Guest mz. Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Methinks the Jets might be in for some sort of Crennelian experience this season. Fuck 'em. Jets don't miss Mangini Posted by Mike Florio on August 16, 2009 11:20 PM ET Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times takes a look at the new sheriff in New York -- first-year Jets coach Rex Ryan. And the praise that players are heaping on Ryan includes some criticism of his predecessor, Eric Mangini. "You can say what you want and speak your mind," safety Kerry Rhodes told Farmer. "I think it's always best if you can do that, because if you don't you can end up holding so much stuff in that at the end of the day it can be combustible. That's how we ended up with the last coach." Offensive lineman Damien Woody, who joined the Jets prior to Mangini's third and final year, was particularly candid about the prior regime. "Here I am 31 years old, I've got my own kids, and I'm married, and here's someone that's not that much older than me -- or whatever the case may be -- telling me what I can and can't do," Woody said "It's so regimented where the game is just not a game anymore. It's not fun. Even when you win it's not fun." Farmer also mentions that the "mantra" uttered throughout Jets camp is that the new coach "treats us like men." Meanwhile, the players on Cleveland's pro football team might be wishing that the Browns had hired Ryan instead of Mangini. via here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Meanwhile, the players on Cleveland's pro football team might be wishing that the Browns had hired Ryan instead of Mangini. I wonder if that was a jab by Florio. You know, despite how we played Saturday night, we still have a pro team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 The Cowboys' players said the same thing when Wade Phillips replaced Parcells. That seems like a better comparison for the Jets' situation than the Browns under Crennel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicopee John Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Methinks the Jets might be in for some sort of Crennelian experience this season. Fuck 'em. via here. And that worries me, mz the pussy. Not only that, the Jets laid down the last couple of games. Media in NY knew his days were numbered because - in big games down the stretch - the team didn't play hard. Not sure if the D got a sack in their last 2 or 3 games. I hope he learned something from his days in NY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gips Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 "Here I am 31 years old, I've got my own kids, and I'm married, and here's someone that's not that much older than me -- or whatever the case may be -- telling me what I can and can't do," Woody said "It's so regimented where the game is just not a game anymore. It's not fun. Even when you win it's not fun." I think its called "work" woody and millions of people do it everyday for a lot less than you make for playing a game... Granted the teams that are having fun are always the teams that are winning...but it has a dark side if the fun comes before it is earned... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky20 Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 When is Goodell going to send both of these guys a letter threatening to fine them if they dont drop 100 pounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AdaM Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 When is Goodell going to send both of these guys a letter threatening to fine them if they dont drop 100 pounds? Reid had 9 links added to that watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dencyguy Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Wow, Ryan is as stacked as Tim Tebow's girlfriend. To the point of the article, it makes some sense to me. There's being professional and organized, and there's micromanaging. It's not written anywhere that you have to micromanage players' lives to get the most out of them. And I don't buy the "after RAC, the players need to be micromanaged" argument. They're football players, not dogs or children. Some coaches can pull of the authoritarian thing (Belichick in New England, Coughlin in New York), while it fails for others (Belichick in Cleveland, Parcells in Dallas). The problem that can easily arise is that if things don't get turned around quickly, by around halfway through next year players should start thinking, "Wait a minute...we're just as bad as we were two years ago, and we should listen to this tool yelling at us...why?" Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 It'll be interesting to see if some of the first year HC's have success with more of a smiley-faced disciplinarian approach. Jim Schwartz is running a really tough training camp, but he made a point of reaching out to every player on the team within 72 hours of being hired (contrast that with the Rogers offseason drama). Spagnuolo's been tough on the Rams, but he's such a personable guy that he seems to have the locker room happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sez.EJ Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 When is Goodell going to send both of these guys a letter threatening to fine them if they dont drop 100 pounds? Mangini could spend a little less time in the chow line himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownIndian Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 well as long as they keep winning they wont miss Mangini, but as soon as they start losing, im sure they wont mind missing Rex Ryan too ... Winning cures all ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 It'll be interesting to see if some of the first year HC's have success with more of a smiley-faced disciplinarian approach. Jim Schwartz is running a really tough training camp, but he made a point of reaching out to every player on the team within 72 hours of being hired (contrast that with the Rogers offseason drama). Spagnuolo's been tough on the Rams, but he's such a personable guy that he seems to have the locker room happy. I just wonder how any version of smiley-faced (either disciplinarian or not) works. Especially when taking into account all of the alpha-male types they're trying to corral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Reid had 9 links added to that watch. And the wedding band is his son's BMX bike wheel (before he could pawn it for smack). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTBH Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 I wonder why 93 players would follow Mangini from the Jets to the Browns if he's THAT bad to play for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damajuki Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 God, I am SO SICK of so-called "professionals" complaining about -- HORROR OF HORRORS! -- BEING ASKED TO DO THEIR JOBS PROPERLY!!! Oh, was the game NOT FUN ENOUGH for you, Damien? Oh, was your BOSS too DEMANDING of you? Did it make you SAD to have to DO THINGS YOUR BOSS'S way? Was that UNCOMFORTABLE for you? Oh, and do you not get paid enough money to play the game THAT'S NOT FUN for you? Because the MONEY isn't enough, it should be FUN too? Well, I'll tell you what, Damien. Why don't you just quit this HORRIBLE "profession" that is NOT FUN ENOUGH for you? Just walk away from the NOT FUN ENOUGH GAME that you PLAY for a living. Go get a real job. They are LOADS of fun. No petty, annoying, micro-managing bosses out there in the work world. No pesky MILLIONS OF DOLLARS that only get in the way of all that FUN you'll be having every day AT WORK. Stupid **$*#$#. Every time I read about a player complaining about Mangini, the more I like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timugen Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 God, I am SO SICK of so-called "professionals" complaining about -- HORROR OF HORRORS! -- BEING ASKED TO DO THEIR JOBS PROPERLY!!! Oh, was the game NOT FUN ENOUGH for you, Damien? Oh, was your BOSS too DEMANDING of you? Did it make you SAD to have to DO THINGS YOUR BOSS'S way? Was that UNCOMFORTABLE for you? Oh, and do you not get paid enough money to play the game THAT'S NOT FUN for you? Because the MONEY isn't enough, it should be FUN too? Well, I'll tell you what, Damien. Why don't you just quit this HORRIBLE "profession" that is NOT FUN ENOUGH for you? Just walk away from the NOT FUN ENOUGH GAME that you PLAY for a living. Go get a real job. They are LOADS of fun. No petty, annoying, micro-managing bosses out there in the work world. No pesky MILLIONS OF DOLLARS that only get in the way of all that FUN you'll be having every day AT WORK. Stupid **$*#$#. Every time I read about a player complaining about Mangini, the more I like him. I wish I could click the "thanks" button a thousand times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NW Ohio Brownie Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 God, I am SO SICK of so-called "professionals" complaining about -- HORROR OF HORRORS! -- BEING ASKED TO DO THEIR JOBS PROPERLY!!! Oh, was the game NOT FUN ENOUGH for you, Damien? Oh, was your BOSS too DEMANDING of you? Did it make you SAD to have to DO THINGS YOUR BOSS'S way? Was that UNCOMFORTABLE for you? Oh, and do you not get paid enough money to play the game THAT'S NOT FUN for you? Because the MONEY isn't enough, it should be FUN too? Well, I'll tell you what, Damien. Why don't you just quit this HORRIBLE "profession" that is NOT FUN ENOUGH for you? Just walk away from the NOT FUN ENOUGH GAME that you PLAY for a living. Go get a real job. They are LOADS of fun. No petty, annoying, micro-managing bosses out there in the work world. No pesky MILLIONS OF DOLLARS that only get in the way of all that FUN you'll be having every day AT WORK. Stupid **$*#$#. Every time I read about a player complaining about Mangini, the more I like him. One thing to add here. When players have to go and get a new contract they talk about their sport being "a job" and how "this is how I make my living" or "I've got to feed my family". But when they feel like they're being treated unfairly all of a sudden it's "this is a game, it should be fun." Bottom line, this is the NY media getting back at Mangini for basically telling them to get bent whenever they sought information from him. I hope those same Jets players and beat writers are having "fun" when Tom Brady throws his fifth TD at the Meadowlands this year. God, I'm sick of this anti-Mangini rhetoric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Athletes are all sissies nowadays. Don't get high blood pressure over it. It's the way it is. It's the way the country is now with all the lazy people who don't want to work or pay their way. Welcome to 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestinPeace Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Athletes are all sissies nowadays. Don't get high blood pressure over it. It's the way it is. It's the way the country is now with all the lazy people who don't want to work or pay their way. Welcome to 2009. Oh come on, that is the point of the economic system the way it is now. Consumption and satisfying carnal/materialistic desires. Automation,outsourcing. All the harder jobs are gone and we outsource the ones we do have, to illegals. You only work hard enough to satisfy the desires to the extint you want those desires satisfied, everybody has different levels. Is it little surprise that out of that lifestyle control came greed,masturbation(which produced a bubble in porn), credit fetishes, rise in overweight people(especially in the poor who can buy cheap food that is bad for your health). Football just followed suit. Crennel's camps were a sign of the times. Mangini is still back during the 1960's when the US was at its height as a producer and we are seeing signs of rebellion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl34 Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Bottom line, this is the NY media getting back at Mangini for basically telling them to get bent whenever they sought information from him. I hope those same Jets players and beat writers are having "fun" when Tom Brady throws his fifth TD at the Meadowlands this year. God, I'm sick of this anti-Mangini rhetoric. I agree entirely. I have to be up front about the fact that I am a Mangini fan but I also know enough about what went on behind the scenes (not a TON mind you...but I saw it with my own eyes and ears) to tell you that the media in NY is so full of crap. It was really eye-opening for me. Nonetheless, I would offer that once I saw the inside...I paid VERY close attention to inaccuracies or agendas in the media. I would cite one example (and I wish I had an exact quote but it was on the radio and I was in my car) of Adam Schein who is a loudmouth on NFL Radio but is also a NY personality on the TV sports channels. He has been all over Mangini from day one. When they were 8-3 last year, he was still quite critical and he seemed (to me) to lead the charge to fire Mangini. I'm not saying he had no right to be critical but I can tell you that in three years of listening to someone...if they bang on the negative and never give him credit...then that's not even-handed and it's suggestive of an agenda. I may not like Tom Brady but when he up and does something impressive, I will give him the respect of saying "that was impressive". I am NOT saying that Eric didn't make some things worse by sticking to his "hush hush" style. That just allowed the media to drive the issue. I also happen to know some people who work at a four-letter network who've opened my eyes to what news is "pushed" and what isn't. Boston or NY always leads. Once you're a favorite...you're a favorite. Once they decide you're out...you're out. You guys probably knew that already though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTBH Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 I love Mangini right now. After a poor day of practice, Mary Kay asked him if it was time in training camp for they players to get a break from the tough practices and something like some sort of comic relief to loosen up the atmosphere... Mangini said the players can watch the tape of practice if they want comic relief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 I love Mangini right now. After a poor day of practice, Mary Kay asked him if it was time in training camp for they players to get a break from the tough practices and something like some sort of comic relief to loosen up the atmosphere... Mangini said the players can watch the tape of practice if they want comic relief. Or watch the Packer game. Awesome response by the coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Some coaches can pull of the authoritarian thing (Belichick in New England, Coughlin in New York), while it fails for others (Belichick in Cleveland, Parcells in Dallas). One thing worth noting is that Coughlin changed his approach during the Giants' Super Bowl season. He created a leadership committee to get feedback from the players, which helped him ease up when necessary and keep the locker room reasonably happy. That said, he still was a dictator, albeit a more benevolent one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffer X Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 One thing worth noting is that Coughlin changed his approach during the Giants' Super Bowl season. He created a leadership committee to get feedback from the players, which helped him ease up when necessary and keep the locker room reasonably happy. That said, he still was a dictator, albeit a more benevolent one. Coughlin is an ahole's ahole IMO. He may have gotten somewhat better over time but I remember living down in Gainseville when he was coaching Jax. He was such a little Patton wannabe that he wouldn't even let his coaches wear sunglasses out in the sun and heat of camp. I just never liked the guy. He was on his way out big time before the Giants turned it around and got it done, but they did have a ton of talent. You can be a strict, hardcore coach without being a dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NW Ohio Brownie Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Well, well, well. I wonder how much fun the J-E-T-S are having tonight? Little bit different playing the Ravens isn't it? Lotta long faces over there on the sidelines. Funny, but they looked like drunken frat guys last week against St. Louis. This week, not so much. Watching Sanchez absolutely shart his pants is enjoyable simply because after one pass last week they think he's Joe freakin' Namath. Love to see how the NY writers take to this story while they're all munchin' on their anti-Mangini sh*tburger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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