LondonBrown Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 Former Eagle on his way to replace Larry O? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBC mike Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 upgrade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 Jackson seems nice -- no terms released yet. He is unexpectedly good - definitely better than ogun/elliot/taylor but a step below Richardson and Billings. For those keeping track at home, DI at present is Richardson/Billings starting with Jackson/Elliot rotating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 31 minutes ago, Unsympathetic said: Jackson seems nice -- no terms released yet. He is unexpectedly good - definitely better than ogun/elliot/taylor but a step below Richardson and Billings. For those keeping track at home, DI at present is Richardson/Billings starting with Jackson/Elliot rotating. Seems you have a high opinion of Billings. I see him as #4 right now. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 33 minutes ago, Zombo said: Seems you have a high opinion of Billings. I see him as #4 right now. Z Billings is a day 1 starter and easily our best nose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 I’d like to get DT with some pass rush skills in this draft. Jaylen Twyman 3rd round perhaps but I like the depth we have now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Billings is a day 1 starter and easily our best nose. I see him getting 4th most snaps. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Billings is a day 1 starter and easily our best nose. Yeah, I think Billings is an upgrade over Ogunjobi, and very well could have taken his starting job in 2020 if he had played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 Let's see.... Could the Browns use a 25/30 snap, rotational interior defensive beast from that nasty Eagles defensive line? Bob the Builder has nothing on Berry the brilliant builder 🤓.. Welcome in Malik Jackson !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 He was one of the very best DLs on the Denver SB winning team. This is an excellent addition if he plays close to that level still. Inside pressure and excellent run stopper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 8 hours ago, tiamat63 said: Billings is a day 1 starter and easily our best nose. I hope so. I know we had high expectations when we signed him. Has anybody seen the guy...meaning coaches etc.? My fear is it isn't hard for a guy like that to gain weight if he isn't active. It's easy to keep consuming 4000 calories a day, but if he isn't burning 2000 a day with exercise he could show up for camp weighing 360 lbs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 More about Andrew Billings Long interview w Akron Beacon-Journal from February. "I've never seen a big man move like he does" - trainer. Sure, in-season shape is different but he's definitely keeping after it while away from team facilities. TLDR - He'll be ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 11 hours ago, Zombo said: I see him getting 4th most snaps. Z Neat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren15 Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 Would not surprise me to see Berry trade Sheldon Richardson ..... or at least restructure his $12m salary that is due. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, darren15 said: Would not surprise me to see Berry trade Sheldon Richardson ..... or at least restructure his $12m salary that is due. this season, I think that trade would be like one step forward, two steps back - except you could be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 There is No reason to move Richardson. He is situated here and has a season under his belt in Woods system. He’s one of our only vets. We have no cap issues as we’ve covered our needs and have 8 picks coming. Moving on from him and finding an equal replacement given the circumstances doesn’t move the needle. Woods expects an awful lot out of his Dline. We need fresh bodies there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver slayer Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 An actual extension for Richardson is what I see, he's actually been the anchor for our rebuilding efforts and to let him go would be a mistake imo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 4 hours ago, darren15 said: Would not surprise me to see Berry trade Sheldon Richardson not a good idea, he's by far our best DI.. he was deservedly the #13 overall pick his draft year and everyone else was.. later. Elliot has been very underwhelming, Malik is a decent rotation piece but rotation-level and only for the lesser playcount of a rotational player [ask him to do more and he wears down], Billings is solid [#11 DI free agent after 2019, fun 2016 draft rankings.. check out #100] but best thought of as a run-stuffer. We could rotate Richardson out to DE to spell Myles and/or Takk if there's not as much confidence in the DE depth.. Sheldon's endurance is pretty great, and he played the DE spot at NYJ. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 Well maybe we add Bama's Christian Barmore to the mix as our 1st round pick. Now that there is a player. He may still be there as BPA if we are lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 Jackson's been in the 40's for tackles yearly, more often than not. That's in line with Ogunjobi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zombo Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 7 hours ago, tiamat63 said: Neat. You just strike me as ... not smart. And a bit of a limited vocabulary. Zombo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Zombo said: You just strike me as ... not smart. And a bit of a limited vocabulary. Zombo Mea Culpa Your curious foresight at Billings snap count seemed to lack the educational component that I prefer seeing my colleagues football opinions based upon before posting. Ergo, I gave you a snide, yet mostly dismissive response. If I were to put in the time to give the reasoning behind the numbers I would compile, I don't presume you would offer me that same courtesy in a good faith debate. Nope, not intelligent or articulate at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 33 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Mea Culpa Your curious foresight at Billings snap count seemed to lack the educational component that I prefer seeing my colleagues football opinions based upon before posting. Ergo, I gave you a snide, yet mostly dismissive response. If I were to put in the time to give the reasoning behind the numbers I would compile, I don't presume you would offer me that same courtesy in a good faith debate. Nope, not intelligent or articulate at tall. Well, I wouldn't want you to put in any time or "compile numbers" on the topic of Billings' snap count, Lord knows you are a busy guy coming up with your important takes, and despite your poor grammar, you do know some big words, so, I'll elaborate on why BIllings will be a backup on my annual depth chart released tomorrow: Richardson is our best, most important and highest paid DT ... and he'll be the the three technique guy. Malik Jackson, if it is shown that he has completely returned from the Lis Franc, will be a key contributer, he's our second most talented guy and will often be alongside Richardson, especially on passing downs. Billings, despite everyone thinking he was some hot shit free agent last year, was just a depth pick up on a one-year $3.5 Million contract (Jackson being paid a million more) , and while the best "nose", I see using him mostly only on first downs, and then replacing him with the faster guys that can get after the QB. He's a run clogger, but not an every down guy. That leaves Elliot, who, while not impressing last year, did get some experience in the system, and, most importantly, is a draft pick of this front office and under a long term contract. So he is part of the future and will be given every chance to develop and take on a bigger role. Jackson and Billings are stopgaps on one year contracts, Richardson is a free agent next year ... Elliot is the only one who will be on the team next year and they'll probably be drafting his running mate in April, or they'll be digging deep for a free agent DT next year. Zombo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 13 minutes ago, Zombo said: Billings, despite everyone thinking he was some hot shit free agent last year, was just a depth pick up on a one-year $3.5 Million contract (Jackson being paid a million more) , and while the best "nose", I see using him mostly only on first downs, and then replacing him with the faster guys that can get after the QB. He's a run clogger, but not an every down guy. So the guy coming in on 1st, 2nd and short yardage downs will get less snaps then the guys coming in on 3rd and obvious passing situations? Fact is Billings almost exclusively has that 1gap plugger role on this team, Malik being a pitch count distant 2nd AND health dependent per you. Doesn't bode well for the snap count. edit: Billings is also 25 and as we've seen, this front office is particularly fond of these younger role players with some upside. Billings, provided he builds on the good showing in Cincy, might be sticking around longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 minute ago, tiamat63 said: So the guy coming in on 1st, 2nd and short yardage downs will get less snaps then the guys coming in on 3rd and obvious passing situations? Fact is Billings almost exclusively has that 1gap plugger role on this team, Malik being a pitch count distant 2nd AND health dependent per you. Doesn't bode well for the snap count. Well, you just handed him second down when I said only first. We will be in stop the pass, get the quarterback, mode more than stuff the run mode, which is the reality of the NFL now, and why we will mostly be in a 4-2-5, and why we are dumping dough into our secondary. I see Jackson on the field more, and if Elliot takes a huge step then he can keep them both off the field. But I'll guess we'll see. Didn't mean to make it a whole thing. But, we're Super Bowl contenders now, and I don't see having Billings in there as a rotational guy is any kind of great news, but folks seem to be talking themselves into thinking he's something that he's not. You can go back to being dismissive, thats fine, I don't think I have another Andrew (Is it Andrew?) Billings post in me. Z 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 3 hours ago, tiamat63 said: Mea Culpa Your curious foresight at Billings snap count seemed to lack the educational component that I prefer seeing my colleagues football opinions based upon before posting. Ergo, I gave you a snide, yet mostly dismissive response. If I were to put in the time to give the reasoning behind the numbers I would compile, I don't presume you would offer me that same courtesy in a good faith debate. Nope, not intelligent or articulate at all. "Your colleagues"? We are your colleagues, aren't we? Browns fans on the Browns Board. If you don't think we are your colleagues then who, pray tell do you consider to be your "colleagues". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 3 hours ago, Zombo said: Well, you just handed him second down when I said only first. We will be in stop the pass, get the quarterback, mode more than stuff the run mode, which is the reality of the NFL now, and why we will mostly be in a 4-2-5, and why we are dumping dough into our secondary. I see Jackson on the field more, and if Elliot takes a huge step then he can keep them both off the field. But I'll guess we'll see. Didn't mean to make it a whole thing. But, we're Super Bowl contenders now, and I don't see having Billings in there as a rotational guy is any kind of great news, but folks seem to be talking themselves into thinking he's something that he's not. You can go back to being dismissive, thats fine, I don't think I have another Andrew (Is it Andrew?) Billings post in me. Z I think it is now a 50/50 proposition that we could be taking an interior Defensive lineman with our first round pick. What that does for Billings/Elliot/Jackson and their playing time, I don't know. Vastly reduce it for someone I wager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 1 hour ago, The Gipper said: We are your colleagues, aren't we? Yes, I was referring to posters on TBB as colleagues. No, I do not include you in that list. 4 hours ago, Zombo said: Well, you just handed him second down when I said only first. We will be in stop the pass, get the quarterback, mode more than stuff the run mode, which is the reality of the NFL now, and why we will mostly be in a 4-2-5, and why we are dumping dough into our secondary. I see Jackson on the field more, and if Elliot takes a huge step then he can keep them both off the field. But I'll guess we'll see. Didn't mean to make it a whole thing. But, we're Super Bowl contenders now, and I don't see having Billings in there as a rotational guy is any kind of great news, but folks seem to be talking themselves into thinking he's something that he's not. You can go back to being dismissive, thats fine, I don't think I have another Andrew (Is it Andrew?) Billings post in me. Z Not sure if you've missed the last 15 years, but the majority of teams run nickel and dime 65+% of the time. In order to combat the offensive speed, we saw defenses shift to more MOFC looks (single high) when C3 and C1 became all the rage, sprinkle in your flavor of quarters if you like (here and there). Then, to prevent matchup issues with bigger bodies like LB's or smaller bodies like nickel CB's - NFL offices and coaches started looking for plus size safeties who couldn't cut it playing on a hash consistently. Giving them the flexibility of being physical and quick enough to run with TE's and interior receivers, but big enough to play down low and not get blown off the ball or boxed out on assignment. Offenses adjusted by spreading for power. Which is why you saw so many bigger backs wear down defenses - Gore, Beast Mode, AP, Matt Forte, Arian Foster... etc etc. So having beef on the DI is crucial. I need at least one good body to anchor because there are times I'm going to have to play lighter box counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 46 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Yes, I was referring to posters on TBB as colleagues. No, I do not include you in that list. Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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