The Gipper Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 Perhaps a bit too early for this, given that the FA period does not start for another 31 days. Nevertheless, it shows who is out there and perhaps available, and the conversation about who the Browns could be looking at will start up fairly soon. May as well have a bit of a scorecard: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Kawann Short released today -- worth a one-year flier as a backup? Could be worse at the DT3 spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Here are who Spotrac above list as the Top Ten available FAs: 1. Dak Prescott QB 2. Von Miller OLB Club Option 3. AJ Green WR 4.. Matt Judon OLB 5. JJ Watt DE 6. Leonard Williams DE 7. Kawaan Short DT 8. Melvin Ingram OLB 9. Bud Dupree OLB 10. Shaquil Barrett OLB All I can say is that 8 of the 10 play D and that is a lot of defensive talent any of whom would look nice here. I suspect a few of these could be franchise tagged. And they may all cost a pretty penny which the Browns may not be willing or able cap wise, to fork over. But hell....I wish we could go sign like 3 of these guys. BTW, Olivier Vernon is ranked the 29th top FA there, the highest ranked current Browns player to become a FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runyon27 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 3 hours ago, The Gipper said: Here are who Spotrac above list as the Top Ten available FAs: 1. Dak Prescott QB 2. Von Miller OLB Club Option 3. AJ Green WR 4.. Matt Judon OLB 5. JJ Watt DE 6. Leonard Williams DE 7. Kawaan Short DT 8. Melvin Ingram OLB 9. Bud Dupree OLB 10. Shaquil Barrett OLB All I can say is that 8 of the 10 play D and that is a lot of defensive talent any of whom would look nice here. I suspect a few of these could be franchise tagged. And they may all cost a pretty penny which the Browns may not be willing or able cap wise, to fork over. But hell....I wish we could go sign like 3 of these guys. BTW, Olivier Vernon is ranked the 29th top FA there, the highest ranked current Browns player to become a FA. I would like us to get one of those defensive players if possible. Any of those guys should help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Give me Troy Hill Slot Corner Rams. Let’s resign Money Mitch. Draft a development type DB. Maybe throw a one year incentive based type deal to Vernon Hargreaves who has talent back in his days from UF but hasn’t done much in the league. Of course for those holding out on the Hope maybe Greedy makes an appearance and you call it day for that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Whatever we do, I want us to be smart about it....i am sure we will. Before we go too crazy on free players outside the team, i want to lock a few guys down so they don't become free. Baker Chubb Conklin Treeter maybe hunt. Ward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 28 minutes ago, ballpeen said: Whatever we do, I want us to be smart about it....i am sure we will. Before we go too crazy on free players outside the team, i want to lock a few guys down so they don't become free. Baker Chubb Conklin Treeter maybe hunt. Ward Well Conklin has three years ; Hunt and Tretter has a couple more years. I think you let those play out. I think many here are willing to pay market rate when it happens for Ward- I’m not. He’s here for two more years too. Baker should get an extension within 12 months. Chubb is a year sooner and I don’t balk at all if he wants D Henry type money 4/50. Post 2022. It’s Baker on one side Myles on the other (long term) with role players and maybe some friendly contracts from future draftees. It is a new dawn for Browns football in Salary cap era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 SI article on cap detail - nothing new, just terms defined and detailed examples shown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 On 2/17/2021 at 5:56 PM, SdBacker80 said: Well Conklin has three years ; Hunt and Tretter has a couple more years. I think you let those play out. I think many here are willing to pay market rate when it happens for Ward- I’m not. He’s here for two more years too. Baker should get an extension within 12 months. Chubb is a year sooner and I don’t balk at all if he wants D Henry type money 4/50. Post 2022. It’s Baker on one side Myles on the other (long term) with role players and maybe some friendly contracts from future draftees. It is a new dawn for Browns football in Salary cap era. Conklin signed a 3 year del. We have him this season and next. His, Treeters, and Bitonios contracts expire the same year, 2023....meaning 22 is their last season here under contract.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 Updating list of cap casualties around NFL during 2021 offseason https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/21/updating-list-of-cap-casualties-around-nfl-during-2021-offseason-free-agency-packers/ Atlanta Falcons S Ricardo Allen DL Allen Bailey Baltimore Ravens RB Mark Ingram Buffalo Bills CB E.J. Gaines Carolina Panthers DL Kawann Short S Tre Boston P Michael Palardy DE Stephen Weatherly Denver Broncos CB A.J. Bouye DL Kyle Peko Green Bay Packers LB Christian Kirksey OT Rick Wagner Houston Texans DL J.J. Watt New Orleans Saints G Nick Easton Philadelphia Eagles WR Desean Jackson Seattle Seahawks OL Chance Warmack TE Luke Willson List will update as more players around the NFL are released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 23, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 Franchise tag not necessary for the Browns to use this year. To paraphrase Wayne's World: No one's worthy: https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-teams-now-franchise-tag-130419855.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted February 27, 2021 Report Share Posted February 27, 2021 Rashard Higgins hopes to re-sign with Browns before hitting the market, ‘but I haven’t seen an offer yet’ https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2021/02/rashard-higgins-hopes-to-re-sign-with-the-browns-before-hitting-the-market-but-i-havent-seen-an-offer-yet.html A source told cleveland.com that the Browns would like to have Higgins back, but at the right price. According to spotrac.com, his market value is about four years, $24.75 million — an average of more than $6 million a year — which might be more than the Browns want to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 27, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2021 Texans release Duke Johnson: https://sports.yahoo.com/report-texans-release-rb-duke-185550033.html I didn't think he had deteriorated much as a player. Houston also released their starting center: Nick Martin: https://sports.yahoo.com/texans-cut-center-nick-martin-222103262.html It also looks like Houston is going to let Will Fuller go as a Free Agent: https://sports.yahoo.com/texans-allow-wr-fuller-test-160837473.html So, what are they doing over there? I had not heard that they were such dire cap straits that they needed to dump salary. Or are they just in complete housecleaning mode? If they are doing this....may as well get rid of Watson for all the picks they can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted February 27, 2021 Report Share Posted February 27, 2021 11 hours ago, Vambo said: Rashard Higgins hopes to re-sign with Browns before hitting the market, ‘but I haven’t seen an offer yet’ According to spotrac.com, his market value is about four years, $24.75 million — an average of more than $6 million a year — which might be more than the Browns want to pay? *They have more than $30 million tied up in 2021 in Odell Beckham Jr. ($15.75 million) and Jarvis Landry ($14.753 million), and might not want the receiver room taking up more than 20% of the anticipated $185 million cap. (6M on a WR3? 🤔) *Higgins is a FA.... However, the Browns may want to restructure Landry's contract to free up dollars for the long list of free agents they are faced with.The restructuring would amount to mathematics and money shuffling, not a pay cut, and possibly adding another year to Landry's deal. Extending Joel Bitonio a year, in same fashion as above^^ won't hurt my feelings... stay tuned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted February 27, 2021 Report Share Posted February 27, 2021 More justification for resigning Higgins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted February 27, 2021 Report Share Posted February 27, 2021 9 hours ago, gumby73 said: *They have more than $30 million tied up in 2021 in Odell Beckham Jr. ($15.75 million) and Jarvis Landry ($14.753 million), and might not want the receiver room taking up more than 20% of the anticipated $185 million cap. (6M on a WR3? 🤔) *Higgins is a FA.... However, the Browns may want to restructure Landry's contract to free up dollars for the long list of free agents they are faced with.The restructuring would amount to mathematics and money shuffling, not a pay cut, and possibly adding another year to Landry's deal. Extending Joel Bitonio a year, in same fashion as above^^ won't hurt my feelings... stay tuned Joel is under contract for 2021 and 2022 at a great number 10m per. He’s getting older I don’t see the need to extend. Next draft we may be drafting his replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 27, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2021 15 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said: Joel is under contract for 2021 and 2022 at a great number 10m per. He’s getting older I don’t see the need to extend. Next draft we may be drafting his replacement. He has only been here for 7 years....that is by no means "old" when it comes to offensive linemen where some very good ones have like 15 year careers. I mean, look at these guys: 36 Ray Brown G ^ 1986–2005 262 67 Ed White G 1969–1985 241 133 Will Shields* G 1993–2006 224 147 Max Montoya G 1979–1994 223 150 Randall McDaniel* G 1988–2001 222 172 Gene Upshaw* G 1967–1981 217 191 Kevin Gogan G 1987–2000 213 233 Chris Gray G 1993–2007 208 243 Randy Rasmussen G 1967–1981 207 256 Steve Wisniewski G 1989–2001 206 256 Alan Faneca G 1998–2010 206 256 Roberto Garza G, C 2001–2014 206 282 Doug Wilkerson G 1970–1984 204 290 Larry Allen* G 1994–2007 203 301 Gene Hickerson* G 1958–1973 202 301 Joe Scibelli G 1961–1975 202 Bitonio has played in just 95 games in his career so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 Also, it has been at least like 5 days since teams have had the ability to apply one of the various "Tags", yet I see where nothing has happened on that front. Is it a matter of A. Teams waiting on the salary cap number decision B. Teams still trying to negotiate extensions with players C. Just giving it more time since that deadline is still a bit away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted February 28, 2021 Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 25 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Also, it has been at least like 5 days since teams have had the ability to apply one of the various "Tags", yet I see where nothing has happened on that front. Is it a matter of A. Teams waiting on the salary cap number decision B. Teams still trying to negotiate extensions with players C. Just giving it more time since that deadline is still a bit away? Or D. Teams do not need to use it. (See Browns and I’m sure some others) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 2 hours ago, SdBacker80 said: Or D. Teams do not need to use it. (See Browns and I’m sure some others) Sure. I am curious as to, historically, what percentage of teams on average have used one of the tags in any given year. I suspect maybe only 50%? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted February 28, 2021 Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 Higgins is a guy that many of us wanted to see this past season. And we DID get to see a lot of him. During a game, Chris Collinsworth said that He's not fast, doesn't run particularly good routes, but he has a chemistry with Mayfield. I don't get to see much of his route running from my seat on the couch. But like I've always said about him, He catches it when you throw it to him. The coaches ALWAYS had glowing things to say about him, his work ethic, his attitude. But for the first half of the season it was borderline whether he'd be 'up' for the game. It was always Kadrell Hodge. Obviously, losing OBJ got Higgins more involved. And then Hodge got hurt so Higgins became a valued commodity. So, here's my opinion: Higgins does whatever you tell him, has a good team attitude, catches the ball....He's not fast nor particularly shifty. I think they'd like to keep him but they're not going to pay him too much. And since we had 12 wins including a playoff win, someone is going to offer him more than we think he's worth...and so now we don't have to decide who's 'up'....it'll be Hodge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 Surprised to see no mention of this article... https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-nfl-free-agency-browns-interested-in-lavonte-david-and-breshad-perriman-per-report/ Love David... sign one, daft one... Perriman? Big and fast, but has underachieved everywhere he's been... including with us in 2018. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 17 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Surprised to see no mention of this article... https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-nfl-free-agency-browns-interested-in-lavonte-david-and-breshad-perriman-per-report/ Love David... sign one, daft one... Perriman? Big and fast, but has underachieved everywhere he's been... including with us in 2018. Baker makes Perriman look good... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Tour2ma said: Surprised to see no mention of this article... https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-nfl-free-agency-browns-interested-in-lavonte-david-and-breshad-perriman-per-report/ Love David... sign one, daft one... Perriman? Big and fast, but has underachieved everywhere he's been... including with us in 2018. The interest in Lavonte David has been mentioned on this forum, a few times. Not certain where this guy has had his stuck...but I have a pretty good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 LB Kyle Van Now to be traded or released by Dolphins ... Better than anyone we have at the position. Zombo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Zombo said: Kyle Van Now Is he related to Kyle van Noy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 4, 2021 Report Share Posted March 4, 2021 FWIW, Greg Rosenthal's FA rankings, a lengthy list... https://www.nfl.com/news/top-101-nfl-free-agents-of-2021-who-are-the-best-players-available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2021 Kyle Van Now Is he related to Kyle van Noy? No longer, apparently. By the way, the deadline for applying the franchise tag is Tuesday at 4:00 pm. No movement there by any team yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2021 Any interest in Desmond Trufant who may soon be released by the Lions? https://sports.yahoo.com/detroit-lions-reportedly-release-cb-185138255.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 18 hours ago, hoorta said: FWIW, Greg Rosenthal's FA rankings, a lengthy list... https://www.nfl.com/news/top-101-nfl-free-agents-of-2021-who-are-the-best-players-available Lot of Edge and Safeties in that list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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