that should go down as worst trade ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Marvin the Martian said: here's a Brown: Mike Phipps Again, more in the bust category than the overrated category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 Not on this list but Kordell Stewart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said: Not of this list but Kordell Stewart He was on the list of one of the sites I checked....but my thinking was: No one really thought the guy was all that good anyway.....did they? Thus I did not include him above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBC mike Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 jay cutler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, LBC mike said: jay cutler Well...he was another of those that I didn't think many people thought much of anyway. I mean, whomever waxes poetic or sings the praises about Jay Cutler? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 To me, Randall Cunningham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 hours ago, ballpeen said: To me, Randall Cunningham. Curious: Why so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 12 hours ago, ATOM said: maybe that should go down as worst trade ever Byner for Oliphant. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 Ok, looking at that list at the top, here's what I think... I'm probably in the minority, but I always thought Jim Kelly was over rated. He threw the ball all over the place and got the Bills to 4 straight SBs. Maybe because he pointed fingers at his team mates for SB losses. He forgot he was going against Dallas, Washington, & the NYG- yeah, the NFC East was very good back then. In his era, I thought several AFC QBs were better...Elway, Marino, Moon, Esiason & even Kosar. Kelly padded his stats with a hurry-up, and their defense was real solid with Bruce Smith & Cornelius Bennett, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 Daunte Culpepper... I remember many thought he was the next big thing... He flopped big time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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